The Power of Creativity and Individuality with Michaell Magrutsche

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And welcome back to another episode of Life Changing Challengers.

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I'm so honored today to have Michael McGrooch.

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He's an artist, he's an educator, he's a speaker, he's an author, he's a coach, he's a podcaster.

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The guy does it all and you're going to hear some amazing stories about it because he is self-taught for everything.

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How are you doing today, michael?

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I'm great.

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I love to work on Sundays.

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It's so quiet isn't it?

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Oh yeah, I mean the sun's out.

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Where are you?

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I'm in Los Angeles, south of Los Angeles, Laguna Beach, so you're seeing the sun right now.

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I'm in Tampa, Florida, so I'm literally across the country and it's beautiful outside right now in Tampa Florida, so you can't beat a Sunday like this, Exactly.

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Let's get started.

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I usually ask the same question to everybody Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, when?

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How you grew up, the compliments of your family, a difficult day growing up, some hardships, successes Give us the overall feel of how you grew up.

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I was born in Vienna, austria.

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I was a sick child, born as a sick child, and I went to school when I was seven, got the next touch on my face that I cannot read, write, regurgitate.

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I understood math but I cannot regurgitate it when I'm tested.

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Everything I practice never works, so I'm not system relevant.

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So whatever I have to regurgitate in any system.

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So my whole life I'm hitting the wall.

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Until I was 52.

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By 52, I wrote a book because I was so upset, because art was what saved me.

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Art creation saved me because I couldn't fit in the school, so I created.

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I just loved music.

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Like you know, all young people are safe.

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I want to know how many young people are saved by art that want to off themselves because they can't be.

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You know, jay-z or Beyonce or some superstar.

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So I was.

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So I had also success with being a DJ, selling out tapes out of my trunk, creating fashion shows and about 30, I did a new CV and I looked at my previous CVs and I said, oh my God, I am an artist.

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I didn't want to be an artist.

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I didn't want to say, oh, I wouldn't need to be famous, I just, you know, when you're an adolescent young.

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You just survive.

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You're just one day after another.

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You want to belong to somebody, be in a group, have your friends and be safe.

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Somehow, safety showed me this, because I had to do it myself.

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I couldn't connect with friends, but in school and so I couldn't connect.

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I have eight years of school and two years I had to repeat, so I'm completely self-taught in everything.

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So were you diagnosed?

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Yeah, I was diagnosed 50 years.

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Diagnosed you as okay, brett, you have neurodiversity, you have dyslexia, but you still have to do your school.

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There was not like today.

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There was no advantage for me being diagnosed.

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It actually was worse because he's the wacko, you know so.

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But you have the swings, you have the all the time you don't even feel it, you know, you don't feel the pain, and then the shame and all this stuff.

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You just grow into the shame and the guilt and everything else.

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And so art was my, literally my savior, because I parents, they were busy and whatever not bad parents at all, but they were busy and I actually was really good for me that they were not helicoptering me, because it allowed me to do my thing and they never said, hey, where's your money, where's the thing, whatever they just say.

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You know, they knew I was sick.

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You know also, that was an advantage because I was sick.

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So what could they?

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do when you say you were sick?

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Can you kind of elaborate a little bit Asthma?

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allergies.

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I mean I had to leave four times a year.

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Every time the season changes I had to take a tar bath, stinky tar bath.

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My whole skin was open.

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I went to the hospital, got IVs and stuff.

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My skin opened up and I had asthma and hay fever and I reacted to literally everything.

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And Vienna is kind of more on the water right.

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It's just, yeah, danube, it is the Danube, it's a big river that goes through it.

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And also, vienna is cold.

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It's cold.

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It's not Florida or Laguna Beach, right right, it's cold and wetness is, for asthma, really bad wetness.

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So wetness and cold is the worst thing you get.

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And then all the blooms.

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You know, europe is so, vienna is so green, so everything blooms there and it activates you.

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That's exactly what I was going to ask.

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Do you have any brothers or sisters?

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I have two brothers and one sister.

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Are you close with them?

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I'm very close with my sister, With my brothers.

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You know it's kind of.

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You know I'm gone since I was 20.

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So there's no, you know.

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Oh yeah, my parents passed and I'm gone for so long so I don't have a relationship with them.

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I mean I have a relationship, I'm not mad at them or anything.

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Yeah long, so I don't have a relationship with them.

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I mean I have a relationship, I'm not mad at them or anything, and I rather prefer not to do a phony.

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Hey, Brett, how you are doing.

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You know, I kind of like it like that.

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It's good we don't have to write Christmas cards and bullshit all that stuff.

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It's all systemic.

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The system makes money.

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So it's really, you know, they know what I call them, they know what I call me.

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So you're kind of a sickly child, which I understand, and especially back then, when there wasn't the technology that we had today and you've got a learning disorder.

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What was the first step toward this independence that you had?

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Okay, listen, I'm in this, I'm mainstreamed in school and I've got to get through it.

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What did you do to move yourself through the school that you did?

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So the art creation that I did you know, the music first and then painting and stuff.

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Every time I created art and I'm writing about this and this is what my 30-second podcast is about.

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The art of creation is the priceless thing.

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The art of product is just a commodity.

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The creation gave me unbelievable self-esteem.

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I can say your podcast is the best in the world or the worst, but I cannot take away that.

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You created it.

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That builds a self-esteem in you.

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You created a podcast, you can do another podcast, you can do another episode.

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You cannot just do one podcast and you get better and you adapt and you tweak it and in that you start trusting yourself automatically, because creation is our superpower.

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Humans are all one-on-one.

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We are the collective creator species.

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Look, singapore, new York, google, apple, collective creator animal.

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That's what we are.

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It's not Steve Jobs.

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If Steve Jobs wouldn't have the team, he would still sit soldering in his garage on the computer.

