The Resilience of Spirit: Pam Sherman's Journey from Accident to Fitness Triumph

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All right and we're back.

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This is Life Changing Challengers.

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My name is Brad Miners, I'm your host today and I am delighted and so honored to have Pam Sherman with us.

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She's an author, she's a speaker, she's a coach.

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She's a seven times author, to include books such as 21 Days to a Leaner you your Health is your Wealth.

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Rules for Weight Loss, Nutrition for Athletes that's one I want to pick up.

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How to avoid the freshman 15.

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Now, that's a little that takes a little vibe off the other end the Daily 3M Journal, the perfect balance plan and workbook.

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She has been a personal trainer for over 27 years.

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She's a coach.

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She's a speaker on the Fit app radio or Fit radio app, Sorry.

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She's a speaker on the Fit Radio app and she strives to help women lose weight, gain confidence and move toward a lifelong wellness.

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Pam, thank you for being here.

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I'm so honored to have you here.

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How are you today?

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I'm so excited.

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I was telling my husband I'm in his office right now like I gotta go in.

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I'm talking to Brad.

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It's going to be a great interview.

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We have so much in common because I used to be an endurance runner and that's what you coach.

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Not anymore but I was, and, like I know, we have to keep it to a certain time, but we could talk for a long time, brad.

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Oh, I am, yes, I.

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That's definitely a part in the cards for to figure out a different topic and talk again, but I really want to get into you right, your story.

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And then there was a little bit of a.

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You had a kind of a traumatic thing that happened to you and you came back from it, which is what this podcast is really all about.

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So what?

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So let's talk about you first and give us a little background of where you grew up and what was a compliment of your household and your environment.

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Sure, my family group.

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I moved a lot growing up.

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I have two older brothers.

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They're six and seven years older than me.

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I lived on the East Coast when I was born.

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We moved to the San Francisco Bay Area as a five-year-old.

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So five to ten were very formative years because in the 70s parents actually didn't care where you were, they just kicked you out of the house.

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So I was with my older brothers a lot because they had to watch after me and they were very athletic.

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So I grew up throwing a football, playing baseball, doing all the tag Everything that the kids don't do now.

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We did back then.

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We just played all day long and that was.

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I guess I was a tomboy because I had two older brothers.

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And then when I was in fifth grade we moved to Connecticut and my dad was actually an amazing runner.

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In college His four by four team almost made it to the Olympic trials and he was a recreational runner before.

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It was cool, before they had one running shoe back in the seventies and a little girl wanted to be like her dad.

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One day I said can I go for a run with you?

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And he was like sure, now in Connecticut he was very nice, brad.

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He took me to a high school track because Connecticut is so hilly.

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I ran two miles without stopping and thought it was the greatest thing in the world.

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It was just like that clicked for me.

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As a kid I would run a couple days a week because I just loved it.

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And then in high school I did cross country and track Very mediocre, but that's where I met my best friends, who I still love to this day.

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And in college I went to the Ohio State University.

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Yes, my friends and I were not good enough to run at a Big Ten school so we thought might as well run the Columbus Marathon every year because we loved running together.

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So that was a tradition.

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We started and we did for eight or nine years Along the way.

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I qualified for Boston.

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I ran Boston.

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Once I ran a Buffalo Marathon I have a brother in Buffalo Did a couple Sacramento, because that's where I live now, and then eventually I did enough marathons.

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I did everything I wanted to do and transitioned to half marathons, which by mile 10, you're like there's only three miles left.

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It was great, yeah.

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I get that there's only three miles left.

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It was great.

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Yeah, I get that.

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It was great.

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And then my girlfriends and I found a race in San Francisco called the Hot Chocolate Run, which was gorgeous.

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Starts in Golden Gate Park, goes along the ocean for four miles, ends up there.

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It's 9.3, which was like a nice distance, because less than 10, it doesn't take your whole day to train.

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It was great.

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So I transitioned to that before my life-changing accident happened.

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So I grew up very athletic.

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When I moved to California as an adult after college, my first roommate was a group exercise instructor, and she's Pam.

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You love to work out.

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Why don't you become certified?

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There was a 18-week course at the local junior college on how to be a group exercise instructor, so it literally fell into my lap.

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And then I thought I'm thinking some of the ladies who take my class might want to be trained.

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I should get my personal training certification as well.

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And I got that a couple months later.

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And then my career was born Wow.

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So it's so interesting, because most personal trainers don't last that long 24 years.

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It usually starts out as a something to do, to go somewhere else, to go into conditioning and strength at a college or something like that.

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They start there, but you have maintained this and you've grown by reading books and honing in on your audience, which is fantastic.

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So you mentioned the accident, and that's one of the real big things that I want to go over today.

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So why don't you tell me about the activities leading up to the accident and then we can start talking about how you were able to react?

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Sure, I transitioned as a trainer.

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It was interesting because when my kids were I have two kids, adult kids when they were little I had to do personal training in a gym.

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Once I went to school full time I'm like I had six hours I could actually go to women's houses.

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I started being a running coach because a lot of my friends want to run half marathons.

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I know how to do that.

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I was very good Not, I was very good for my age group, so I was able to do that.

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I helped a gal qualify for Boston.

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I'm like I know how to do this.

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And so my career changed and that turned into food coaching, because women, they want to lose weight and it is never about the exercise, ever.

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I was my heaviest as a marathon runner Heaviest because it was the 80s.

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We didn't know anything about food in college.

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You join 20 miles, you have some pizza.

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We didn't know, we didn't know, but I had said I had transitioned.

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My accident happened in December when I was training for that hot chocolate run, which was a lovely run to train for and, brad, you see I'm in workout clothes now.

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I'm a morning exerciser.

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That's what I like to do, but that day my husband and I went to the mall to finish our kids' Christmas shopping.

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We went out to lunch, we saw a movie and I live in California so I have nice weather most of the year.

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I headed out for a run, an easy, flat seven-mile run, which would actually kill me now, but at the time I was in really good shape.

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At 3 o'clock in the afternoon it was 50 degrees.

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It was no wind.

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In the afternoon it was 50 degrees, it was no wind.

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Checked my Garmin, I was at 815 at mile two.

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I'm like great If I can just hold this.

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It was a beautiful day until I was at a shopping mall and a pizza delivery guy looked left no cars were coming left and sped out of the parking lot.

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I was on his right and I put my hand out and I screamed.

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And because I screamed I, face planted into the windshield, left a tooth there.

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And then your brain takes really good care of you because I remember screaming.

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And then I woke up on the road rolling and luckily it was a Sunday, there was not a lot of cars out, so there was no car in that far lane, luckily for me.

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And then I saw the car drive away and he did pull back around.

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I'm sure he was very startled.

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And then really your preservation instinct just kicks in because I knew I had to get to safety, so I'd crawled back to the curb my kids have played soccer forever and there was so much concussion talk Like you probably shouldn to get to safety, so I'd crawled to the back to the curb my kids have played soccer forever and there was so much concussion talk like you probably shouldn't stand up, probably should just crawl, crawled back to the sidewalk, and that was so much blood because I lost a bunch of teeth and waited for help.

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I can't even imagine, but it's interesting that you mentioned the survival instinct and that you were able to use the knowledge that you had, because I don't know you think about it.

