Spiritual Awakening Through Adversity with Kerie Logan

Brad Minus: And welcome back to another episode of Life Changing Challengers. Ladies and gentlemen, I gotta tell you, I have Carrie Logan with me today, and this woman has accomplished more in her life than like many of us do in like 10 lifetimes. the amount of, knowledge and experience and mentorship that she's grown through, you're gonna be absolutely amazed at what this woman can do, by helping people.

So, Carrie, how are you doing today? 

Kerie Logan: I'm doing fantastic, Brad. Thank you for asking. 

Brad Minus: Oh, no. Listen, this is such a pleasure for me. But as always, let me ask you this. Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood?

You know, a little bit about, you know, where you grew up, what was the compliment of your family, and what was it like to be Carrie as a kid? 

Kerie Logan: So I was born in the Bay Area, California and I was born in Richmond, California. And it was really why I really appreciated growing up there for the part of my elementary, school childhood is everyone played with everybody there was no discrimination there, there was no judgment.

It was beautiful. It was really nice. And why I say that is when my parents divorced, my mom moved to Marin County and Marin County is not to be rude or disrespectful, it's very snobby. It's very stuffy and uptight it was challenging for me because I couldn't understand or comprehend why people would discriminate against one another.

And I mean people that were less than them, financially less than them. And so a good example is when I was in high school, a lot of my friends, when they turned 16, they got a BMW or a Mercedes. They got their parents' credit card, they got a gas card. it was extreme wealth. And I would take the bus to school, or I would walk several miles to get back home.

And I even lied when I was a freshman in high school, said I was 17 and I got a job at Burger King. Yeah, exactly, because I had to start, I had to help out, I had to start paying my mom rent. I had to buy my clothing, my toiletries and stuff. It was, it was really a tough time.

But I appreciate that. I really do. It taught me some really good, you know, core values, and worth that ethics. It was really important. So I don't look back at that as anything negative. I actually look at it as, you know, as a blessing because I didn't know, I wasn't invited to parties or anything like that, and I was not willing to conform, and I'm not a people pleaser.

when I say that, I wasn't willing to give up my sense of self to please other people that. I just couldn't relate to. And I saw just how people were mean and petty and just not very kind. and even some teachers I saw that just, you know, weren't very great. Now, I'll give an good example of that.

My Mr. Thomas, my English teacher, and of course we remember those names, Mr. Thomas. I became best friends with a basketball player and he was a really cool guy. And I told him, I don't think he likes me. And he, and I said, he grades me so unfairly on my paper and I can prove it. Do you wanna do a test with me?

And he said, okay, what do you wanna do? I said, I'm gonna write your paper and you write my paper and we're gonna see what the grade is. And when we got the grade, he was like, oh my god. He, yeah, I mean, his paper got a C minus my paper got an A plus. I, it was just, yeah, I know you're laughing at it, but No, no, 

Brad Minus: may, yeah, no, I've seen it happen and, it's too bad that there's features like that because most of 'em aren't, 

Kerie Logan: most of 'em No, I, I, I know.

And so my, my childhood was really teaching me to honor myself and be authentic regardless of how other people act or, or behave or, or treat one another. And I really wanted to find quality people. My, my mindset was I'd rather have a small handful of really close people that I know care about me and can depend on me than a group of people that just don't give a rip and would never be there for me during a crisis.

Brad Minus: Yeah, that makes sense. I think I still was more of a people pleaser. I only had a few close friends and I treasured those people I think they did, actually four of them.

we still make sure that we see each other 30, 40 years later. So, but, yeah. No, I get that. So obviously you had to work and everything else I usually would ask the question of did you do any kind of extracurricular activities while you were in school? But it sounds like you were working.

Kerie Logan: I was working, yeah. I mean, I was working and then in the summertime I babysitted a lot of people's children. One time I watched a kid for a whole summer and people thought that that was my child. And I'm like, no, I'm babysitting. 

Brad Minus: Oh my God, you became a, you, that was the word nanny right there.

So, all right, so then you got through school, obviously you did well. Where did you go to, where'd you go to university? First time 

Kerie Logan: I went to College of Marin and that's where I studied photography and psychology, 

Brad Minus: photography and psychology.

Kerie Logan: I know 

Brad Minus: now as a, as a amateur photographer myself, it actually does make more, more sense once you get into it. Yeah. That those two actually go together. but most people, you know, because most people would be thinking, okay, this is, you know, photography on the left brain side, and psychology on the right brain side.

Yeah. yeah. That's super interesting that you did that. That's awesome. 

Kerie Logan: Yes. And I realized Two important things in doing that, that with the photography side, I met a lot of starving photographers that literally were honest with me and said, it's quite a bit of a struggle. You need to have a second job.

And so I appreciated and respected their advice. Then on the psychology side, I really liked it, but I felt like there was something more that was missing and it brought me to, where I am today. 'cause all the things that I've achieved, wanting to find the missing pieces.

So I had an unfortunate situation where Something happened with my mom and I had to move out and drop out of college. I couldn't complete it. so I had to go into work full time, like most people. you try to make ends meet, put a roof over your head and feed yourself.

I didn't get my first car until I was 19. I had to buy that. Right. It's not like my friends were, oh, I got a brand new car. You know, the gas card. So 

Brad Minus: where were you working? 

Kerie Logan: I ended up doing a few jobs where I used to work for, Fetzer Vineyards. Have you heard of that wine?

Yeah. Yep. So I worked for them when it was actually a family owned company and then Brown Foreman, who owns Southern Comfort, Jack Daniels, it's a big international company. They bought that. And so I ended up working for them for about almost five years. And then I had the opportunity to do what I was, where I actually moved up to Oregon and I worked for Willamette Valley Vineyards and I was the sales rep manager for the whole state of Oregon and Washington.

And I did super, super good. I was the first person to start the. Wine tasting stewards in Costco. I was able to get the Riesling wine to be number one in a certain grocery store that's local here in Oregon. And I did great. But the bad thing is when nine 11 happened, the economy tanked. I mean, it tanked everywhere.