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It's everybody Zuckerberg, all these leaders are talking heads, basically because it's the team and we love to do it.

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Otherwise the team couldn't have the team.

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Nobody would be supported in any company, from the smallest grocery store to the biggest.

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The Google, nobody would be.

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We love to co-create together.

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We don't have to be all a leader.

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We like to create and to contribute.

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That's like a DNA drive that we want to contribute.

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We want to be relevant.

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So that's when you don't know what you're supposed to do.

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You want to be system relevant.

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You want to be a president, you want to get a title, you want to get any system relevance.

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Only system relevance is not the human-centric relevance that you have by nature because you're one of one.

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There's no bread manners out there.

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You are one of one and I'm one of one.

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And by dancing with each other we open our life perspectives.

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And when we open our life perspective, we grow only what you pick up.

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And the dance is an experience of wisdom, of awareness, and that's unbeatable.

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So I love to dance with as many people as I can, because there's nothing more fulfilling.

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There's nothing more fulfilling.

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That's why it's so magical podcasting and that's why people also listen to podcasts, because it's natural.

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It's a natural, human-centric dance that the two people or three people that talk to each other.

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It's not a system-relevant newscast with 20 people.

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You know it's a difference.

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That's why podcast is a blessing from a tech, blessing you know, I agree, and you know and it's funny that you mentioned that all right, steve jobs couldn't have done it by himself.

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He had a team.

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Everybody's got their place.

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It's.

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I think it's the same thing and I'm not big on putting politics in this podcast but we blame these figureheads.

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We blame biden or trump, whatever, but we blame them.

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But there's so many people that have a piece of that decision.

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You know we sit there and we blame Biden for the southern border, but there's a bunch of other people underneath that are making decisions, micro decisions underneath, and this team that's either causing that or when the job rates, when the unemployment rate plummets.

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So it's a combination of people on a team that are making small decisions here and there that are creating jobs that are allowing, and that's that cohesive that you're talking about.

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But you did mention one thing and I wanted to jump into it, since this is a good segue.

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You already talked about human centric and system relevant.

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Can you kind of go into those definitions for us so, as we go forward in the podcast?

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so human centric is.

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I didn't invent that, I just picked the word that was most relevant for what I feel that human centric is.

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Human centric means we are part of nature.

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We can go on Mars and we're still a part of nature.

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We are Earthlings, we are all Earthlings.

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We are part of nature and everybody is a one of one.

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So it's not like there's only woman and man.

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There's not only a race, there is not only.

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The generalization dampens us of our uniqueness.

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Because if I say, oh, you're just bad, you're just another man like me, you know we are pigs and the woman want money, if you look at that system relevant generalization you're already blurring the uniqueness of that person.

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I'm not looking at you as a man, I look at you as a human one.

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Human, that's rewarding.

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I'm not doing the oh.

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What do they say to systems about men?

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They're all weak, they're all macho, they're all whatever.

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I'm not looking at that.

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When you generalize only in gender, sex and race, you're blurring the whole film.

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We are so much more than and you make us all average.

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Everybody is normal, quote, unquote.

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And then nobody can define normal.

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I mean, it's the funny thing, we're all normal.

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But what is defined when the system says you are normal, then define normal for me.

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See, they say I'm abnormal because I'm neurodivergent.

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Right, but they don't define normal.

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So how can they define normal?

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It goes by statistics that change every year.

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So you were normal 10 years ago, but now we have better measurements, now you're abnormal.

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What is that?

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But this is generalization, you know, because there's good white people and bad white people.

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There's good woman, bad woman.

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Everybody needs to be looked at, one of one.

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What causes our problems is that we mix the two.

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We mix human-centric and system-relevant.

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System-relevant is we all decided collectively.

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We got to play Monopoly.

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We use money that doesn't exist in nature, but we use money to doesn't exist in nature, but we use money to reflect our value, our unique value, to contribute to each other.

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So if I make hammers and you make chicken, I mean, how many hammers do you need?

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Human-centric means.

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You are one of one.

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We are collective creator, animals, we are part of nature which we cannot suppress.

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So also, when we don't know let's say you and I have a problem right now, or we think about a problem, we've got to solve it I would always go, you know, at least in the second step I would say how does nature do it?

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How is it nature?

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And then I create a system that is aligned to the natural, you know, and so you observe animals, you observe plants, you observe things because you're part of it.

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Why would you not want to do it?

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Especially when you go outside, you're not just saying how high can I jump a wave?

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No, you are in the water, you learn how the water, you know the medium of water, you learn the medium of water to work on it.

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And system relevant is just we have decided to play Monopoly, which is great because, since we are creator, animals right, we can create our own habitat.

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It's not like the ant does just what the ants always did an anthill, and it doesn't look different than the other anthills.

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We do New York, singapore, we create, and that's why we are conscious, self-conscious.

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In my theory, the only thing why we are aware of self-aware is because you show me, you go in the woods.

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You show me okay, I've got to cut down these four, these four trees, and then we could take the branches off, and then we build a little hut.

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And so I experience, I come to your hut when it's raining.

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I said, damn, I need to make my own hut so I can repeat that and make it better.

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And I said well, brad did it without a front door, I'm going to make a front door so you can open and close.

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The next one says I'm going to put windows in, and then we end up having skyscrapers.

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Right, I mean it's just, it's in the evolution of being a creative, a collective creative animal, we all can contribute.

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We all are part in the synergistic part, because not everybody's a lawyer, not everybody's a doctor, not everybody is a carpenter.

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So it's finding the synergistic, what we are good for, and not allowing the system saying okay, we need lawyers, now, everybody studied for a lawyer.

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If you're not a lawyer, why would you study for a lawyer?

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When I grew up, everybody has to be a lawyer, they said.