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No, it's intrinsic.

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Like your bodies, get to safety.

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It wasn't a conscious thought, it was start crawling.

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It wasn't even assessing.

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Once I got to the curb I was leaning over and bleeding.

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But it's primal.

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I believe all of us have a primal instinct to survive and that's really what took over.

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Yeah, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

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So tell me about when you got there.

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Now, what was?

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We already said what was going through your mind, but what was?

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What did you feel like when you were lying?

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What was hurting, what was going on?

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Really I was in shock.

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Obviously my mouth hurt, but nothing else hurt In fact when they put me in the ambulance.

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I remember doing this.

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I've had an ankle injury and I'm rolling my feet.

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I'm like I don't think I broke any bones.

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I know I'm in shock, but I felt pretty good.

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The ambulance gal who's in there with me, she looked at me.

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She goes oh my God, you're my worst nightmare, because she knew how long it would take to put teeth back in my head.

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But because she knew how long it would take to put teeth back in my head.

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But I was like I'm okay, then I go, I'm in the trauma and my nurse he has a big guy with a big belly he goes.

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You are the reason I don't run.

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It is unsafe, like dude, that's not a good reason not to run.

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But I didn't break any bones.

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I had a little brain bleed that night.

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That cleared up the next day and I was discharged the next day.

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Okay, that is amazing, because I was expecting a little bit more.

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I want that to happen to you.

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I definitely did, but I can imagine that the mouth pain is like some of the worst, right, because it's not something that you can, it's not something that is you forget.

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Push up to the side, so it's always there, right?

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Yeah, I had stitches in my lip and my discharge papers were get your stitches taken out in five days and I was like that's it, Sorry.

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And I did have a CT scan follow-up for two years every six months to make sure that there was nothing wrong with my brain, but I was like all right and it was my.

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Obviously my mouth was very tender, so I didn't eat solid food for three months, but I had started strength training two years before yeah, two years before the accident and I am convinced my strong muscles protected my bones and my Garmin got smashed to pieces.

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So I'm very thankful I had a big watch on, or else that probably would have been my wrist that hit the ground first.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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Yeah.

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But my injuries were very minor compared to what could have happened.

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Hallelujah, Wow, Somebody was looking down on you and that's a testament.

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But that's fantastic.

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Just I'm just curious now.

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So how far was it to finally get to see a dentist and you're able to get rid and take care of the rest of the injuries?

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Yeah, so on that would happen on a Saturday, I was released, got home Sunday, monday I was at the dentist's office and they were taking molds of my mouth, which was awful because my teeth were so tender, but they had to do cement molds to see what's going.

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On Monday, tuesday, I went to a periodontist because three of the four of my front teeth were gone.

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Actually, they were out by the root.

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The fireman found them in the street for me.

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I know it's so gross because people don't even like to get their teeth clean, but I'm like because in my mind they're like they might be able to put the teeth back in.

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They didn't, but one of my front teeth was pushed back a little bit.

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So I saw a periodontist on Tuesday and he pulled that out, which felt amazing because it was hitting my bottom teeth, and he's like okay, so we are not going to know what we can do with you for three months because you might have other teeth fall out.

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We're going to do a 360 x-ray, which is a school machine that goes all the way around your head, and after that happens we'll be able to make a game plan.

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So it was just hanging out and waiting.

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I did have one.

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I lost six teeth total.

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I had one lower tooth that ended up being loose and he had to pull that, but six teeth it was really.

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I look back and I'm like that accident happened for me, because my life is so much richer since that accident.

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But six teeth.

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And then I do have an amazing sports guy who I've been going to since I was running marathons in when I was 40.

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I walked into him on Wednesday to his office he's Pam and I told him he's okay.

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I want you in every two weeks to do spinal adjustments.

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And then, once we got the police report, I brought that to him.

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He's okay.

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Now I know the trajectory of how you hit.

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I'll be able to help you.

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I have zero pain.

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I have it's really incredible, yeah, so that's definitely a testament to strength training and and continuing to work with I'm imagining the sports guy is not is also a chiropractor chiropractor, somatic healer, physical therapist I have different degrees, so he was very obviously very gentle, but he knew that kind of and he said your strong body protected your bones.

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You are a testament to what it means to stay in shape.

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He was very clear.

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He's most people would not be in the situation that you are in which.

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Thank you, yeah.

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For lifelong fitness.

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Thank you for lifelong fitness Really.

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And that's absolutely a 100% true.

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I have been in a couple of bike accidents, nothing like what you were in and I think it was.

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I literally, I think I walked away literally because of the strength training, because of all of the biking, the swimming, the running that I've done myself and also and you tell me, but it seems like also the rate at which we heal because of the strength, because of the extra added fibers that protect the bones, the extra tendons and the fascia.

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It allows for a little bit of more rapid healing along with that protection.

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I was running.

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Six weeks later.

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I was Six weeks, yeah, and it turned me.

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Brad, you're going to laugh at this.

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I used to be a running snob.

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Once you're in a marathon, like why bother if it's less than three or four miles?

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Literally I was so happy to run a mile that I totally changed my tune.

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Like literally every minute you spend on yourself and your health is worth it.

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It could be one minute, could be five minutes, it could be 10 minutes.

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I was like I'm a terrible person because I used to think it's not worth it unless it's a 30 minutes or whatever.

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Holy crap, one mile is amazing.

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When you have literally not run for six weeks or whenever.

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Like even a half mile, it's a hundred percent worth it.

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I agree with that, and for certain, for general health, for general health.

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Yes, I agree I totally agree.

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You get to a point sometimes in your fitness where your previous, your previous opinion I agree with.

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For me, okay, so I'm in the military for Ironman and like I don't even warm up until the second month, I'm not even warming up until the second month, but that's the level of fitness I'm at.

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But for the psychology I think that you're 100% right.

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I hate doing this about me, but just to give people background, because I have not done an episode on myself, but I spent eight years and all I did was help people go from zero to 5K Eight weeks long.

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It was an eight-week course and it literally was started out with three minutes of running.

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Yep, that's it.

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And that's a lot for some people.

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A conversational pace and I'm constantly telling them if you can't talk, you are going too fast.

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So you're talking like 16, 17, 18 minute miles and I'm like I don't care, I don't care, I don't care.

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And these people and they came across the finish line of a 5k that first time, and sometimes it's 45 minutes, 50 minutes and they're so excited.

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Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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I'm sure you've got results like that as well and in some of the coaching that you've done.

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It's, it's been.

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It's so rewarding when you have helped somebody break through what they thought they could not do.

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I remember seeing a friend of mine on the treadmill and she's telling me she's running a half marathon, but she was walking, like, why are you walking?

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She goes oh, because I'm going to run the first two, walk the middle, and then right at the end I'm like no, absolutely not you.

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I'm like, no, absolutely not.

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You can run, walk, but you don't just walk that middle.

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And she was like what do you mean?

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And she literally blew my mind because I didn't know I was capable of doing that.

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I see what people can do and it blows their minds and when they do it they're like how did you know?

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If you're a mother, you've had a baby, you're very strong.

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Don't limit yourself.

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Stop it.

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That's one of the most, that's probably the most beneficial message that we can get that we can tell people.

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It's amazing what people they don't realize that they can do.