Mm-hmm. And I was running out of my second round of unemployment benefits and I, I was gonna become homeless. I literally, and I was a single mom at the time, I was gonna be, become homeless. I went and talked to a family friend and I said, I don't know what to do. I am so lost. And I don't know if you believe in this Brad, but she gave me a reading and she said, you've done everything you need to do here in Oregon.

You're gonna move back to California. And the perfect job is waiting there for you. And I looked at her and I'm like, I can't do that. I can't, I can't afford to move back there. It's just way too expensive. And she said, no, what you're meant to do is back there and the job will be handed to you. 

And so like most people, you don't wanna take their advice, right? Because that's a huge leap, right? A huge transition. but when it got closer and closer to me, literally being evicted and having to be homeless and live in a shelter with my daughter, I was like, I just can't do that. I can't. So I called a family friend in the Sacramento area and I told 'em my situation and I asked if I could stay with them and look for work.

And she said yes. So the state actually helped me, put myself stuff in storage. They paid for it. And I loaded anything I could in my car and I drove back to California and a week later I got a call about my resume that was on monster.com and the guy wanted to meet me. He's like, Hey, can you be here in about an hour and a half?

I totally wanna meet you and talk to you about this job. And all they said on the job was they wanted someone with sales and marketing experience and wanted to make the world a better place. And I was like, that's me. 

Brad Minus: Absolutely. 

Kerie Logan: And so when I got there, it was positive changes, hypnosis, and I was blown away.

When my mom divorced my dad, she took a spiritual route. She really struggled with the Catholic faith and went into spirituality, and so she became a member of the Inner Peace Movement that was in Berkeley, California. So I grew up with meditation, guided visualization angels, giving card readings.

working with your spirit guides and stuff. I found it so fascinating in these group of women that would come together. It was beautiful. It was just so nice. It was a big difference. And so I told him, Hey, I know all about hypnosis and meditation. I believe in that stuff.

It's so cool. He's giving me the tour of this new facility. And I'm sitting in the conference room and I show him my binder. It's like three inches thick of all my accomplishments and letters of recommendation. I said, Hey, you wanna see my portfolio? And he is like, oh, no, I, you already got the job. I knew I was gonna hire you the minute I read your resume.

You know you're hired. And I was just like, what? And the really cool thing is the owner wanted me to get trained in hypnotherapy. he was gonna pay for it and everything. Wow. And I said, I said okay. And so I got training in the weight loss, stopped smoking, cancer childbirth, personal change addictions.

I got my nutrition background through there through coaching. And in 2004 I got the award for the best coach of the year 

Brad Minus: amazing. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. And they had 65 centers. I mean, they even recorded me to show people, this is how you do these presentations to people about nutrition, which was really cool.

Michael Porter was my district manager. And we became best buds because. He loved my spiritual side. And one day I came out and I kind of confessed to him about what I really do with the clients, why I was so good.

And here's the hard part, he said, Carrie, you can't do that. We're a franchise now. You know, you go to McDonald's, you expect the same exact burger that you would get in a different state or a different country, but you, you're like, oh, I got this secret sauce. It's gonna be perfect for you. He said, you just can't do that.

So he was very con and it was nice. He was like, I've met hundreds of hypnotherapist, but I've never met anyone like you. And as soon as I knew about your spiritual side, he was like, that's the cherry on top. He is like, you are too good for this place. You need to have your own business. And so he gave me $500 worth of.

Web development software and said, start your business online. He said, start it. He's like, you can't advertise hypnosis for two years. 'cause you know you have that agreement. Yeah. but you can say meditation. He said, go for it. He was all, all for it. Wow. because he knew that I am, I'm an intu, I'm intuitive and I'm an empath.

And sometimes I can just pick up on things and I can read people and they'll be like, how did you know that? Or, why would you say that? And it would just come out of me. I, I knew what the person needed to change, or the better way to put it is, you know, what speaks to me, whether it's my, my angels or guides, whatever, is knew exactly what would help this person.

Huh. And I follow it, and I listen to it, and it's never been wrong. It's always been really nice and very kind, helping people. And so the kicker is, it was the day before Thanksgiving and I got in a disagreement with the receptionist and I went to my manager and I said, I think she's trying to get me fired.

And she said, actually she is. And here's your final check. Yep. And I looked at her, Brad, and I was like, what? You can't do this to me. I'm the best one here. I've got like three months of clients booked with you guys. You know, can't we work this out? And she said, no, because she's family and you're not. and the owner of the store was her sister.

and because I wasn't family, I had to go. I like the owner 

Brad Minus: of the store. 

Kerie Logan: Yep. 

Brad Minus: The owner of the franchise. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. So when you buy a franchise, so like Taco Bell? 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: It would be owned by someone local. Yeah, yeah. Right, because it was, it was a franchise, so, okay. The, the one person that own that was in the Bay Area had four different centers and her sister worked at one as a receptionist at one of the locations and she was the one that I got in a disagreement with.

But here's the key important thing is when I got home, I prayed and I was like, God, if this is my calling, my gift that everyone says is my calling. 'cause I love what I do and I'm good at it. Gimme a sign that's so clear I can't mistake it. Gimme a sign. And so when I finish praying, I call that woman. That got me fired.

I left her a voicemail and I thanked her for firing me. And I said, I'm gonna look back at this one day as a blessing in disguise. So thank you. I forgive you. I hold no bitterness towards you. The very next day Thanksgiving, a client that became friends with me, came over and she was like, I am so sorry this happened to you.

I don't understand why they're doing this. You are so talented and I wanna help you out. I've been sitting on this nest egg and I wanna give you this gift, no strings attached. And she handed me a Thanksgiving card and inside the card was a check for $10,000. Whoa. And she said, I want you to start your own business.

And when I told Michael Porter what happened, he said, Carrie, the universe had to kick you in the butt because you were so loyal and dedicated, you would not have left on your own. He was right. And now, you know, I help people all over the globe. I've made a meditation for a Buddhist monk.