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You know, if all jobs fail, if you have a law degree, you're happy.

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And now AI is wrapping that right off the table.

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So the human-centric is basically going back to the way we used to do things, right?

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So you talked about all right, you have a hammer and I have chickens, yeah, but you have a hammer and this person needs to build, so he needs a hammer, but he needs nails, but he's able to provide wood, so he provides wood to the guy that needs to build something.

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The guy that makes nails provides it to the guy that gets the hammer, and then this guy gets hungry.

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The chicken guy needs a hut, so he trades chickens for this, he gets the hammer and it moves around.

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It's just like what we used to do.

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It was the barter system that we used to happen, and you know what.

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I was been so fascinated with that without having you know this monetary system, right so?

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but I get what you're saying about going back to that right now let's be stupid again, you know, let's be on a level where we were in neanderthals.

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It's just remembering that.

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And remembering what?

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Because money is, after fire and the wheel, the third most important invention.

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It's the best invention money.

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Because it represented your contribution.

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You're one of one is of doing chickens and my one of one is of doing the best hammers in the world, or the best hammers in my county.

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We can then buy nails, we can buy a hut, we can buy whatever a cart we can buy.

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I can say I whatever A cart we can buy.

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I can say he turned me on to animals.

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I'm going to raise rabbits and I can buy them with creating animals.

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So money is a system skill where you game the system.

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It is not the representation.

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So if I'm neurodiverse, I can never game the system because I don't even understand figures, flip them and whatever.

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So it's not the representation that I contribute, it is a system skill and only the ones that have the skill are extremely rich.

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And the other ones, you know, and that's why there's no middle ground, because the one, the best, game gamers, you know.

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That's why when you go to vegas there's only poker players.

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So many poker players.

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He cannot.

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Everybody you know, and millions of people like to play poker.

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but in vegas, where it is about money, there's only a certain things, and that's what happens so what would you see as, what would you see as utopic then, if we don't go back to the barter system, which I get the money part, when you've got good representation, you're absolutely, you're actually talking.

00:17:33.368 --> 00:17:38.127
I buy hammer, I make hammers, some guy at a store pays me, so he puts it on the shelf.

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He pays me.

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Now this money is my representation of my ability to barter.

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I've got it right there, so that part makes sense.

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So what would be utopia to you as far as would it be a complete human-centric life?

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No.

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Systems are very important.

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They also have always a good intent.

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There's no systems on this earth that didn't have a good intent, also had always a good intent.

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There's no systems on this earth that didn't have a good intent Starting with.

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Okay, when we live in a tribe, we have to take care of our horses, we have to get the food, all this stuff.

00:18:09.654 --> 00:18:16.787
So when one guy's really good with horses and it's not a big work frame and he loves doing horses, he's taking care of all the horses.

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The other loves to cook and he cooks.

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So actually it helps humans to do more of who they are.

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So you know not women that don't need to stand and feed their babies.

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They can go to the kindergartner, you know, in the tribe, get their thing.

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And they can go out and plant, you know, get food or shoot deer or whatever they could do.

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That because it gives you, it allows you to.

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That's why systems are awesome system.

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The problem is system have a good intent when they started but they outdated.

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So you know, from the cell phone, from our cell phones, update almost every day because they're so human centric, because if people cannot talk to each other they revolt, you know.

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So that's updated Because if people cannot talk to each other they revolt.

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So that's updated.

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But any government or anything is slowly.

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If it's not a catastrophic issue, they're not moving.

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They're not moving.

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They moved in COVID, but mostly they're all outdated.

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Because people take advantage of, because the system lives off money.

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Every system lives off money.

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Every system lives off money.

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Religion, nonprofit government, churches, they all live off.

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They don't have a spirit like we have.

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So you and I can talk and we can literally pump each other up, and it doesn't cost anything.

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It's just you and I talk, we just dance with each other, and systems always need the flow of money.

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The problem is they are not.

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What happened with money is because when it became not covered anymore by gold and when it became fiat, when it so, when it became that all of a sudden money, the financial principles that say and that's before capitalism they say it's never enough, right?

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So if you and I make 10 grand today, we cannot say okay, let's just live off the 10 grand.

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We say now, tomorrow we have to make 12 grand or the next quarter or whatever.

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So you have even quarters.

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Imagine the stress quarter or whatever.

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So you have even quarters.

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Imagine the stress that is on.

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So you pass the quarter.

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Everybody's freaking out, nobody enjoys the ride.

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The ride is never enjoyed because, oh, we finished the quarter, we surpassed the quarter.

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Imagine you surpassed.

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You're getting more stressed.

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You surpassed the quarter, you had the goals, you surpassed the goals, you had the goals, you surpassed the goals.

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Now the stockholders what are they expecting?

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You surpass it every month, every three months.

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It is such an artificial stress.

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It's not a normal stress, it's artificial.

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And that's what makes us.

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It's never enough, no matter what I do.

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But nobody and you know what?

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All the conspiracy theories that say you know only six people that run the whole world.

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If they are not feeling that they don't need to run the world, they have to all run the world, every single person.

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There's nobody excluded, not the beggar, not the billionaire.

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Whatever they do, it's never enough what they do, because the beggar and the billionaire are thinking 80% of their time here physical, a few years 80% of the time about money, the billionaire as well as the beggar.

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The billionaire is just a cleaner thing and feels more, not so lost.

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Basically, I think the beggar is free.

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It's weird.

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We have to make financial principles enough.

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As in the beggar is free.

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It's weird.

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We have to make financial principles enough, we have to get the value of enough, because in nature, balance is the superpower.

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There's not one aid that runs all Africa.

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So because the financial principles are outdated too, because it's never enough, right, it's never, you have to increase Now, they can't even see loss.

00:22:01.642 --> 00:22:04.664
Because it's never enough, right, it's never, you know, you have to increase, increase Now.