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Yeah, one of my biggest quotes is your mind will quit a hundred times before your body will, and that's it.

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People just feel like, oh, can't go any further.

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And I'm like, yes, you can keep going.

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So where, at what point, did you transition into more of diet and strength in your business than simply strength Personal training, I should say my daughter was still in high school and I would sit at the table with her and I actually I met with a woman.

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I'm like I think I have a lot to say.

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Would you help me create a website?

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I want to do a weekly newsletter.

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And she said, sure, when people sign up you should send them something.

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So I started writing, writing and I sent her.

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She's like this is a book.

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We can self-publish this on Amazon.

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I'm like what do you mean she goes?

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Pam, give me like 10 more pages.

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It's perfect balance.

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My first book really basic stuff sleep, good eating, exercise.

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Nothing I say is rocket science.

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Then I started training my daughter.

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I'm sorry to interrupt you.

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Which book was that?

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What was the first one?

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The Perfect Guide to Healthy Living.

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Oh, excellent.

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Then I started training my daughter's soccer team in high school and they ate absolute garbage.

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So I wrote Nutrition for Athletes for high school kids.

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They would tell me they're eating at Taco Bell.

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I'm like that's food you rent.

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It doesn't even do anything for your body.

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So I wrote very easy.

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And they were high level soccer players.

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You actually have to think about what you eat.

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So I wrote that for them.

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Women always want to lose weight, so guide to weight loss.

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And then one of my friends.

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She said she was worried about her daughter.

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Her daughter said she was worried about gaining weight in college and I'm like, oh, I gained 35 pounds my first year.

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I will write how to avoid the freshman 15 because I did everything wrong.

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So the books happened organically while I was out of work, while I was recovering and getting my teeth put back in my head because I literally had nothing else to do.

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I wasn't working for the first time in my life and I had all sorts of time.

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So it was very easy and fun to do.

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And Amazon's great because you can self-publish right on Amazon.

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Yeah, fda, amazon.

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So you didn't find that daunting at all.

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Like I'm putting out these books, like people find that very daunting, but when I write a book, I'm going to publish it.

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My website gal had published on Amazon before, so I sent all my work to her.

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She made a cover, she made it look pretty, she knew what to do, and it's great because you don't pay anything out of pocket.

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People can just buy it.

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And because I've been doing this my whole life, brad, really my whole life, I've been doing this.

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I was a coach before I knew I was a coach.

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It was very easy to write.

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I have content coming out of my ears really.

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No, I hear you, I hear you, but you know what?

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Even me?

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I've been doing this.

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I'm not doing it as long as you.

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I've been coaching for 13 years and I feel like I've got all that stuff, but I feel like it's daunting and I think you just inspired me because I've got the same thing.

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So where did your health is your wealth come from?

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So after the accident I had so many people say I can't believe you're so positive, I can't.

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And I'm like I didn't die, my whole tagline.

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I figured it is better than being dead, because if there was a car in that other lane they would have run me over literally.

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But when I got hit obviously before COVID and I wish there was no mask you couldn't wear a mask back then, so I had to walk around like this for a while when I was at Starbucks or something like your health actually is your greatest wealth.

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If I was not in great shape, my recovery would have been awful.

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It would have taken so much longer.

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It would have been a lot more than just my teeth.

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So it was at that point where I'm like people don't understand and we all know this when we get sick or we have an injury, especially as an athlete, you're like, oh, I can't wait to be healthy again.

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When we don't have our health, we don't have anything.

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Seeing your parents die, seeing older people get frail, you think I don't want to be like that.

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I want to live as long as I, as healthy as I can, for as long as I can.

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And then, of course, I got very passionate about strength training because my sports guy, who is amazing, is your strong body protected you.

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Okay, ladies, let's stop chasing skinny and let's start chasing strong, because when you're 80, you're going to want to be strong and not skinny, because we all see skinny older people in the grocery store and they're just frail.

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Their gait is terrible.

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We need to change our mindset about our health.

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So I get all worked up about that.

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Yeah, no, I agree, and it's by experience.

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If you didn't go through this traumatic experience, your mindset might've been different Somehow.

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I think you still would've figured it out.

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I think you still would've moved in that direction even without it.

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That's just my opinion from reading some of your, some of the blogs and your posts and everything else.

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But, yeah, but I think it was probably done a lot faster.

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But yeah, it's absolutely crucial.

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My message is always that don't chase weight loss or being fit.

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Find something else, find something bigger than yourself.

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I had a client.

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Her name was Kat, and she lost 150 pounds in 18 months.

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She was 5'1", she was weighing like 250 pounds and she had started doing 5Ks and she turned on the television once she saw Ironman.

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She saw Ironman World Championships and she's oh, that's interesting, that's a really cool idea.

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And then when she found Ironman Florida and she goes, I'm going to do Ironman Florida.

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So the idea here was that, instead of her going, okay, I'm going to do Ironman Florida.

00:22:07.836 --> 00:22:12.692
So the idea here was that, instead of her going, okay, I'm going to lose weight and get fit, she goes, I'm going to do Ironman Florida.

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And 18 months later, she was on the beach wearing a sized small wetsuit and going out and she did it in under 12 hours.

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That's amazing, amazing.

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So that's my message to people is go after that biggest thing when your message goes right on top of that, which is a go for the strengths, not about weight loss.

00:22:36.719 --> 00:22:41.496
You have a specific journey for weight loss as well in your reference box.

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It's called working.

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Oh, I've been overweight a couple.

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I've been overweight a couple times.

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I'm a woman like everyone else and it's I don't know about you, brad.

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As a coach, people think I eat perfectly.

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I've never struggled.

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I'm like, oh no.

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I was running with one of my friends at Ohio State and we stopped.

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I pull up my shirt.

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I'm like some girl has my back.

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Oh, is my back fat jiggling?

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It was the 80s.

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We wore baggy clothes.

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We didn't have mirrors in our dorm rooms.

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I didn't know.

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In 2014, my dad had moved out here and he was declining with Alzheimer's and eventually died.

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I was 20 pounds heavier.

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I'm a human, like everyone else, so I have grown out of my underwear and bras.

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I know what it's like to feel uncomfortable in your own skin.

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It's not about being perfect.

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It's about making progress and never, ever giving up on yourself or your health.

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Okay, let's move with that.

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So this happens in 2014 and you figure out that, okay, something's got to be done.

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Yes.

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So, first of all, what was the first clue?

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What gave you that realization that, okay, something's going to?

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I was absolutely miserable.

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In my own skin.

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I had a running injury.

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It was one of the first times that was.

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My sports guy said it was the deepest part between my hamstring and glute connector and looking back I was incredibly stressed.

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My brothers could not help me with my dad.

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It was awful.

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My kids were little, I was still carpooling and my husband traveled for it.

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It was a very busy time.

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I think my body just said yeah, you got to slow down, but running is my therapy.

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So I couldn't have therapy.

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I couldn't work out like I wanted to.

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I was just a mess and I don't drink.

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I didn't drink back.

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I don't drink now.

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I didn't drink a lot back then.

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I'm not a big sugar person because he had Alzheimer's and gosh, that's just a very yeah sugar's poison.

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Absolutely.

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But I remember I went back for his funeral and I saw some of my friends in Ohio and I came home and I was sitting in the Phoenix airport.