Brad Minus: wait, wait. That's like you made a meditation for, for a Buddhist monk with the Buddhism is meant, is all based in meditation. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. I've worked with a Catholic nun that, had PTSD and in two sessions it was gone. and even she said to me one time, she's like, do you know God talks to you? And I was like, how do you know? And she said, because when I was sitting here in the chair and you were talking to me, everything you said and described I saw before you said it, she said, it was like you were holding my hand walking with me.

And I said, I was. Because I close my eyes, I listen and I say what they want me to say to you. And it came, it just comes out. you and I were connected and we were one, and they knew exactly what you needed to change and to heal and it worked. And I said, so, you know, don't question it. Just, just go for it.

So I guess you could say I am an intuitive hypnotherapist. 'cause I've gotten to the place, I don't use scripts anymore. I mean, I've been doing this for a little over 20 years. I know what to say and it's kind of like, I think about it as baking a cake. Everyone is different. Some like chocolate, some like vanilla, some need metaphors, some people need parts therapy or inner child work or future pacing.

I mean, there's all these different techniques that, can support a person. So you gotta find the right mixture that's gonna, give them relief. And there's even, generational trauma. I mean, that's a huge one I've been diving into right now of how to clear generational trauma in people. I did a podcast episode where I actually did a trade with a podcaster and I said, 'cause he was fascinated with what I do.

and he wanted to focus on money. And so I did the coaching, with him and I said, okay, I'm gonna make you accustom. 'cause you have generational trauma around money. And what it was is he grew up seeing his dad always make bad choices with money, bad investments. And his grandfather did the same thing.

And he picked up that habit, that belief, that mentality where he was sabotaging himself. And so when I cleared that in his subconscious mind, all these opportunities of money came in. he wasn't stuck in fear or lack anymore. He was satisfied and content with money. And he had a beautiful relationship now with money.

And I know it was amazing. It's pretty cool how it works, Brett. 

Brad Minus: So that's interesting. you started in hypnotherapy. I mean, obviously you had a couple years of psychology classes and experienced in sales, which is pretty much psychology.

I can give you an instance of that, but then all of a sudden you went from hypnotherapy, but there's a lot of other techniques on your website and in your bio, NLP So, my question to you, I've that training 

Kerie Logan: through them too. NLP is neurolinguistic programming, right? So that's where there's parts therapy, there's future pacing, there's, redirecting, building rapport, negotiating.

there's all kinds of things in NLP. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. And I had somebody else that did NLP and, if I can remember who it was, I'll put a link up there for those watching YouTube. did you start adding on to your, let's call it a repertoire. due to the fact that there were people that you couldn't help and this was a way for you to, you know, I can't find a solution for this person.

I need another skill. And then you add another skill. Is that how that goes about? Or did everything just kind of, you know, did you just learn all this stuff in one fall swoop and now you've just been honing your skills? 

Kerie Logan: I'm a person that loves to learn. Okay. And before I got hired as a hypnotherapist, I was reading books about meditation.

I was reading stuff about creative visualization. I was listening to a lot of, dived into a lot of spiritual stuff. I tried to get as much information as I could and as many, books that I could, learn or audio books that I can listen to.

And I think what made me really go down the path of mental health, 'cause I, I took like kind of a detour in a way where I ended up having a child with someone that was narcissistic. when you have that experience, you gotta find a way out or else you're gonna keep attracting that same exact person over and over and over.

And so I dived into educating myself about the different types of narcissism and toxic behaviors At one point when I was in the relationship, a psychologist said, do you know your ex is a narcissist? And I was like, what do you mean? I looked it up and the first common one was the grandiose.

And I was like, no, he doesn't fit that profile. You know, he's nerdy and shy and drives a viol at Kia. You know, it's just like, no, he's not that way. So I dismissed it. Like most people, he was a covert, right? And those ones are quiet and shy and very dangerous. And so, I like to say he was my greatest teacher.

he really was. And I learned to find compassion and forgiveness through my wanting to learn about him. How was he created? How, you know, what are the toxic behaviors? So then when he would act out, I don't take it personally anymore. I wouldn't because I understand the way his brain is wired.

Okay. And it took me down the path of learning how to communicate with difficult people and how, and it's hard because when you deal with someone that is narcissistic or toxic, they're not solution oriented. They're all about themselves. And so there are ways that you can talk to them and can be very effective.

I'm the author of the Undetected Narcissist. I'm Angela Meyer. I did the podcast for three years of the undetected narcissist. 

Brad Minus: Wow. 

Kerie Logan: I did a three part series about that. can a narcissist change? 'cause I've actually helped some narcissist people become better human beings 'cause they wanted to be. And the cool thing is when I've done my public speaking presentations, I've had narcissist people come up and actually thank me for helping them better understand themselves and their brain and how they were created and how to communicate.

And the coolest thing they all said, every single one that's come up is they can feel when they are slipping from their frontal cortex brain into the lizard limb brain, you know, the survival brain. You can feel that happening, that shift. And so what I would tell 'em to do is that self-awareness and that's beautiful.

You should be so proud of yourself that you are self-aware. Now it would you like a suggestion? I don't offer it. I say, would you like a suggestion, you know, of what to do? And of course, you know, a lot of 'em were like, yes, What can I do? And I said, so when you feel yourself slipping, and let's say you get in an argument with your wife or significant other say to that person, I am getting really triggered right now and I care about you and I don't wanna say or do anything that's gonna damage or destroy this relationship.

So I need to step away and calm down 'cause you're important to me and this relationship's important to me. And I said, if anyone said that to me, I'd be like, cool, thank you. you're making that choice to take the high road instead of the low road.

Brad Minus: All on this topic. 'cause I don't usually like to do this 'cause I like my stuff evergreen. But I'm gonna ask you two questions. Yep. They're both yes or no questions. Yep. And I want you to answer yes or no to each one of them. one of them, well, if you answer yes to one of them, the next one is gonna be mute.

but this is March. This is the middle of March, 2025. Like I said, I like things to be evergreen. So we'll just take this one little bit. Is our current president a narcissist? 