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They can't even see loss.

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They say negative growth.

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I don't know if you knew the time when they say you had a loss.

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Nobody says a loss anyway, it's all negative growth.

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So we blur each other, we lie to each other and we pretend.

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On Instagram you see two classes, the ones like the Elon Musk and the Kanye and all these people.

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And then you see the rest of us pretending to be Kanye and Elon.

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It's just, we pretend there's two classes.

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We got to find our one of oneness and be happy to embrace that, that we are one of one, and if we bring enough in the financial principles, then we can update the financial principles and value that.

00:22:43.790 --> 00:22:48.192
So when you make 10 grand today, you should be kind of rewarded.

00:22:48.192 --> 00:22:54.516
You should be, you know, tax-wise or whatever, say yeah, great, you did that Not just.

00:22:54.516 --> 00:22:55.856
You know, not just.

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No, okay, you did 10 grand tomorrow you make a million today.

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What happens?

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Everybody sucks you in and says don't pay taxes, just get another loan, so you pay less taxes.

00:23:07.371 --> 00:23:10.343
You don't owe us, so everybody owes each other.

00:23:10.343 --> 00:23:12.707
But systemically.

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I see what you're saying, yeah, yeah, so you're right, the billionaire's got the stress on him, but most billionaires I hire someone to take the stress off them.

00:23:24.354 --> 00:23:27.990
The beggar needs to know, all right, well, how am I getting my next meal?

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He's not worried about anything else.

00:23:30.027 --> 00:23:36.590
You know, he's basically got the one stress when am I going to eat, where am I going to stay, where am I going to clean up?

00:23:36.590 --> 00:23:37.865
You know basically like that.

00:23:37.865 --> 00:23:47.141
Know basically like that.

00:23:47.141 --> 00:23:57.710
So what do you think we can do as individuals to move forward and to become at least start moving into that more human-centric, as human-centric system, relevant balance, rather than you know what seems to be so off balance today?

00:23:58.711 --> 00:24:01.404
first, of all, listen to this podcast a couple of times.

00:24:01.404 --> 00:24:04.404
There's nothing to learn, there's no three steps or anything.

00:24:04.404 --> 00:24:08.113
Just being aware of it makes your life 50% easier.

00:24:08.113 --> 00:24:22.690
Because if you're just aware of this, then when your kid is sick and you're a mother and your kid is sick and I always say the same example when you call the company and say I'm sick today, the team's leader or whatever, says okay, but hurry up.

00:24:22.690 --> 00:24:29.760
You know, in a human-centric environment, an updated system, the leader would say we take care of it.

00:24:29.760 --> 00:24:33.829
Of course, because when I, my kid, gets sick, you take care of my kid.

00:24:33.829 --> 00:24:40.506
So don't worry, maria, stay home, take care of your baby and guess what?

00:24:40.506 --> 00:24:51.446
How much better she will take care of your baby instead of she feels so guilty, she's felt so guilty that she's not she letting the.

00:24:51.446 --> 00:24:55.193
She's be made guilty to let the team down.

00:24:55.193 --> 00:24:58.306
You know, you're not a team player, you know, and that's.

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Life is so much easier when you segregate the two.

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In the perspective.

00:25:04.008 --> 00:25:06.232
You say we created all the systems.

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Humans created all the systems.

00:25:07.546 --> 00:25:09.528
There's not a system that wasn't created.

00:25:09.528 --> 00:25:14.071
So how can it ever be more powerful than a human Right?

00:25:14.071 --> 00:25:20.622
How can the system demand that 650,000 humans are dead in a war.

00:25:20.622 --> 00:25:22.343
How, how, how.

00:25:22.343 --> 00:25:27.785
We created all systems Israel, palestine, gaza.

00:25:27.785 --> 00:25:30.105
We created Ukraine, russia.

00:25:30.105 --> 00:25:34.507
It's all done by humans, and we need to just get clear about that.

00:25:34.507 --> 00:25:39.669
No, we created the system, so first it's humans and then it's systems.

00:25:41.029 --> 00:25:48.231
True, true, and it's interesting that you say that about your example with the sick person and the person that had the sick child.

00:25:48.231 --> 00:26:03.837
It's so interesting that you say that because when I was working for major corporations and I was a team leader, I got reprimanded because that was my sole motto.

00:26:03.837 --> 00:26:05.558
Basically, it was my theory.

00:26:05.558 --> 00:26:18.455
It was how I manage, it was my management methodology was that my team needed to have their external pressures relieved, take care of that friction.

00:26:18.455 --> 00:26:23.813
So when they came into work, not only were they there physically, but they were there mentally right.

00:26:23.813 --> 00:26:40.182
So we made sure that we had everybody's back and I always told everybody I says listen, you know, I understand that we have clients, but my first priority is to the team, because if I take care of them, the team will take care of the company.

00:26:40.602 --> 00:26:45.125
Right, it will take care of you If you're the team leader and you have a cold when two days you're done.

00:26:45.125 --> 00:26:45.926
They know what to do.

00:26:45.926 --> 00:26:52.413
But if you are mean to them, if you push them and you're anxious, you need more money, you need to turn over.

00:26:52.413 --> 00:26:54.275
You are the true leader.

00:26:54.275 --> 00:26:56.057
A CEO is not a leader.

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He's a financial expert.

00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:01.222
A true leader is a part of the team.

00:27:01.222 --> 00:27:02.865
I said why is he part of a team?

00:27:02.865 --> 00:27:06.047
I say because I'm a leader too, you know.

00:27:06.047 --> 00:27:06.548
So I say.

00:27:07.407 --> 00:27:15.255
I talk to so many leaders and they all say the best metaphor is a leader is the one that keeps all the plates spinning.