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I'm like all right, girl, you got to do something.

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I was always in the stretchy clothes.

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I felt miserable and I just thought I hope I'm under 160.

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The next day I got on the scale 159.8.

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Okay, it's time to be accountable, because I had spent the last three years really going down a bad road.

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Of anybody who's ever watched their parent decline or have Alzheimer's, it is awful.

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And not getting support from your family not my husband or kids, but my brothers doing it all alone is so stressful and it was like it's time for me to take care of me.

00:25:15.926 --> 00:25:18.494
And that's actually when I found strength training, because I couldn't run.

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So I started strength training on the regular and I was amazed.

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I had been a runner, brad, since I was 11.

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So there was a lot of change.

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My body not anymore, but when I was running the regular I am 745, 745, 745.

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Slow day 815, but really on the regular.

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But strength training.

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I was like, oh, your body really changes.

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It was great.

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Luckily for me, I had done that for two years before I got hit, because that really made all the difference in the world.

00:25:50.951 --> 00:25:52.394
So what was so?

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Let's talk about that real quick, all right.

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So you look in the mirror.

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You find like this is gonna be done.

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Get on the scale once again.

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What's your first step?

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Start logging on my fitness pal every single day and be in a calorie deficit.

00:26:04.441 --> 00:26:07.730
I did not know about the importance of protein back then like I do now.

00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:08.751
Again.

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This is pre-internet very little internet back then, right, we didn't know anything.

00:26:11.999 --> 00:26:15.393
So it was really daily logging and creating a deficit.

00:26:15.393 --> 00:26:22.214
And even if you go off track like you got it, you got to log it is being accountable to yourself.

00:26:23.136 --> 00:26:34.122
I did that, for I did a little like a 16 week challenge and at the end I was down to 143, which I fluctuate like everybody else 143, 145 and I'm five, seven.

00:26:34.122 --> 00:26:35.190
So that's a fine weight.

00:26:35.190 --> 00:26:40.616
But it was when you just and I tell women this all the time, we all want instant results.

00:26:40.616 --> 00:26:43.894
It's about one pound a week when you don't have a ton of weight to lose.

00:26:43.894 --> 00:26:48.317
It's never going to be five pounds in that first week, unless you have a 40 or 50 plus pounds to lose.

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That people give up too fast.

00:26:50.739 --> 00:26:52.279
They don't stay consistent.

00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.501
You just got to put the work in and you will see the results.

00:26:55.501 --> 00:26:58.509
But it's not glamorous, it's not fast, it's not sexy, it is little.

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It's like chipping away little by little.

00:27:02.224 --> 00:27:02.546
Excellent.

00:27:02.546 --> 00:27:04.269
And so what was?

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Let's talk about a typical day in eating when you first start.

00:27:07.795 --> 00:27:09.176
And so what was?

00:27:09.176 --> 00:27:12.142
Let's talk about a typical day in eating when you first start.

00:27:12.162 --> 00:27:13.684
So you decided that, okay, I need a deficit.

00:27:13.684 --> 00:27:26.436
And first of all, what we know that a deficit is just for everybody else out there that a deficit is the number of calories that you're that for resting metabolism, plus the amount that you work out and what you, and then you subtract what you eat.

00:27:26.436 --> 00:27:27.693
If you end up with a positive number, you're a surplus.

00:27:27.693 --> 00:27:28.984
If you end up with a positive number, you're a surplus.

00:27:28.984 --> 00:27:31.773
If you end up with a negative number, you're in a deficit.

00:27:31.773 --> 00:27:35.055
What was your goal for being in a deficit?

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It was intermittent fasting really, because I thought if I could only eat twice, like lunch and dinner and maybe an afternoon snack, it's less calories than if I had breakfast, lunch and dinner.

00:27:45.305 --> 00:27:48.615
And in my earlier 40s you could do that.

00:27:48.615 --> 00:27:52.635
Not so great for menopause or premenopausal ladies, but in my early forties I can get away with that.

00:27:52.635 --> 00:27:59.885
And I was like, okay, I can just drink a lot of coffee and some tea and a lot of water and have an early lunch and that actually worked.

00:27:59.885 --> 00:28:08.999
So for me I was around, which is too low now, but Brad, I didn't know then it was like 1,300, 1,400 calories, which is too low.

00:28:12.686 --> 00:28:16.096
However, I was not running Strength training does not make you hungry, like cardio does.

00:28:16.096 --> 00:28:23.071
I was doing zero cardio and I saw that pound a week drop and that's really what I did.

00:28:23.913 --> 00:28:27.076
Did you have a daily deficit goal?

00:28:27.836 --> 00:28:32.923
I tried to stay 1,300, stay 13 to 1400 calories every day.

00:28:32.942 --> 00:28:38.574
Okay, so my fitness pal will give you what you should, what your goal should be.

00:28:38.574 --> 00:28:53.943
So I, I give people, I tell people that, hey, you don't want to be in the deficit over 500 to 750 calories, right, don't want to be in that deficit Anything over that, because then your body will start going into it goes into a fasting mode and starts saving, yeah, fat, for you start storing it.

00:28:53.943 --> 00:28:57.030
Rather than ask you what you did, so, did you, is it just?

00:28:57.030 --> 00:28:57.913
You just stayed in that.

00:28:57.913 --> 00:29:04.556
Instead of looking for a deficit, you basically want to just stay in that 1300 to 1400 calorie I did.

00:29:04.675 --> 00:29:07.367
I have always my whole life, been a little bit of weight loss resistance.

00:29:07.367 --> 00:29:19.086
So when, when I put in, find a BMR calculator and it says you have, you eat 1,800 calories to lose weight, I'm like I will never lose weight eating 1,800 calories and a part of that is you have to know your body.

00:29:19.086 --> 00:29:21.732
For some people that works and that's fine.

00:29:21.732 --> 00:29:23.698
For me I knew that was too many calories.

00:29:23.698 --> 00:29:34.118
I could have one day a week where I ate a little bit more, which I think is really good to do for your body anyway, but for the most part I had to stick with that and I didn't feel deprived.

00:29:34.118 --> 00:29:35.143
I didn't feel like I was chewing my arm off.

00:29:35.143 --> 00:29:38.916
It was fine and the lack of running probably helped that, because obviously running makes you hungry.

00:29:40.122 --> 00:29:43.189
Yeah, running makes you hungry, but strength training.

00:29:43.189 --> 00:29:49.038
The other thing about strength training is and tell me if I'm wrong here but after you get done strength training, you continue to burn.

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The rest of the day.

00:29:51.205 --> 00:29:55.596
Versus cardio, where you do continue to burn for the next couple hours, but it like trails off.

00:29:55.596 --> 00:29:59.515
You could keep burning for 24 hours, depending on how hard you were in the gym.

00:29:59.515 --> 00:30:00.096
Is that correct?

00:30:00.464 --> 00:30:02.808
It is, and muscle really is your metabolic currency.

00:30:02.808 --> 00:30:09.770
So women, my age, we are always taught cardio and I tell ladies, please get off the elliptical, please pick up a weight.

00:30:09.770 --> 00:30:15.174
Your body will thank you for it and your metabolism runs higher than any kind of cardio that you can do.