Kerie Logan: A hundred percent, yes. 

Brad Minus: Is our current president a dangerous narcissist? 

Kerie Logan: hundred percent yes, because We are disposable.

Brad Minus: Okay. We're gonna, that's, like I said, I don't wanna go political. but I was very, very interested in that. 'cause there's so many different, opinions on what's going on. I do believe he's a narcissist. I don't believe he's dangerous. That's just me. That's just my opinion. And I can back it up.

That, and that's it. That's it. I'm stopping. Yeah. Okay. alright. So, I've actually got three or four other episodes on women that have gone through relationships with narcissism, or narcissistic, Partner. going back real quick, so Angela Meyer, is that the pseudonym or is Carrie Logan the pseudonym?

Kerie Logan: Yeah, no, my real name's Carrie Logan. Okay. I picked that name because I just didn't want my, I mean, I didn't tell my family that I wrote that book for probably like a year or two. And when I finally came out and told my younger brother what I wrote, he was like, oh my God, good for you. And I was afraid that he was just gonna be like, no, why'd you do this?

But he was very positive and supportive. But I was nervous at first to be like, no, that's me, dude. I'm talking all about narcissism and trying to educate people about trauma, bonding relationships and why everyone should be trauma informed. the area about the autism in my bio is my son has autism.

he has taught me a lot because he got traumatized by the whole experience. So he developed what you would call PDA, which is pathological demand avoidance. a lot of people don't know about that because it's not in the DSM five, but it is under the umbrella of autism. my theory is when it comes to attachment styles, most children have a secure attachment with their parents.

Mm-hmm. All right. When the parent, a lot of, and this happens to a lot of kids, especially autistic kids, if a parent doesn't know that child has autism, the child can then develop what you call an anxious attachment style because the parent's really confused, I don't know how to communicate with this kid.

I don't know how to, connect with this child. Because for a lot of kids that have autism in the beginning, some of them are nonverbal, they can't talk. And my son was that way. So what happened with my son is when someone is authoritarian and trying to force this child to do something that it doesn't wanna do and they can't communicate properly, this kid can learn not to trust authority figures.

Brad Minus: Mm-hmm. 

Kerie Logan: and it creates this, it's where the child has to mask. And a lot of people don't know about masking. And let's be honest, Brad, how many of us mask? All of us do. 

Brad Minus: But at one point or another, there's always a situation where you feel you gotta put a mask on.

Kerie Logan: It's like, I hate it when you go to the grocery store and someone says, oh, how are you today? You're not gonna say, oh, my day's crappy. You're gonna be like, oh, I'm okay. And you're lying. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. and to me, the funny thing is, is that my grandfather did that my whole life.

He, every time he greet me, Hey, How are you, how are you? And so I picked it up and I still do it today. but I really try very hard to be sincere. I consciously have found that I get sincere.

You know, when I talk to somebody, I'm like, Hey, how are you? You know, and I'm sincere and I really wanna know how they're feeling. Yeah. And I've like turned it around. I've come to the point where I'm like, you know, those people that I care about, I really like, look right at them, and I make sure that they understand that.

no, no, no. This is the sincere question, and I do really wanna know. But some of the others, you know, people that you see on the street, the zoo, the Uber driver. Hey, hey, how you doing? You know? Right. And it's a throwaway and I make sure that they realize it's a throwaway, 

No, no, no. And it drives me insane and I hear it come out of my mouth and I'm like, do you really care how they all, you don't. But it's, I think it's more sociological than psychological. Psychological, yeah. Yeah. If that's, yeah. Is that what you think? you have this amazing repertoire of titles.

just looking at one of the profiles is like empowerment strategist. Therapist, spiritual advisor. And you've covered the empowerment strategist and the spiritual advisor. Author. We got that. Yep. Blogger, of course. Public speaker and podcaster. Yep. we've covered all that except for, therapist is a very clinical definition 

You, and so I, my next question is, did you ever get a chance to go back to school? 

Kerie Logan: I took a lot of courses in, and I'm working on finishing up this one course, and getting, licensed in. This is a, trauma specialist, like a trauma recovery therapist. I forget what the exact title is, but I'm working on completing that and getting that.

'cause the hard part that My husband discovered, and a lot of other people discovered, is I've learned, so take so many courses and so much stuff to let's say, help my child and help, people that I work with and also to help me because I was traumatized by the whole experience, is I can sit down with a therapist, a counselor, a psychologist, a psychiatrist, and I can talk on the same exact level.

And it freaks my husband out. He's like, I don't know how you do this. You're so smart. and I, I told him, I said, that's my dilemma is, yeah, I could go back and finish my degree and stuff and, you know, it would take a few years, but I don't wanna do that. It's, I just don't feel it. And, 'cause I. I don't wanna be a social worker, I don't wanna be a counselor.

And you know, in some ways, yes I am. I am a, you know, a therapist, a lot of the things that I talk about and discuss with people, but I look at it is, and this is the heart, and I think this is why I steered away from psychology is it's so easy to put someone in a box. It's so easy to label someone and just put that sticker on them.

And to me, I don't like labels. I really don't. And I don't like to put a person in a box. And I like to look at it as everything someone is struggling with is just temporary. It's not permanent. And there are you know, to me there can be solutions out there to help you, find things.

And it, it's weird because I do free consultations with people over the phone and I can talk to someone for about, 10, 15 minutes. And a lot of them say, I've been in therapy for years. but you nailed me in 10 minutes. How do you do that? You just got me like that and I'm just, I have a knack for that ability.

I don't like it when, like, here's a good example. someone that I really care about. I convinced them to get into therapy to try to start EMDR. and I know this therapist, she's actually a friend of mine. 

Brad Minus: Okay. Let just define EMDR before you go 

Kerie Logan: EMDR is, a form of trauma therapy. It's eye rapid movement. desensitation. you're looking at either a light bar or someone's finger and they go back and forth, back and forth it's really cool if you understand the science behind it. when you get traumatized and you go to sleep at night, if your brain can't process that whole traumatic experience properly, it gets stuck, is what I understand.

those memories, it gets stuck. The trauma gets stuck. And what EMDR does, and I've actually. Done it several times myself with, the person that's a therapist, that's my friend. 