00:27:15.255 --> 00:27:17.457
I want to assume I don't care about the red plates.

00:27:17.457 --> 00:27:18.196
Yeah, no.

00:27:18.196 --> 00:27:22.846
So how can a leader be hierarchical higher?

00:27:22.846 --> 00:27:24.671
He can't, because he's the one that keeps everybody steaming.

00:27:24.671 --> 00:27:27.028
He also, a leader has to be the most self-aware.

00:27:27.028 --> 00:27:34.114
It's not like oh, I need a tough guy that is completely numb and leads a team.

00:27:34.339 --> 00:27:40.413
You have to be the most sensitive person as a leader to keep all the plates spinning.

00:27:40.413 --> 00:27:42.688
You have to relate to every team member.

00:27:42.688 --> 00:27:46.651
You have to put the team members in the right seat and that's all human-centric.

00:27:46.651 --> 00:27:55.969
So a team leader, even a soldier, soldier is a complete human-centric job that is exploited system-relevantly.

00:27:55.969 --> 00:28:03.971
Because when nobody gets to be a soldier, that doesn't have the feeling of I want to protect the tribe by DNA.

00:28:03.971 --> 00:28:11.646
It's not like you think you want to be a soldier because, say, I'm strong, I want to protect the tribe, and the people are not even conscious of that.

00:28:11.646 --> 00:28:13.145
But that's what the movement is.

00:28:13.145 --> 00:28:14.265
You have the passion for that.

00:28:14.265 --> 00:28:17.654
You see the leaders in the military they're team members.

00:28:17.654 --> 00:28:18.400
They're team members.

00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:23.051
The only lead is team member and everybody wants to be a leader.

00:28:23.051 --> 00:28:30.027
And there's also these leader coaches all the time.

00:28:30.047 --> 00:28:31.291
I said there's not so many leaders than leader coaches.

00:28:31.291 --> 00:28:31.554
And why was?

00:28:31.554 --> 00:28:32.076
Everybody want a leader?

00:28:32.076 --> 00:28:34.663
You want to be a leader, you want to be successful, you want to be on top.

00:28:34.663 --> 00:28:41.489
And this is the biggest lie because you think then you can finally be the one-of-one that you have, make your decision and be free to make you what you think.

00:28:41.489 --> 00:28:44.839
Then you can finally be the one of one that you have, make your decision and be free to make what you think is right.

00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:54.571
And it's the biggest lie that we all tell the whole world, tells each other, because you know when you are on top, you are in the ivory tower, locked in.

00:28:54.571 --> 00:28:57.528
You are in an ivory tower, but you are locked in.

00:28:57.528 --> 00:29:00.710
You have four people that surround you that are yes-sayers.

00:29:00.710 --> 00:29:18.045
You are disconnected from humanity and that's why, when you talk to these superstars, you know and I said here, if you can prove me, if you say who you want to talk to and I think there's only one one, currently one celebrity I wanted to talk to, and that's regruen.

00:29:18.065 --> 00:29:19.429
I don't, there wouldn't be any I wouldn't talk to.

00:29:19.429 --> 00:29:20.412
That's regrowing, there wouldn't be any.

00:29:20.412 --> 00:29:21.977
That wouldn't talk to him about music.

00:29:21.977 --> 00:29:25.742
So there's only one celebrity I want to talk to.

00:29:25.742 --> 00:29:33.864
I don't want to talk to anybody, because anybody that has spotlights on them, he's disconnected, he's too long.

00:29:34.326 --> 00:29:36.406
That's why I'm so for term limits.

00:29:36.406 --> 00:29:40.446
They're long in there, they're so long disconnected.

00:29:40.446 --> 00:29:42.005
I mean, look at Biden.

00:29:42.005 --> 00:29:48.191
Biden has never been a human, he has always been a politician and I was a politician.

00:29:48.191 --> 00:29:51.189
So you are disconnected.

00:29:51.189 --> 00:29:55.488
You think you can change something and the system says, no, you can't.

00:29:55.488 --> 00:29:56.973
I'm happy that you're here.

00:29:56.973 --> 00:29:59.766
You can't change anything, you have to adapt.

00:29:59.766 --> 00:30:01.830
So they're disconnected.

00:30:01.830 --> 00:30:02.779
I mean, have to adapt, they're disconnected.

00:30:02.779 --> 00:30:05.983
I think Trump is exactly disconnected.

00:30:05.983 --> 00:30:07.249
They're not with humans.

00:30:07.249 --> 00:30:16.685
The longer you are in that position, like in the Senate and the other thing of Congress.

00:30:16.685 --> 00:30:22.787
The longer you are in there, the more you are disconnected from what you need to do.

00:30:22.787 --> 00:30:25.509
You cannot do anything because you're disconnected.

00:30:25.509 --> 00:30:35.366
You are dependent, as a politician, on news and the news and politicians are completely interconnected, codependent, and they literally believe.

00:30:35.366 --> 00:30:43.536
And the problem is when another human believes something, you believe him because you feel he believes that Other human believe something.

00:30:43.536 --> 00:30:49.692
You believe him because you feel he believes that these news corporations and politicians are in a codependent relationship and they literally believe what they're spilling out.

00:30:50.901 --> 00:30:52.126
No, and I agree with that.

00:30:52.126 --> 00:31:02.410
I always said that I'm waiting for that person, like even just a simple councilman in a city, to sit there and say all right, this is what's going to happen.

00:31:02.410 --> 00:31:03.701
This is how I'm running.

00:31:03.701 --> 00:31:04.744
This is what I promised you.

00:31:04.744 --> 00:31:23.904
Every time a bill comes up that's going to affect what's going on in our certain part of the city or in our part of the state or in the state, I'm going to send out a survey, monkey, and I'm going to get your opinion and then my team is going to tally it all up and that's how I'm going to vote.