00:30:15.174 --> 00:30:15.997
And it doesn't leave you.

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I've gone out for 10 mile runs.

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You just hire the rest of the day.

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You're really hungry.

00:30:20.372 --> 00:30:23.531
You can't ever catch up A 30, minute, 40 minute strength training.

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You're not destroyed.

00:30:32.366 --> 00:30:35.361
For the rest of the day, you're like, all right, I'm going to eat and I'm going to move on with my day.

00:30:35.361 --> 00:30:36.044
That's good advice.

00:30:36.044 --> 00:30:36.325
I love it.

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All right.

00:30:40.664 --> 00:30:42.028
So you've gotten, you've dropped 243.

00:30:42.028 --> 00:30:42.428
Now are you back?

00:30:42.428 --> 00:30:44.030
So at this point, are you back in the gym working with clients?

00:30:45.032 --> 00:30:45.733
I started.

00:30:45.733 --> 00:30:48.317
Okay, it's so hard.

00:30:48.317 --> 00:30:50.709
Seven years ago now, I started doing food coaching.

00:30:50.709 --> 00:30:59.926
Actually, yeah, because women want to lose weight and it's all about what they ate, and so I started doing food yeah, food coaching.

00:31:00.929 --> 00:31:07.711
And I did go back to teach for a little bit, but it was a class that didn't excite me, so I did it for four or five months.

00:31:07.711 --> 00:31:08.240
I'm like you know what?

00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:09.303
This is not what I want to do.

00:31:09.303 --> 00:31:14.031
And then mostly food coaching.

00:31:14.053 --> 00:31:20.772
There is I train an 84-year-old guy, Frank and his wife, at the gym that I started doing nine years ago.

00:31:20.772 --> 00:31:24.284
So they were with me through the accident In COVID.

00:31:24.284 --> 00:31:28.161
When our gym shut down, I went to their house because I will not break up with them.

00:31:28.161 --> 00:31:33.080
So I was doing like a little bit of training because I literally live across the street from the gym.

00:31:33.080 --> 00:31:35.066
I walk three minutes across the street.

00:31:35.066 --> 00:31:39.281
So I have some old time excuse me, some old time clients.

00:31:39.281 --> 00:31:45.063
I have the occasional client that comes to my house because I have a gym in my backyard, but it really went to.

00:31:45.103 --> 00:31:57.088
More women want to transform their lives and me spending time with them in the gym is different than me really guiding them on how to eat, because they want to feel different in their own skin and, yes, I'm going to tell them.

00:31:57.088 --> 00:31:58.680
I have a whole YouTube channel.

00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:05.167
I send tons of my videos to them Start here and then progress, because I think there's what do I do?

00:32:05.167 --> 00:32:07.691
Do I do yoga, Do I do Pilates, Do I do weights?

00:32:07.691 --> 00:32:11.615
So I'm like here, start here with my workouts and then we'll progress.

00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:19.238
So it really started not back in the gym.

00:32:19.238 --> 00:32:19.640
More more virtual.

00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:20.214
It's again.

00:32:20.214 --> 00:32:22.190
Everything seemed to be going more virtual, definitely after the pandemic.

00:32:22.190 --> 00:32:25.375
It's again, everything seemed to be going more virtual.

00:32:25.375 --> 00:32:26.195
It's definitely after the pandemic.

00:32:26.195 --> 00:32:27.178
So guide me through a specific instance.

00:32:27.178 --> 00:32:28.720
Or let's use a virtual, or let's use a made-up instance.

00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:41.634
Let's just talk about a 52 year old woman, not obese, but not skinny, and she comes to you and says I really like to lose some weight.

00:32:41.634 --> 00:32:43.518
I'm 52.

00:32:43.518 --> 00:32:46.281
I weigh 175 pounds.

00:32:46.281 --> 00:32:47.724
I should weigh 130.

00:32:47.724 --> 00:32:52.500
And so what's the first thing, what's one of the first things that you'll ask?

00:32:52.520 --> 00:32:52.923
them to do.

00:32:53.263 --> 00:32:55.681
Or what are the first things that you'll ask them in order to get more information?

00:32:56.502 --> 00:32:58.727
I ask them for their top two health goals.

00:32:58.727 --> 00:33:01.973
So what else besides losing weight do you want to do?

00:33:01.973 --> 00:33:07.965
And then I ask them for a regular day of eating, not a diet day, just a regular day of eating.

00:33:07.965 --> 00:33:16.351
And a hundred percent of women that I talk to do not get enough protein in, because we are carb lovers by nature and they don't think.

00:33:16.351 --> 00:33:20.626
They think having oatmeal with raisins is a good breakfast Like that's carbs and carbs.

00:33:20.626 --> 00:33:21.377
You have no protein in there.

00:33:21.377 --> 00:33:22.309
They think having oatmeal with raisins is a good breakfast Like that's carbs and carbs.

00:33:22.309 --> 00:33:22.452
You have no protein in there.

00:33:22.452 --> 00:33:25.868
They think they're saving calories by having a half a sandwich.

00:33:25.868 --> 00:33:27.566
I'm like how much meat are you putting in there?

00:33:27.566 --> 00:33:32.471
Maybe two ounces, and so by the end of the day, I'm like you're not eating to lose weight.

00:33:33.641 --> 00:33:37.391
When we were younger, in the 80s and 90s, it was all about deprivation.

00:33:37.391 --> 00:33:48.748
When I tell women they have to eat more to lose weight, they're like what are you talking about?

00:33:48.748 --> 00:33:50.452
Because you're not eating the right macronutrients for you to lose weight.

00:33:50.452 --> 00:34:01.335
Now, in the last year, I've partnered with a wellness company, isagenix, and they have a 30 day weight loss system where my success rate with these women now is over 90%, because it's incredible.

00:34:01.335 --> 00:34:05.606
Rate with these women now is over 90%, because it's incredible.

00:34:05.626 --> 00:34:11.144
Here's the thing when you get to be my age or older, you've made a hundred thousand plus food decisions for yourself and your family for the last 30 or 40 years.

00:34:11.144 --> 00:34:18.750
When I say I want you to have a shake for breakfast, I want you to have a shake for lunch with a salad, because nobody gets enough fiber.

00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.246
I want you to have a high protein and high veggie dinner.

00:34:21.246 --> 00:34:23.152
Let's cut out the processed stuff.

00:34:23.152 --> 00:34:24.858
Cut out wine for a month.

00:34:24.858 --> 00:34:25.621
Let's see what happens.

00:34:27.085 --> 00:34:27.505
I just had a guy.

00:34:27.505 --> 00:34:30.253
I was like I'm not even snacking.

00:34:30.253 --> 00:34:31.536
What's going on?

00:34:31.536 --> 00:34:33.402
You're getting amazing nutrition.

00:34:33.402 --> 00:34:37.391
That's what's going on, and our society is not set up to have amazing nutrition.

00:34:37.391 --> 00:34:41.494
Our society is set up for grab, grab, quick and easy.

00:34:41.494 --> 00:34:45.907
When you put excellent nutrition in your body, amazing things happen.

00:34:45.907 --> 00:34:46.769
I just had a guy last week.

00:34:46.769 --> 00:34:46.989
She goes.