Brad Minus: Mm-hmm. 

Kerie Logan: you relive those memories, but you're looking at it from an outside perspective as if you're watching a movie on the screen.

Brad Minus: Yep. 

Kerie Logan: and your eyes are going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and you're processing it and you're watching it, and it's pretty powerful stuff. I mean, I, I'll give a good example where when I had it done for me, I, there's a family member of mine that was very abusive. And when my older brother died, that person was there helping with the estate.

And when I saw them I was like, Hey, how you doing? you look great and everything, it's nice to see you. And they went over to my younger brother and they were like, what's wrong with her? Is she on drugs? Because I wasn't like hiding and I wasn't like, oh God, he's here.

Right? I wasn't negative or complaining or anything. I was just like, I am free of you, dude. you know, all the things you did in the past, it just doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter. And that's why I, really dived into the trauma part is because when we don't clear ourselves of that stuff, that person can live rent free in our mind and even be dead.

And they're wreaking havoc on our life. 

Brad Minus: I get that. interesting that it sounds like e ERDM, E-M-D-R-E-M-D-R is the result comes from the, a same thing that I had that, that I had gone through. with some trauma myself. where after this situation, basically was seeing chaplains I was in the military, seeing chaplains and other people and going through, and all of a sudden what they made us do, and it was, it was a, it was a experimental, therapy where they didn't, where they're doing everything problem, they were doing everything possible to get ahead of PTSD, 

And so they did everything possible. Like, oh, you've just been through this. we're gonna throw you into this program and see how it works. And it was just kind of, but they were very particular about who they put in it. And, basically what they did was they made us tell the story of what happened.

They made us write it, they made us tell it again. They made us like, tell it backwards. and over and over again. So I must have told the story a hundred times before I left country. And then a, you wrote it 50, 60 times then, then got into another station and, and that was another two, 300 times that I had to tell the story and then, you know what I mean, to the point where just like you said is exactly the way you mentioned that was the same thing.

Kerie Logan: Yep. It's 

Brad Minus: a movie. Yep. I'm so distanced from it. 

Kerie Logan: Yes. 

Brad Minus: That I could talk about it freely without any issues and I don't get any. Flash, you're not getting triggered.

Flashbacks. I'm not getting triggered. I'm not getting flashbacks. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Nothing. 'cause it's so, I think about it the same way I think about my favorite movie. You know, I don't like living, going through it again. You know, that's a whole thing.

But it's on the same wavelength, you know, so. Right. it's interesting. 

Kerie Logan: that's the hard part is a lot of people think that story defines them. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Kerie Logan: And that it's part of who they are. And some people use their story for sympathy. You know, they used it to get something from another person and manipulation and Yeah.

And it's sad. And there's been moments where I remember one time this woman, I was working with her, she was in a lot of pain, and She was wondering why she couldn't get out of pain. And I said, well, I'm gonna ask you this question and please don't take it wrong, but I need to ask you this.

I said, I think why you haven't been getting out of pain is because you are invested in it. Because you know, and I know that when you do recover from the pain, you're gonna have to go back to work and you don't wanna go back to work. So am I correct? And she looked at me like, oh my God. I mean, it's like I read her like a book.

Brad Minus: you were, you I've been found out. 

Kerie Logan: yes. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. And it's so interesting because I talk to people that have been through similar situations that I was in, and I was like, well, tell me about it. He goes, oh, I can't, oh, I can't even think about reliving it 

And I was wondering if that's the thing, you know what I mean? if they would go through what I went through, would they have the same experience or are there different types of people where No, if he had to keep telling him that, that would actually ruin them. So to me, I thought about the people that weren't picked and the people that were, and the common denominator seemed to be that my whole life I've been able to compartmentalize.

Right? My whole life I've been able to compartmentalize. I've been, I, I like, you know, go to school, leave it at school, go to church, synagogue, whatever. I leave it there. Whatever happened there, stayed there. Yeah. And I could literally compartmentalize my, my whole life, you know what I mean? It's just been, that's the way it's been.

You know, I could be, I could be really upset one minute and then, okay, I'm done. You know what I mean? And I'm wondering if somehow that was recognized or that was like, thought about before a people. Before they were able, before they were like, put into this, this, this, this type of therapy.

What do you think? 

Kerie Logan: Well, the biggest thing I think is it was giving you and granting you the opportunity to really focus on that story And after a while you get tired of it. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: You literally get tired of it and you realize, this isn't serving me anymore. Mm-hmm. It's kind of like you have this aha moment of, okay, I can let this go.

I've written this a hundred times. Yeah. I've told my story 200 times and each time you're telling it, you're diffusing it. And I, and that's one thing a lot of people don't realize about, trauma 'cause they think about the reactions. Are gonna be the fight, flight, freeze, or fawn or, mm-hmm. And there's even flop, but there's one a lot of people don't talk about, and that's called friends.

And the friends one is where someone is telling their story to whoever they can. and they'll think of you as crazy. You know, it's like you meet someone and then they start telling you this whole horrible trauma bonding, story. And you think, oh my God, they're nuts.

They're really not. That's the trauma speaking. And they're doing that because they want help, they want solutions. they want to understand why this happened to them. And people think of those people as being crazy, but they're really trying to find a solution. 

Brad Minus: what do you find is the common denominator of the people that come to you for coaching, for or for any of this stuff? what is the one more popular, problem or solution that people are looking for when they come to you? 

Kerie Logan: I think it's when they really feel stuck. 

Brad Minus: Hmm. 

Kerie Logan: They just feel stuck and they don't know what to do.

I'm usually what I call, I'm the last resort. And it's kind of cool because I have people tell me, my therapist told me about you, or, this person told me about you and that person.

'cause I don't really advertise. I get referrals from doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists. I mean, I get referrals from, from all over. I mean, the, the Catholic nun, I mean, she tried doing trauma therapy through the church and it was so upsetting that, she tried, I think she tried to take her life. It was really sad.