00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:33.800
With our 17 that just got passed, where there was three different bills, you know we sent $60 million to Ukraine $33.5 billion, anyway.

00:31:33.800 --> 00:31:36.848
So that would come up and we knew it was coming up.

00:31:36.848 --> 00:31:38.621
We saw it on the news right Now.

00:31:38.621 --> 00:31:46.905
Where is the person that has a constituents that goes out and says, hits the button and says HR 17 has come up.

00:31:46.905 --> 00:31:48.144
Here's what's going on.

00:31:48.144 --> 00:31:49.784
What do you think I should do?

00:31:49.784 --> 00:31:51.148
Allie those up.

00:31:51.148 --> 00:31:53.205
We have the technology to do it.

00:31:53.205 --> 00:31:54.088
You can do it really quick.

00:31:54.088 --> 00:31:59.130
Yeah, I think our problem is, as far as that goes right to what you're saying about human participants.

00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:00.271
Is that a lot of people.

00:32:00.271 --> 00:32:07.146
They just won't participate in something like that because they get so much email, so much blah, blah, blah because of all the other systems you were mentioning.

00:32:07.146 --> 00:32:16.061
What great system would that be, where our representatives would actually have the ability to understand hey, where are my constituents coming from?

00:32:16.061 --> 00:32:26.605
And then, collectively, you've got everybody doing that, everybody actually hearing from the public when I ask you a question.

00:32:26.986 --> 00:32:28.851
See, that's why I say it, but everybody does it.

00:32:28.851 --> 00:32:30.982
Brett, I'm fighting this.

00:32:30.982 --> 00:32:37.881
I'm making people, in everything you are applying job, uh, make it opinion.

00:32:37.881 --> 00:32:38.863
They want feedback.

00:32:38.863 --> 00:32:49.268
It's never I say you gotta include other, because everybody's a one-of-one and you don't have the time to think about answers that you would like.

00:32:49.268 --> 00:32:57.327
So you have to say are you for that, are you against her or other, and allow the one-of-oneness to contribute.

00:32:57.327 --> 00:32:58.290
It doesn't.

00:32:58.290 --> 00:33:03.169
It has three, four questions and what comes out is Democrats are better, republicans doesn't.

00:33:03.169 --> 00:33:04.394
It has three, four questions and what comes out of this?

00:33:04.394 --> 00:33:05.279
Democrats are better, republicans are better.

00:33:06.207 --> 00:33:14.165
It's totally tainted and you give them an experience where they think I was a part of that, because everybody wants to be a part of it.

00:33:14.165 --> 00:33:16.887
But they're tricked.

00:33:16.887 --> 00:33:26.339
They're tricked into thinking you're part of it and then it gives them the relevancy because whatever the political poll is, it gives them the relevancy.

00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:29.464
See, the people wanted that, yeah, but you made the poll.

00:33:29.464 --> 00:33:31.929
You made the freaking poll right.

00:33:31.929 --> 00:33:35.128
You tainted the poll into left to right.

00:33:35.128 --> 00:33:38.450
You basically satisfy your lack.

00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:43.991
It's never enough what I do to keep your job, to do the least that you can do.

00:33:43.991 --> 00:33:54.167
You know this is the problem, but we can't fight systems either, because it's fighting the people that are dependent on the systems and we're fighting them.

00:33:54.167 --> 00:33:58.405
We have to be clear what is system relevance and human centricity?

00:33:58.405 --> 00:34:02.759
And we have to be on the one of oneness instead of the generalization.

00:34:03.060 --> 00:34:04.103
All humans say that.

00:34:04.103 --> 00:34:09.900
All you know, the blacks, the whites, the hispanics, the woman, the man, it's all thing.

00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:12.445
And you talked about ukraine, right?

00:34:12.445 --> 00:34:13.626
That the thing is.

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Do you know that you get put in jail if you don't pay your taxes, right, right?

00:34:18.764 --> 00:34:19.606
So who pays for the wars?

00:34:19.606 --> 00:34:20.831
The taxes you actually have don't pay your taxes, right, right?

00:34:20.831 --> 00:34:42.485
So who pays for the wars, the taxes you actually don't have the choice to say I'm absolutely for paying taxes, I'm not for no paying, I'm for paying taxes, but I'm not for contributing to kill somebody that I don't even know in another country that I don't have a beef with.

00:34:42.485 --> 00:34:54.856
It's just, we are forced, we are, humanity is forced to execute wars right now, because if you don't pay your taxes, you get in jail.

00:34:54.856 --> 00:35:03.891
So you're forced to support killing other humans and, by the way, on that trip, to killing other women.

00:35:03.891 --> 00:35:07.030
Everybody makes money from your money, right?

00:35:07.030 --> 00:35:15.161
And that's why I say wars are so outdated that in two years, I think, we stopped wars forever Because it's.

00:35:16.405 --> 00:35:17.449
Can you imagine you're Jewish?

00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:24.067
If you were Jewish or Ukrainian or Russian, the whole world is one world.

00:35:24.067 --> 00:35:26.186
I'm from Austria, I'm here.

00:35:26.186 --> 00:35:30.688
If Austria would have a war, then I would say, oh, you are Austrian, you are one of them.

00:35:30.688 --> 00:35:34.190
This generalization segregates and kills us.

00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:50.827
Can you imagine, on a higher educational level, the university where they should look at the oneness and your opinion whatever you lean to is irrelevant is now oh, you're born a Jew, you're born a Palestinian.

00:35:50.827 --> 00:35:54.128
Oh, you're bad Because you're born.

00:35:54.128 --> 00:35:55.771
It's not even your fault, it's not your choice.

00:35:55.771 --> 00:35:58.447
I understand when you say I'm Republican and Democrat.

00:35:58.447 --> 00:36:01.322
That's a choice, yeah, but you're not even.