00:34:46.989 --> 00:34:48.300
It's been six days.

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:49.224
I'm down 10 pounds.

00:34:49.224 --> 00:34:50.867
What the actual what is going on?

00:34:50.867 --> 00:34:52.592
You're following the plan.

00:34:52.592 --> 00:34:58.043
So having a system to help women out has been amazing.

00:34:58.043 --> 00:34:59.405
I had a 75-year-old client.

00:34:59.405 --> 00:35:00.565
I'm like good for you, girl.

00:35:00.565 --> 00:35:01.766
You want to keep on improving.

00:35:01.766 --> 00:35:03.768
She lost 10 pounds in 30 days.

00:35:03.768 --> 00:35:03.987
She goes.

00:35:03.987 --> 00:35:15.717
I just have that little middle Women tend to gain weight in the middle and I'm like this can help you because, especially as we get older, our protein needs actually increase as we get older and most older people are eating less.

00:35:15.717 --> 00:35:19.367
I want them to eat more, so I know it sounds funny.

00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:21.253
I'm a hundred percent.

00:35:21.253 --> 00:35:24.387
When people tell me that they want to lose weight, I immediately go toward that.

00:35:24.387 --> 00:35:25.188
What is your day like?

00:35:25.188 --> 00:35:25.731
What do you eat?

00:35:25.731 --> 00:35:26.400
What do you eat now?

00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.123
What do you think?

00:35:27.123 --> 00:35:27.284
Now?

00:35:27.284 --> 00:35:28.027
I don't understand.

00:35:28.027 --> 00:35:29.311
I'm not eating that many calories.

00:35:29.311 --> 00:35:32.827
I'm like there might be a problem there.

00:35:32.827 --> 00:35:33.708
What are you eating?

00:35:34.088 --> 00:35:43.402
It's the quality of the calories not just the calories, I agree.

00:35:43.422 --> 00:35:43.601
I agree.

00:35:43.601 --> 00:35:51.606
There's a lot of studies out there and there's a lot of gurus out there that are basically saying that deficit, which I agree with to a point, but the calories you're putting in, where are you getting them from?

00:35:51.606 --> 00:36:03.032
And not to mention that the healthier versions are less caloric, which means you can eat more.

00:36:04.054 --> 00:36:07.246
Yeah, I show a picture on social media almost every day of a.

00:36:07.246 --> 00:36:09.152
I call it a BAS, a big ass salad.

00:36:09.152 --> 00:36:11.608
I'm like you should be having a lot of vegetables every day.

00:36:11.608 --> 00:36:15.208
That fiber is going to help keep you full.

00:36:15.208 --> 00:36:17.047
And in fact, you asked something a while ago.

00:36:17.047 --> 00:36:18.465
I want to just tell you this real quick.

00:36:18.465 --> 00:36:20.925
I have six implants in my mouth.

00:36:20.925 --> 00:36:23.512
I want to just tell you this real quick.

00:36:23.512 --> 00:36:26.099
I have six implants in my mouth and my periodontist.

00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:32.250
After they put the screw in your mouth for the implant, they put something called a healing cap on.

00:36:32.250 --> 00:36:36.443
Your gums have to heal before they put the tooth on and your tongue goes to whatever is not normal in your mouth.

00:36:36.443 --> 00:36:38.068
So you're like, oh yeah, there's a cap there.

00:36:38.068 --> 00:36:39.420
And all of a sudden the cap disappeared.

00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.184
One day I was in the grocery store and I called his office.

00:36:41.184 --> 00:36:41.423
I'm like.

00:36:41.423 --> 00:36:42.445
So you're like, oh yeah, there's a cap there.

00:36:42.445 --> 00:36:43.246
And all of a sudden the cap disappeared.

00:36:43.246 --> 00:36:44.528
One day I was in the grocery store and I called his office.

00:36:44.528 --> 00:36:45.369
I'm like what happened to the healing cap?

00:36:45.369 --> 00:36:45.570
I went in.

00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:47.432
He goes oh my God, would you please start eating McDonald's?

00:36:47.432 --> 00:36:49.114
Your gums are so healthy.

00:36:49.114 --> 00:36:59.527
It popped off the healing cap and I'm like, no, he's like.

00:36:59.527 --> 00:37:01.027
I literally have never seen who I am.

00:37:02.369 --> 00:37:03.489
All because you were eating clean.

00:37:04.110 --> 00:37:04.411
Correct.

00:37:05.231 --> 00:37:07.512
Oh my God, that's crazy.

00:37:07.512 --> 00:37:11.056
Pops off because her gums are too healthy.

00:37:11.536 --> 00:37:11.757
Yes.

00:37:17.739 --> 00:37:18.501
That's one for statistics, right?

00:37:18.501 --> 00:37:22.355
So the way that they develop these procedures is by the normality and statistics of their clients, right?

00:37:22.355 --> 00:37:26.027
Yeah so most of their clients do not eat that healthy.

00:37:26.027 --> 00:37:28.072
A majority should not be that way.

00:37:28.072 --> 00:37:28.693
That's telling.

00:37:28.693 --> 00:37:31.125
That's too telling for our environment.

00:37:31.326 --> 00:37:35.844
Yeah, and I had lost all the bone in my upper mouth since my mouth hit the windshield.

00:37:35.844 --> 00:37:44.503
So my doctor had to do a surgery where he created a pocket in my mouth and put in bone graft and stem cells so I could grow bone.

00:37:44.503 --> 00:37:47.190
And he told me like this might not work for you.

00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:56.985
And then, once he got to know me, he's like oh my God, you're going to grow so much bone because your mouth is so healthy and I obviously did, because I have implants in but the bone was like growing out of all different directions.

00:37:56.985 --> 00:37:57.929
He's like I've never seen anything like this.

00:37:57.929 --> 00:37:58.893
This is crazy all different directions.

00:37:58.893 --> 00:38:00.117
He's like I've never seen anything like this.

00:38:03.416 --> 00:38:05.762
This is crazy Wonder woman here.

00:38:05.762 --> 00:38:07.065
That's amazing.

00:38:07.065 --> 00:38:08.626
That's absolutely amazing.

00:38:08.626 --> 00:38:11.913
I am, I am totally, I like.

00:38:11.913 --> 00:38:17.670
There's so many things that I want to talk to you about, but unfortunately, I want to like a lot of it is I don't want to.

00:38:17.670 --> 00:38:19.744
I talked about me and my clients.

00:38:19.744 --> 00:38:20.827
I want to of it is I don't want to.

00:38:20.827 --> 00:38:23.074
I talked about me and my clients.

00:38:23.074 --> 00:38:26.594
I want to hear more about you and I'm like all I'm thinking about is oh, what about this client?

00:38:26.594 --> 00:38:27.184
Oh, what do you think about this?

00:38:27.184 --> 00:38:27.715
What do you think about this one?

00:38:27.715 --> 00:38:30.789
We'll talk about case studies, but I don't want to do that here, so that's going to be a different episode.

00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:31.971
We'll have to move into that.

00:38:31.971 --> 00:38:36.052
So let's let so, being in case studies, give me your best case study.

00:38:36.052 --> 00:38:42.317
You don't have names or anything, but the most, the most wonderful results that you've gotten as a coach.