And someone in the community, told her about me. and it was sad because she couldn't even tell the church that she was seeing me. She was like, they can't know that I'm seeing you because you're a hypnotherapist.

they think you work with the devil. And I'm like, are you serious? She was like, yeah, you can't tell them that I'm coming to see you. And she called me her spiritual advisor, which I'm just like, oh my God. 

Brad Minus: Yeah, because she's supposed to only talk to God, right?

Kerie Logan: Correct. 

Brad Minus: Oh, man. I can't even imagine. so that's, that's great. That's a great story. it's kinda like, it reminds me of the same thing. So I'm a, my passion, my side hustle is endurance coaching, and I have, you know, I, I hold a, a roster of about 15 people. Most of them are over the age of 40. Some of 'em actually.

most of 'em are over the age of 50 and they do things like marathons and like I've got, I've got. A, a client doing a, a hundred miler this weekend. Wow. running a hundred miles. I, I, I've got people that do Ironman's, half Ironman's, you know, the whole bit.

Right. That's, that's my thing. I love people getting people to the finish line. And a lot of people I have are bucket listers. So my, my business model is get 'em to the race. Now I've got about five people that are habitual racers and I just keep training them and that's fine. 'cause I like to, to me, a, I find that people can make, make their next steps in their life or they can level up by doing something hard.

That's something they never thought they could possibly do. Like I talk to people about, Hey, you know, for instance, somebody that wanted to lose weight and get fit and couldn't figure it out and the diets weren't holding and this, and so she found.

Doing an Ironman, you know, didn't swim, didn't bike, didn't run, and said, I'm gonna do an Ironman. So instead of focusing on those goals of losing weight and getting fit, no, I'm gonna focus on getting to the start line and getting to the finish line healthy. And that stuff will just, all that stuff will hap that happens on the way, I mean, the weight fell off of her.

She was 250 pounds at five one. Wow. 18 months later she stood on the start, She was 120 pounds in a size extra small wetsuit. Wow. You know what I mean? So, you know that that's the type of thing that I like people to do. And people come to me and they, they, they talk, they would probably do better internally with you, but I get 'em started externally.

Right. And so a lot of times it's like, I'm feeling stuck. I just need to do something different. We map things out. We're like, all right, well, what have you done athletically in your life, how about we go after this, this marathon I've never run before in my life? Well, we start with a 5K and we just build up, and then when you're ready to do it, you go do it.

And they learn so much about themselves on the way, on the way up. yes, I have done as a coach. I don't, I wouldn't call it therapy, but I listen, And I do get them, did a lot of their internal stuff. They've talked to, I've gone to funerals, with people for, their loved ones and stuff like that, and I'm their coach.

but I've also gone to like Eagle Scout Awards and graduations and stuff like that, but what I'm stating is that that's the hard work, right? I think like that's the external stuff that might help you internally. And what you do is internally that might actually help that somewhere down the line, the fringe benefit is gonna be helping them externally.

Kerie Logan: Yes. 'cause I remember working with one guy where he's like, I'm the fittest man in the gym, but when I leave my personal trainer, I am thinking, what can I go home and binge on? 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. and it's beautiful 'cause I've worked with people where they would eat a pint of ice cream every night.

And after one or two sessions with me, that same ice cream has been in the fridge for three months. Wow. And they just completely forget about it. I've had people that. would eat constant junk food, was addicted to caffeine or to soda, or to sugar or to chocolate. And they get a sense of control.

I mean, here in Oregon, they have a chocolate festival every year. And there was one lady that was so scared to go, 'cause she's like, every time I go I just eat way too much chocolate. And then I beat myself up and, and I told her, I said, don't be nervous. Go and eat the chocolate. Just go and enjoy and see how you do.

And she came back and she was like, I had the best time. I, yes, I ate chocolate, but I didn't overindulge. And I was satisfied with a little bit here and a little bit there. I didn't need to binge. And I said, that's the mindset. Just because it's a festival doesn't mean it's the opportunity to go, you know, haywire.

It's like, just because it's a buffet doesn't mean you have to, eat everything in the buffet. 

Brad Minus: Right, right. That's amazing. so just for everybody's information, Carrie's website is master the upper rooms.com. 

Kerie Logan: Yep. 

Brad Minus: So, of course, I have to ask where you came up with that and what is the relevance of it 

Kerie Logan: So back in, so I did write another book called Affirming and Focusing on Living a Better Life. I wrote that in 2012, and I woke up one day and this Higher Power said, you're gonna write this book, and here's the table of contents. Go to your computer and start typing. That's amazing. So I went there and I literally, I typed, I started, typing the book.

when I got to the chapter about the thoughts of our emotions, I learned about human consciousness and how all of our thoughts and emotions have a vibrational set point. I was like, this is fascinating. And I was guided to go online and look it up. Well, science matched what I, let's say downloaded.

And Dr. David Hawkins created the map of human consciousness. And I tried to get ahold of him to tell him, do you know what you got, what you found? And he died that year. So I was really disappointed. So I was guided. No start coaching people off of that philosophy. Find out where their set point is. Raise 'em up to 40 human consciousness and then even up to five.

And I started doing that and people had amazing results. There's one woman that did so well, she wanted to attract an investor. She's actually on the Gaia channel. She's been worked with royalty and everything now. But I helped her manifest an investor that in 18 months, gave her $9.8 million. What? Yep.

And then the founder of life coach spotter.com, when he had a hundred coaches on there, he contacted me and said, there's something different about you and I wanna make you a proposition. I want you to coach me and I'll give you all the clients that come in for six months if you coach me. And I said, okay, I'll do it.

Well, I coached him so well that he was able to put his stuff in storage and travel the world with his wife for a year. And I even coached his wife once where I said, you have two babies that are coming in, but your job doesn't allow you to do it. What's more important, your career or a family?