00:36:01.322 --> 00:36:02.523
That's not even a choice.

00:36:02.523 --> 00:36:09.090
And all Jews are bad, all Palestinians are bad, all Russians are bad, everybody with a conflict.

00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:11.632
The system just says, hey, these guys are bad.

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And we all want to be safe.

00:36:12.875 --> 00:36:46.483
So we say, yeah, these guys are bad no-transcript happens.

00:36:46.523 --> 00:36:53.067
We just look at them and we're like, oh well, he's a black man, and black man is associated to being in gangs as well as being violent.

00:36:53.067 --> 00:36:57.565
So now I'm afraid of that black person, so that automatically becomes a racist thing.

00:36:57.565 --> 00:37:11.105
But you know, there there's plenty of, there's plenty of black, hispanic, latino, all those people that are just like you and me born into a nuclear family, went to school, went to college, has a job, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:11.105 --> 00:37:16.762
More of them are like that than are of the violent gang type.

00:37:16.762 --> 00:37:17.543
You know what I mean.

00:37:17.543 --> 00:37:21.985
So if we would just like you said, it's just individually.

00:37:21.985 --> 00:37:23.490
There's no such thing.

00:37:23.490 --> 00:37:27.505
You know, don't worry about, we don't take race, we don't take religion, we don't take gender, we don't have nothing.

00:37:27.505 --> 00:37:39.780
It's on that individual's ability to give of themselves to the collective, and because they give of themselves, they get to, they receive as well.

00:37:39.780 --> 00:37:42.784
Yeah, now what do you think about individually?

00:37:42.784 --> 00:37:44.806
So we're stuck in this world, right?

00:37:44.806 --> 00:37:54.054
How can we as individuals live a more human-centric, system-relevant, balanced life?

00:37:55.094 --> 00:37:56.096
Awareness is key.

00:37:56.096 --> 00:37:59.384
Awareness Because awareness okay is key.

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That's awareness because awareness, okay.

00:38:00.329 --> 00:38:01.496
So remember, they had in the hospitals.

00:38:01.496 --> 00:38:14.793
They gave the hysterical woman that were pregnant in the maternity ward cigarettes, right, and even the doctors were saying camel and jester fields are the best cigarettes that most doctors smoke.

00:38:14.793 --> 00:38:21.153
When the awareness became, there was no demonstration, there was nothing.

00:38:21.153 --> 00:38:31.710
The people just said I think it's good to make money, that you make money with that, but it's actually bad for the kids and it's bad for you know, they were just aware.

00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:35.365
The people became aware and enough people became aware.

00:38:35.365 --> 00:38:42.132
There were no demonstrations, nothing, and they just say the system, because the system cannot function without humans.

00:38:42.132 --> 00:38:43.804
So the system did.

00:38:43.804 --> 00:38:51.271
The hospitals did one thing Unscrewed the ashtrays, put a non-smoking sticker and no smoking.

00:38:51.271 --> 00:38:51.773
That's it.

00:38:51.773 --> 00:38:54.987
And it was the awareness.

00:38:54.987 --> 00:38:59.768
It wasn't the fight for, it was the fight against, because that's always amplifying.

00:38:59.768 --> 00:39:02.242
That's why I say this is really good with.

00:39:02.402 --> 00:39:27.329
People want to just think about this, because you're one of one and if you listen to our episode here, you contribute unconsciously to it by being aware and discussing it with your family or discuss as oh yeah, actually, because it resonates, because I am never doing anything for any group I'm saying our common denominator is humanity.

00:39:27.329 --> 00:39:36.445
For me, whatever I put out can be used by every human to get clearer, or it doesn't have to be used.

00:39:36.445 --> 00:39:46.630
I'm not forcing them, I'm just saying I have awareness, you and, and that I became aware of, to my hardship and tribulations, and I'm sharing it with you.

00:39:46.630 --> 00:39:48.701
So, first of all, you have a hard life too.

00:39:48.701 --> 00:39:57.565
We give you a really wide perspective of being human, you know, and how important it is to be one of one and not oh, brad, you're wrong.

00:39:57.565 --> 00:39:59.869
You know, michael, you're wrong, you know, michael, you're wrong.

00:39:59.869 --> 00:40:00.711
Ah, you're right.

00:40:00.711 --> 00:40:01.853
No, there is no.

00:40:01.853 --> 00:40:02.963
And what we?

00:40:03.083 --> 00:40:11.074
I'm doing some tests right now with communication and we find out when you have a human-centric conversation, which I also found out in podcasts.

00:40:11.074 --> 00:40:18.630
So we had four people that had human-centric conversation and we contributed by a word, by equality.

00:40:18.630 --> 00:40:31.152
The four people said complete different things about equality, but it made it so beautiful and I found this over and over that humans aren't right or wrong.

00:40:31.152 --> 00:40:34.369
They're all right because they are one of one perspective.

00:40:34.369 --> 00:40:43.987
So I love your perspective, your questions that you ask me, because it opens my perspective, my one-on-one perspective, and that's the human potential.

00:40:43.987 --> 00:40:46.880
So I get a little feeling, a crisp of wow.

00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:52.699
Experience the human potential grow and seeing the limitlessness of that one-on-one.

00:40:52.699 --> 00:40:53.882
Is that I am and you are.

00:40:53.882 --> 00:40:55.025
Wow.

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Dancing with each other is the key.

00:40:56.949 --> 00:41:02.264
That is the key, and it just blows you away when you experience that and nobody can take this away.

00:41:02.264 --> 00:41:05.744
My conversation with you is one of one.

00:41:05.744 --> 00:41:06.867
We can't repeat it.

00:41:06.867 --> 00:41:11.202
We can do another episode, but we can't repeat it and that's magic.