00:38:42.317 --> 00:38:44.485
Sure, just run me through that case study.

00:38:45.081 --> 00:38:53.027
I meet a lot of women on social media because I'm very active on there and I've been doing what I've been doing for a long time, so I know what I'm talking about.

00:38:53.027 --> 00:38:55.525
And I talked to, obviously, strangers.

00:38:55.525 --> 00:38:59.001
And I was talking to this one gal and she says Pam, do you know what I ate today?

00:38:59.001 --> 00:39:02.126
And I was like I don't know you For three meals.

00:39:02.126 --> 00:39:06.954
She had a piece of birthday cake and a root beer and she goes.

00:39:06.954 --> 00:39:13.181
I'm a little bit.

00:39:13.181 --> 00:39:13.722
She's in her late 50s.

00:39:13.722 --> 00:39:13.902
She goes.

00:39:13.902 --> 00:39:15.423
I know I can't keep eating like this and expect to feel good when I'm older.

00:39:15.443 --> 00:39:17.527
I said, okay, literally the Isagenix 30-day system.

00:39:17.527 --> 00:39:19.650
You're going to have two shakes a day.

00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:21.715
You're going to do one cleanse day a week.

00:39:21.715 --> 00:39:26.452
And the cleanse day is pretty cool, brad, because there's so many toxins in our environment.

00:39:26.452 --> 00:39:33.545
Everybody knows that the cleanse day attacks the toxins which are normally stored in our visceral fat and a lot of the women have it around their belly.

00:39:33.545 --> 00:39:35.791
And she was so excited she goes.

00:39:35.791 --> 00:39:37.262
I'm actually going to do a two-day cleanse.

00:39:37.262 --> 00:39:40.188
And she fully admitted she's.

00:39:40.228 --> 00:39:41.250
I am a sugar addict.

00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:50.503
One week later she goes and I call sugar for everybody that doesn't know the bad boyfriend.

00:39:50.503 --> 00:39:51.907
She said I am not thinking about the bad boyfriend.

00:39:51.907 --> 00:39:52.590
I have not had the bad boyfriend.

00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:53.994
I don't know what's in these shakes.

00:39:53.994 --> 00:39:57.188
I'm up at seven o'clock cleaning my house at night.

00:39:57.188 --> 00:39:58.875
I feel so great.

00:39:58.875 --> 00:39:59.838
This is magic.

00:39:59.838 --> 00:40:06.211
I even turned down a piece of birthday cake from somebody in the office that I work with because I don't want it, because I feel so good.

00:40:06.211 --> 00:40:22.088
So when people change that much and like everyone else I'm still in touch with a client that bad boyfriend got back into my life I'm like, okay, game on, let's go back to what works, let's go back to the two shakes a day.

00:40:22.088 --> 00:40:22.528
And she goes.

00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.523
And it's interesting for me as a coach, I feel like I'm eating so much.

00:40:26.523 --> 00:40:32.742
You're not eating a lot, just I'd rather have 500 calories of crap because then I can just eat it.

00:40:32.742 --> 00:40:37.949
It takes a long time to eat a salad and I'm like, please, keep on putting the good stuff back in your body.

00:40:37.949 --> 00:40:54.184
So when women can get control of their food, because I know the companies, the fast or the like cookies, crackers, chips they make these products so you can't just have one, that they have the perfect amount of sugar, salt and fat so you can have 15, 20, 50.

00:40:54.184 --> 00:40:58.016
When I can help somebody break up with that and feel good and go.

00:40:58.016 --> 00:40:59.983
I want to feel good for my grandkids.

00:40:59.983 --> 00:41:01.710
I want to feel good when I'm 70.

00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:03.525
So I have to change now and I can help them do that.

00:41:03.525 --> 00:41:04.849
That feels amazing.

00:41:05.619 --> 00:41:06.081
I get that.

00:41:06.081 --> 00:41:06.943
I totally get that.

00:41:06.943 --> 00:41:08.947
Wow, that's so crazy.

00:41:08.947 --> 00:41:12.773
So you are a big proponent of isogenics.

00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:17.748
I have seen it change so many women's lives for the better.

00:41:17.748 --> 00:41:18.809
It's been.

00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:30.088
As a coach, I feel like I'm Willy Wonka with a magic ticket Like this works and I've seen over a hundred women change their lives in the last year with it.

00:41:30.088 --> 00:41:30.951
Like it's crazy, awesome.

00:41:30.951 --> 00:41:33.300
Yes, I love it and I still have two shakes a day because I love it so much.

00:41:34.041 --> 00:41:35.123
I know Isagenix very well.

00:41:35.123 --> 00:41:35.704
It's actually.

00:41:35.704 --> 00:41:42.934
I will tell you, I had Asapro for years because it was, first of all, it's the best tasting one.

00:41:42.934 --> 00:41:50.730
It's the best tasting one that I ever yeah, was Isopro and the fact that it was denatured whey protein.

00:41:51.661 --> 00:41:53.188
The highest quality protein you can put in your body.

00:41:53.188 --> 00:41:54.643
It's really great.

00:41:54.643 --> 00:41:56.309
What flavor did you like?

00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:05.068
Oh, I'm a chocolate holler, so yeah, it helped me hang out with the or make my body feel like it was still hanging out with a bad girlfriend.

00:42:05.068 --> 00:42:13.625
Yeah, so it tricked me into that because it was just enough sweetness to make you feel like, oh, I got a little bit of a treat.

00:42:13.625 --> 00:42:15.204
Better to put that in your body.

00:42:16.121 --> 00:42:29.811
What's interesting, brad, I share with all my dental friends because we were besties right At the end of my journey and my hygienist, like I, brought my blender in and I made it for everybody.

00:42:29.811 --> 00:42:30.835
She goes Pam, it tastes like nothing.

00:42:30.835 --> 00:42:31.297
What do you mean?

00:42:31.297 --> 00:42:31.777
It tastes like nothing.

00:42:31.777 --> 00:42:32.199
I don't, brad.

00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:33.043
I don't know anybody eats.

00:42:33.043 --> 00:42:34.527
What do you eat?

00:42:34.527 --> 00:42:36.775
Hot pockets and frozen pizza.

00:42:36.775 --> 00:42:41.688
So when your palate is used to highly processed foods, it's very bland.

00:42:41.688 --> 00:42:43.023
I've had every protein powder out there.

00:42:43.023 --> 00:42:44.188
There are some that are so sweet.

00:42:44.188 --> 00:42:50.088
So I tell everyone it's very mild tasting, but if you eat regular food it's going to taste great.

00:42:50.088 --> 00:42:53.485
If you don't, it's going to take a couple of days for you to get used to the flavor.

00:42:54.286 --> 00:42:55.289
No, I totally agree.

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:56.251
I totally agree.

00:42:56.251 --> 00:42:58.282
All my clients are.

00:42:58.282 --> 00:43:05.141
When they feel like they are not progressing, I go back and look at their diet and see what's going on and I make I give them.

00:43:05.141 --> 00:43:10.909
You might do this as well, but I make sure that they give me access to their Non-negotiable.

00:43:10.909 --> 00:43:14.094
Ah great, I don't feel so bad now.

00:43:14.094 --> 00:43:15.096
I see the freight belt like that.