'cause that's what they're telling me. And she was like, oh my God, how do you know this? long story short, they have two beautiful children. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: So she made the, you know, made that leap. So we're master, the upper rooms comes is in October of 2023. I had a big spiritual awakening, you can call it. I had visions and I was told.

You are gonna teach this. You're gonna teach people about human consciousness and how to raise their vibration, how to achieve the ascension process. And I literally saw steps going up. And it says this, and this is gonna sound weird, Brad, but it was like, no, this is the roadmap to the kingdom of heaven.

'cause the kingdom of heaven is not a place, it is a state of consciousness, a state of being. 'cause when you think about Jesus, he was unconditional love. He was forgiving, he was the presence of peace. He was joyful. He was not judgmental. He was friends with prostitutes and, and yes, there was times where he got angry, you know, like all of us do.

But he was able to stay in that vibrational range. Of being a peaceful, loving human being. And so that's what master their upper rooms comes from. Is, is that it's us learning how to master ourselves, to master forgiveness in all areas. A family, let's say, our thoughts about money, our job, our relationship with other people.

It's about acceptance. It's about having wisdom and understanding when you face adversity or conflicts, it's how to get out of that victim mentality and get up here. And it's pretty powerful work. And I've done it with several people and I mean, I can get someone. It's stuck in anger and fear all the way up to, you know, forgiveness and joy in 20 minutes.

And they're like, how the hell did you do that? And I said, I just knew the questions to ask you and I went off of your responses and I just walked you up the steps. 

Brad Minus: Wow. that's powerful. And you might have just gotten a new client. so, that's amazing.

Yeah. So I'm looking at this and you've got like baseline and then the top rooms love, joy, peace and enlightenment 

Kerie Logan: I was told draw this, say this, put this in there. if you go online and you look up the map of consciousness, you get very brief descriptions.

But I was told, no, you need to put the details in it and it's free. The images are free. You see these? 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: Okay. So like for example, this is 3D, human consciousness. The first one is shame. That vibrates at 20. The second, third one is guilt.

That's at 30. And it's trying to figure out where are you stuck in the range of the frequency of 20 to 1 75? Where are you stuck and how can I get you up to 40 human consciousness? And that very first step is courage. The courage to do something different. The courage to be permitting, to see both sides.

It's not black and white anymore, you know, there. And to have, and to look at instead of. Personalizing what's going on? Taking the blinders off and looking at it bigger. So here's, here's just a good example. One of my very good friends recently got divorced and did not realize the person he was with was so toxic.

She loved bombed him so well, and I looked at him and I said, do you realize she gave you a gift? And he is like, what? She only gave me hell. I said, no, she gave you a gift. Do you wanna know what it is? And he said, what? I said, she brought you closer to God than you've ever been before. And he said, oh my God, you're right.

Yeah. He said, I walk with God every day now because for the past few years I've been praying and praying and praying. And I said, that's a beautiful thing because you could have grabbed a bottle. Drank your sorrows away. You could have went into gambling, porn, addiction, whatever. You didn't do any of that.

You took the high road. And she, because before I said, you know, God probably was your takeout order person, you know, only when you're in distress do I go pray. But no, you were doing it on a regular basis. You, you know, you started changing things in your life to be a better person because of her. And all of that is a gift.

But he couldn't see it. You know, he was really stuck in this mindset. And I said, so instead of feeling guilt and shame that, you can't help her. 'cause she doesn't want help, she doesn't want it. Send her blessings every day and thank her for the gift that she gave you. You know, thank her. 

Brad Minus: Yeah, that's, and I love that way of like turning.

The experience that you perceive as bad. and then turning around and going, well wait a second. I learned something out of this. Yes, I've gained a lot of knowledge out of this, and there are steps I'm going to take to feel better that I'm actually gonna help me out in the future.

no, I mean, what a lesson learned, you know what I mean? That's incredible. So the podcast is also called Master the Esper Rooms? 

Kerie Logan: Yes. It's called Master Upper Rooms. and I interview, spiritual people on there and a lot of coaches and I do my own material as well.

And it's just really trying to help people to shift their consciousness, to shift their perspective out of feeling sorry for themselves or depressed or having anxiety or fear or anger. how can I get myself unstuck and find the lessons and the blessings that are within those experiences? 'cause I always say everyone is a student and everyone is a teacher.

Brad Minus: Mm-hmm. 

Kerie Logan: Yeah. We, we all are. And I mean, have you heard about the rules for being human?

Brad Minus: It's the rules for being human 

Kerie Logan: too. This is on the website too, so I'll read it really quick. Rules for Being Human. The first one is you'll receive a body. You may not like it or you might, but you, it's gonna be with you your entire round here on Earth. Number two is you will learn lessons. You enrolled in a full-time informal school called life.

And each day you have the opportunity to learn lessons. Number three is there are no mistakes, only lessons. 

Brad Minus: one. 

Kerie Logan: Only lessons number four, a lesson is repeated until it is learned. Number five, learning lessons does not end. Number six, there is no better than here.

Number seven, and this is hard for people. Others are merely mirrors of you. 

Brad Minus: That goes right with, 

Kerie Logan: Yep. And number eight is what you make of your life is up to you. 

Brad Minus: Mm-hmm. 

Kerie Logan: And then number nine is, the answer lies inside you. And that's what I help people do is find those answers. Inside of you that, you haven't explored yet?

'cause a lot of times we don't stop and become self-aware of Yes. That was a blessing. Yes. She gave me a gift, you know, he had this really rigid mindset and like, no, let's open the door and look at it differently. 

Brad Minus: Yes. I think one of the biggest gifts that I was ever given was, and, it stuck with me for some reason, but someone told me, she says, do you know you're not really self-actualized?

And I was like, I know who I am. I know what I can do. And then I sat down and I really thought about it. And I think it took me like two or three months of me just kind of dwelling on it to realize that, no, you're not self-actualized. I am now because I thought about it and all the untruth lies that I would tell myself.

I'm like, that's not true. That's not true. it's not that you're not good, you are good, but there are certain things that you tell yourself that are not true. And you're telling yourself to make yourself feel better, when the truth could do the same thing.