00:41:11.202 --> 00:41:13.851
That's magic, that's wow.

00:41:13.851 --> 00:41:16.025
One of a kind Nobody can copy it.

00:41:17.148 --> 00:41:26.121
Oh, that's true, and with all the new apps that are coming out, well, they had clubhouse for a little while, where they actually had rooms where you actually were able to talk, and that was kind of neat.

00:41:26.121 --> 00:41:28.387
It's kind of starting to go away now.

00:41:28.387 --> 00:41:31.641
There's some other ones now that are coming out camera, what it's called.

00:41:31.641 --> 00:41:38.626
There's an app where you make comments on people's posts, but you know it's all voice, it literally all voice.

00:41:38.626 --> 00:41:40.751
So it's almost like having a conversation.

00:41:40.751 --> 00:41:43.907
You can hear it, you can see it and it's pretty neat.

00:41:43.907 --> 00:41:44.530
I'll have to get that.

00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:45.786
I'll put that down in the show notes.

00:41:45.786 --> 00:41:49.471
So I just want to say that this has been like eye-opening.

00:41:49.471 --> 00:41:54.911
You have a podcast called the Smart of Art 30 seconds.

00:41:55.311 --> 00:41:58.264
30 seconds Because I couldn't do it with my neurodiversity.

00:41:58.264 --> 00:42:01.572
It takes me as long as you do an episode.

00:42:01.572 --> 00:42:06.550
It takes me 30 seconds because it's so hard for me to do it so I couldn't even do it.

00:42:06.550 --> 00:42:09.186
So I don't have any interviews that I give.

00:42:10.445 --> 00:42:13.025
Oh no, but it's fascinating and that's what I wanted to.

00:42:13.025 --> 00:42:23.766
I just want to let people know that you know the smart of art, and the book is called the Smart of Art, the New Art Consciousness, to Awaken Our Enthusiasm for Art, and that's available on Amazon.

00:42:23.766 --> 00:42:29.690
I will make sure I would link that in the show notes along with your socials.

00:42:29.690 --> 00:42:37.228
Let me ask a question is what is, I guess, say what is your most popular social that people can connect with you on?

00:42:38.721 --> 00:42:47.128
MichaelMcom that's my website, michaelmcom, because it gets you everywhere, and I think we should also add the human-centric system relevant.

00:42:47.128 --> 00:43:01.739
I have an article I did for LinkedIn and if you need the link or a PDF to add it to your episode, so people, if they have any questions after our talk, after listening to this episode, it makes this crystal clear and it really will elevate.

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:14.211
At 52, I was hitting the wall and after 52, after writing the book where I segregated the journey from the product, nothing has changed.

00:43:14.211 --> 00:43:17.487
I don't make more money, I don't have a new girlfriend, I have nothing.

00:43:17.487 --> 00:43:32.302
It's just the awareness of wow, we all these because 80 of our problems come from system relevancy right, but, yeah, kind of infatuated with the podcast was the 30 seconds, you know.

00:43:32.322 --> 00:43:33.606
I mean because it's so relevant.

00:43:33.606 --> 00:43:42.201
Everything that he, every nugget that he talks about there is relevant and you'll take something away from every single one of them.

00:43:42.201 --> 00:43:45.958
I'll make sure I link that and definitely you've got to read the LinkedIn article.

00:43:45.958 --> 00:43:55.054
That is an amazing piece of writing and it'll really go into detail on human-centric and system relevance.

00:43:55.054 --> 00:43:59.123
So, but this has been fascinating and I really appreciate you.

00:43:59.123 --> 00:44:00.306
Joining us Michael no, I love it too.

00:44:00.306 --> 00:44:00.686
Joining us Michael?

00:44:00.706 --> 00:44:07.894
No, I love it too, because every interview is different, even though we talk in the same context, but every it's one of one.

00:44:07.894 --> 00:44:14.891
That's and I'm proving what I preach that because you can listen to every of my interviews and you won't say, oh, they're the same.

00:44:14.891 --> 00:44:18.971
You won't because it's because every other human I dance with human.

00:44:18.971 --> 00:44:23.047
No, I won't because it's because every other human I dance with human.

00:44:23.047 --> 00:44:24.835
No, I just like you ask me in between and that's the dancing, and it's, it's always.

00:44:24.835 --> 00:44:26.521
And you get something that other people don't get.

00:44:26.521 --> 00:44:27.965
You know so.

00:44:28.666 --> 00:44:30.030
And the smart of what podcast?

00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:32.820
The 30 seconds is all about our first superpower.

00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:34.865
The first superpower is creation.

00:44:34.865 --> 00:44:44.050
You create a podcast, you have a business, you create a cookie thing, whatever you create, and to be aware how powerful that creation is.

00:44:44.050 --> 00:44:53.280
It's about creating art and creativity and it's a question and it's a statement.

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:58.768
And it's a question and it's made in that way that your uniqueness can answer it, not that there is no perfect answer.

00:44:58.768 --> 00:45:07.166
All my questions are questions that you can use, for you are one of eight billion people and you can use it for that.

00:45:07.166 --> 00:45:10.233
And the question whatever, there's no right answer.

00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.103
Oh man, that's powerful right there.

00:45:13.103 --> 00:45:15.865
And so again, thank you so much.

00:45:15.865 --> 00:45:24.315
This has been eye-opening and I am going to leave us with a quote from the musical rent.

00:45:24.315 --> 00:45:37.164
The quote is the opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation I proved that in the last article I wrote I proved that in the article I wrote about war.

00:45:37.164 --> 00:45:39.929
Yeah, so just remember that, folks.

00:45:39.929 --> 00:45:41.853
The opposite of war isn't peace.

00:45:41.853 --> 00:45:43.864
All right, everybody, Until next time.

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This is Brad and Michael, and we will see you in the next one.