00:43:15.096 --> 00:43:19.869
You know, now All right, just put the diary settings in you want it for friends.

00:43:20.099 --> 00:43:21.824
Yep Make no, no, all right, just put the diary settings in.

00:43:21.824 --> 00:43:22.525
You want it for friends?

00:43:22.525 --> 00:43:23.487
You make sure that I can see it.

00:43:23.487 --> 00:43:23.867
I use it later on.

00:43:23.867 --> 00:43:29.447
That's like the last door when I started seeing like progress, progress kind of change, and it goes down, starts going down.

00:43:29.447 --> 00:43:30.369
Okay, let's figure it out.

00:43:30.369 --> 00:43:32.800
Or they tell me hey, I didn't really feel good in this workout.

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.842
All right, let's look at everything.

00:43:34.842 --> 00:43:36.822
What's all the data points, and it just becomes another point.

00:43:37.302 --> 00:43:38.824
Yeah, that's, it's data.

00:43:38.824 --> 00:43:39.445
That's what it is.

00:43:40.144 --> 00:43:41.166
And we talked about how.

00:43:41.166 --> 00:43:43.327
But what's another resource that you find invaluable, that you use on a daily basis?

00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:05.847
I tell my clients they have to walk.

00:44:05.847 --> 00:44:12.452
When I was a long distance runner literally again the snob, why bother?

00:44:12.452 --> 00:44:20.606
Then I went to Italy a couple of years ago and saw zero gyms and saw everybody walking everywhere and everybody was normal weight.

00:44:20.606 --> 00:44:24.219
And saw everybody walking everywhere and everybody was normal weight.

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I think people don't understand how important it is to move our bodies because we are a society of sitting.

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I sit a lot.

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I work from home, I sit a lot getting up and getting and there's no perfect number.

00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:36.601
I don't think 10,000 is a perfect number, but making sure your body moves every day, that's a non-negotiable.

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If you want to move when you're 80, you've got to start moving now.

00:44:39.443 --> 00:44:41.826
And people are like but it doesn't burn any calories.

00:44:41.826 --> 00:44:47.731
It does because you're non-exercise activity thermogenesis, you're easy walking.

00:44:47.731 --> 00:44:51.072
That does actually add up to what your body burns to the day.

00:44:51.072 --> 00:44:54.436
Also, we're all in front of our computers too much, our phones too much.

00:44:54.436 --> 00:45:00.268
Getting outside nature, breathing that fresh air, that's a part of your mental and physical health and wellness.

00:45:00.268 --> 00:45:01.753
But they're like what?

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Like after lunch, after dinner, now that it's a day late saving, make sure you park far away.

00:45:06.431 --> 00:45:07.463
All that stuff matters.

00:45:07.463 --> 00:45:13.644
Right, taking the stairs, not the escalator, those little things and being outside makes a huge difference in people's lives.

00:45:14.467 --> 00:45:15.168
And I totally agree.

00:45:15.168 --> 00:45:17.880
Actually, you ever hear of Andrew Huberman?

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Yes, Stanford right.

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Yes.

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Right down right in your back door, probably, yeah, and he always said the same thing.

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He's like move and he says 10 minutes of at least 10 minutes of sunlight in your eyes every day.

00:45:31.063 --> 00:45:32.784
And some people say make sure you go out first thing.

00:45:32.784 --> 00:45:34.610
That's not really realistic for a lot of people.

00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:47.474
It's not realistic's a little.

00:45:47.474 --> 00:45:48.802
Yeah, he's great.

00:45:49.545 --> 00:45:51.030
So we get into technicals, right.

00:45:51.030 --> 00:45:59.164
You and I probably can talk about the technical side of thermogenesis, we can talk about bone deficiencies and we can talk about different vitamins and all this stuff.

00:45:59.164 --> 00:46:03.572
He goes 10 times deeper, but yeah, he's a scientist.

00:46:03.572 --> 00:46:07.891
So, of course, is that you are you a regular listener to share this podcast at all?

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.847
I cannot do two hours at a time.

00:46:09.847 --> 00:46:14.885
I wish they were bite size, it's just I can't make that commitment to it, so I don't.

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:16.623
Do you have a favorite?

00:46:16.623 --> 00:46:19.170
Do you have a favorite podcast that you get information from?

00:46:20.300 --> 00:46:21.242
Oh, I have loads.

00:46:21.242 --> 00:46:22.943
I love, actually, karen Martell.

00:46:22.943 --> 00:46:33.987
She's a hormone expert because there's so much not great information for women in menopause and perimenopause and there's a lot of doctors that don't want to talk about hormone replacement therapy.

00:46:33.987 --> 00:46:42.407
She is amazing and she just changed the name of her podcast because she wanted focused on the hormone solution.

00:46:42.407 --> 00:46:45.072
She is wonderful.

00:46:45.072 --> 00:46:46.914
I love Hack my Age.

00:46:46.914 --> 00:46:59.606
She's a gal again about my age who has all sorts of great different health advice for women of my age and God, oh, age is irrelevant.

00:46:59.606 --> 00:47:00.769
Age is irrelevant.

00:47:00.769 --> 00:47:07.250
Helen is a friend of mine who has women over 50 on her podcast who have done amazing things in their lives.

00:47:07.250 --> 00:47:08.523
It's just very inspirational.

00:47:09.567 --> 00:47:10.550
Awesome, awesome.

00:47:10.550 --> 00:47:18.809
That's another of the kind of resources that our listeners really need to get into and start delving into this, so I am super excited to put that out.

00:47:18.809 --> 00:47:21.690
So watch out for the show notes, everybody.

00:47:21.690 --> 00:47:30.394
I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to put links to PM's website and some of his podcasts that she mentioned.

00:47:30.394 --> 00:47:34.911
Also, if somebody wanted to get a hold of you, what would be the best way for them to do that?

00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.208
They can direct message me on Instagram on TikTok.

00:47:38.208 --> 00:47:38.990
I love TikTok.

00:47:38.990 --> 00:47:40.704
They can email me.

00:47:40.704 --> 00:47:43.208
I can put my website has my email.

00:47:43.208 --> 00:47:47.407
I'm very active on social media so I always reply when somebody reaches out.

00:47:48.389 --> 00:47:55.344
All right, so I'll make sure that all of those the handles are on the show notes, so take a look at that.

00:47:55.344 --> 00:48:00.009
And, pam, thank you very much for coming on Life Changing Challenges.

00:48:00.009 --> 00:48:05.474
I appreciate it and I'm so glad that you were able to come back with this award-winning smile.

00:48:05.474 --> 00:48:06.806
Look at that smile, ladies and gentlemen.

00:48:06.806 --> 00:48:10.005
It's crazy if you can see the video, but I really appreciate you coming on.

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I think you gave a wealth of knowledge to people and I think women are going to continue to be inspired by you as well as men.

00:48:16.791 --> 00:48:18.762
So thank you so much.

00:48:18.762 --> 00:48:19.465
I appreciate it.

00:48:19.885 --> 00:48:21.510
Thank you for the opportunity to share my story.

00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:28.083
Yes, yeah, and it was a fantastic story, so thank you very much.

00:48:28.083 --> 00:48:29.226
All right, everybody, listen until next time.

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This is Life Tuning Challengers, and this is Brad, and I'm out.