'cause it gives you a lesson to learn. Yes. And something to strive for. But yeah, so that was the, and that kind of goes right with those nine lessons and the one lesson that you said, there's no other place but here. 

Kerie Logan: there's no better place than here. 

Brad Minus: Live in the moment. 

Kerie Logan: Yes. So when you're there in the past, really your past is like still stuck in your face.

And if you're a daydreamer out into the future all the time. Right? Well, yeah. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. so be here. And I'll give you one anecdote and then we will, say goodbye. When I used to go run, I still do once in a while, but it's more because there are things that I want to get done.

but I always run to music, and I would go into the music and think about the music and anything but running. then I read a few things and started thinking about how running could be more meditation and stuff.

But then I started running in the moment and all of a sudden it was like every step, every breath, everything. And I used to not do that because I used to think, well, that's just gonna make the run feel like it's forever and blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden that didn't happen. The more I stayed in the moment, every step, every breath, every arm, swing, every, every leg up.

The faster went. It was just like, it was amazing. All of a sudden I started seeing things I never saw before. Yeah. and it was, it was, it was quite intuitive. Now I don't do that every time now. 'cause like a lot of times I'm more, I don't listen to music anymore. I listen to podcasts 'cause it, but it, it's more about getting something done, Right.

While I'm out there. or gaining some knowledge while I'm out there, which I think is good. But I still, you know, I run five, six days a week and at least four of them I'm on there. I'm not just me in the road. but it's, yeah. I thought that it, so that really resonated with me that there's no other better place than here, 

Kerie Logan: Yes. it is because I always tell people, when you have a problem, don't look at it as a problem. Look at it as an opportunity. To go within and explore of why is it a problem? 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: know, and a lot of times the problem is just our misconception or the way that we're thinking about something or viewing something, and it's really becoming self-aware of how is that impacting you, 

Brad Minus: right?

Kerie Logan: I mean, if it's making you feel what I call 3D human consciousness, which is anger, fear, and anxiety that's toxic to the body. Do you really wanna put toxic thoughts in a, you know, in your, in yourself? Or would you rather have the courage to face it head on and, and maybe just agree to disagree? Yeah. Let the little things go.

I mean, seriously, sometimes we put so much into those little petty things we, we can make little. Molehill into mountains and it's just not, it's, it hurts you and it, it's not worth it. I mean, that literally creates dis-ease within the body. I mean, there's so many books out there. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Kerie Logan: Fabulous book. Whenever anyone comes to me with health issues, I pick up that book. And here's one fascinating thing. So Louise Hayes wrote the book, heal Your Body. And there was a moment I was working with a woman with arthritis.

And when I read that probable cause in the affirmation to say, I looked at her and I said, I can't read this affirmation. It won't work for you. And she's like, why? And I said, well, you just sat here and you told me you hate yourself, you hate your body. You're so angry. And it wants me to say I love myself.

And she started laughing and she's like, yeah, you're right. I can't say that. And I said, but what if you said this? Every day, I'm making peace with my body. Every day I'm gonna find something to appreciate about my body, and every day I'm doing something good for my body. Can you say that? And she's like, yes, I can say that.

And I said, okay, that's square one. We're gonna start baby steps and we're gonna move it up. You know, to where you start to appreciate yourself and, and you find gratitude in the world around you. 'cause she was just angry, hated everybody. Hated everything. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. that pessimistic quality that that'll kill you.

The skepticism and the cynicism is the word I was looking for. it will absolutely destroy you. It is toxic. Absolutely toxic. Anyway. Well, hey, listen, Carrie, this has been fascinating and I know that you and I could probably go on for hours and keep talking about it because it's so fascinating and I'm really, I really enjoyed the physical mind, the connection that Yeah.

And the back and forth that we had. I just think, I think it was, I think it was amazing and I think a lot of people are gonna get a lot out of it. So, but for all of you that have been listening and you listening to Carrie and, and her absolute, you know, her, her knowledge and, and her wisdom master the upper rooms.com, that is her website.

and, you, I'm on YouTube as well, and YouTube and her podcast is also called Master the Upper Rooms. So you've got a plethora of ways. Are you on, are you on any socials? Yeah. Oh, you are on socials? 

Kerie Logan: Yeah, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, I'm on, LinkedIn. so there's lots of places.

people can email me and you could Google me. My name is spelled differently. It's K-E-R-I-E, Kerry. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. And I even on 

Kerie Logan: you want, insight timer, meditation app. I'm on that as well. And I got lots of insight 

Brad Minus: timer meditation. Okay. Yep. That's, that's unbelievable. So you've got a plethora of ways to get ahold of Carrie, slide into her dms, emailer, go into a co, you know, put a comment down on one of her YouTubes, 

and then you said that you've got a, you've got a free or a 15 minute consultation. And you can, you can talk to, yeah. Anyone 

Kerie Logan: wants to chat with me, you know, either over Zoom or over the phone. Just, you know, send me a message and say, Hey, I'd like a free consultation, and if I can't help you, I'll tell you and I'll give recommendations or suggestions.

If I feel like I, can help you, then I'll tell you, okay, this is, what I can do, or this is the approach that I would take. and that seems to give a lot of people peace of mind when I say, okay, based on what you shared, I need to do this, this, and this. 

and to me that's the important thing is just finding, a good match to help someone overcome whatever is keeping them stuck. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. And that, and then, which is basically the whole reason for this podcast in the first place Is that if, one thing resonated with you, with some of the things that Carrie said.

Then we've done our job. You've got that one nugget that you could take and take action on and to level up and hit your potential. We've done our job and that's the whole idea of life changing challenges. But Carrie, thank you. Thank you so much. for all of you listening, I'm gonna have all of those links in the show notes.

we're gonna have her book, affirming and focusing on Living a Better Life. And we're gonna have that, LinkedIn, right to the book and on Amazon, so you can pick that up. I mean, all this stuff is just a wealth of information. if you're watching this podcast and on YouTube, then do us a favor and go ahead and hit that like button and to subscribe and, hit the bell.

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