From Trauma to Triumph – Zulma Williams’ Bold Path to Healing and Empowerment

Brad Minus: And welcome back to another episode of Life-Changing Challengers. I am super excited to have 

Zulma Williams on the show today. She is the swearing therapist, so all of you out there with kids, you might not wanna have them listen to this. 

But she's gonna give some great, great advice on an anxiety and resolution therapy and, you know, just helping people that, you know, experience trauma, anxiety, depression, and she's got a great story to even start out with that. Zulma, how are you today? 

Zulma Williams: I'm great Brad.

Thank you so much for having me. Super excited to be here. 

Brad Minus: Well, I appreciate it and we're damn happy to have you here. Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood? You know, like where you grew up, what was the compliment of your family, brothers, sisters, and what was it like to be Zulma as a kid? 

Zulma Williams: Sure. So I was born and raised in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I am a baby of the family.

I have an older brother who is 10 years older than me. Then there was another baby who unfortunately never met 'cause he passed away at nine months old, and then was my sister, who is seven years older than me. And then. Surprise. My mom said that she was done with children and then all of a sudden.

Hello, here it comes, SMA down the line. Funny story about my name. So, my name is not only unusual here in the United States, it's unusual in Argentina too. Funny. My sister's name is Linda. So the wrong one moved to the states. But, my dad used to sell, fabrics and there was this famous, actress, it was a client of my dad's.

So he said, if it's a girl, it's gonna be Zulma or Zulema. And if I was a boy, it was gonna be Jorge George, right? Like, so clearly a girl came out. So my mom chose Zulma. both names Zulma and Zulema are very unusual, in Argentina. But my dad. Was born and raised in Syria, so it's a very Arabic name. Okay.

And, when I was about eight, my parents like, well, divorce wasn't legal in Argentina at that time, so my parents separated, my dad moved out, and it was just basically my mom and I, because my brother was a teenager. Both my siblings were teenagers, so they were doing their own thing.

When I was, about 15, I start having this heaviness, this depression and, suicidal ideation, and I didn't understand why. Looking back, I think it's because I became. The only source of, emotional support for my mom. She never, she never met anyone else. She never move, move on with her life.

So, at the time I didn't know like, oh, why am, I'm feeling depressed? Right? And then, you know, I graduated high school. I had friends. I was, going out a lot. 'cause I think that my mom felt guilty for, my dad not being there. So she allowed a lot of freedom to kind of like compensate.

But all that I realized later in life, like at the time I was enjoying life. I got my first job at 19 and then I. The socioeconomic situation in Argentina is still difficult. Like it was difficult 30 years ago and it continues to be.

And I found myself at 31 with no job living with my mom, going back to my mom's house 'cause I didn't have a job. I had graduated, I went to the university there. I graduated with an optometrist degree, but I end up working as a.

Proofreader because there was no jobs as an optometrist. I'm very good at detecting mistakes. It's like a red flag when there is a mistake in, in a war, which is a blessing and a curses, right? Because it's like, I cannot read a newspaper in peace, because it's like, oh my God, they used to spell that word.

So I end up working as a proofreader and then I lost that job and that sent me, like, I, I didn't have any income, so I went back to living with my mom at 31 and. I didn't have a job. I didn't have a boyfriend, I didn't have kids. It was like coming. And I always dream of moving to the United States and I was like, you know what?

If it's not now, when, like I took it as an adventure. My mom said, if, if it doesn't work out, you always have a a place here. And, and something very tragic happened. So I had a cousin who let's say was 31, so he was probably 32, we're about the same age, and he, he had, an stroke and he died like unexpectedly, like he was in class.

He was a psychologist and he was doing some training and. And all of a sudden he's not here, you know? 'cause it's 30 31, you are like, oh, well I'll do it later. And that was like, bitch, you better start packing right now. So I went to a therapist and I said, I see my cousin passed away, let's say about July, August.

And by December I was already coming to the States. Like, that was such a wake up call because I was like, no, it's not like I have the rest of my life. Like anything can be snatched away, at the blink of an eye. And so I took it as an adventure, coming here. I came here, to California.

Right now I'm in Henderson, Nevada, but at that time I went to, Los Angeles and it was December. So everything was like the fucking movies, you know, like all the houses decorated, the Christmas tree, the Christmas lights, and oh my God, I'm stepping into a fucking movie. And, reality quickly set in.

But at the beginning I was in a movie, and I start, you know, it was a huge cultural shock. And, you know, different language, different food, different, different everything basically. But I was so mesmerized by the stability that like, so you have. Dollars. Right? Like, that's the currency. Like, and you had it forever.

Like in, in Argentina, the currency changed so much that it was, you know, like, it's like, okay, like what? I, I went back after 10 years and my brother had to explain the currency at the time 

'cause it was like different bills, even the same denomination, like, let's say a two. And on top of that, it's like unrealistic. So they have, I seen in March of 2025, I seen a $20, A 20 Argentinian pesos, all Argentinian pesos, right? 20 50, 100, 200, 500, 1000, 2000. 5,010. 10,000 and 20,000. Right. So my nephew was like, who is an adult?

He was like, don't get the 2000 confused with the 20,000. And I was like, holy shit, you're explaining this to me because my highest bill. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: So it was just mind blowing the stability, right? Like that you can plan for the future, that you can save, that you can like having a job. I could rent a place that was unheard of in Argentina because it's 

Brad Minus: so 

Zulma Williams: disproportionate that it's like, that's why I end up living with my mom.

But even if I had a job, I couldn't afford to live on my own. So that gives me an appreciation that a lot of people who have born here don't have, simply because you were not exposed to the shit that I've been exposed to. So to me, having a car, well first of all, I didn't drive over there because traffic is horrible.

But when I got to learn, I learned to drive, relearn to drive over here, and then I got a car and it was an old car, but it took me everywhere I wanted to go. So I do appreciate that. I don't need the 2026 model. I am so happy with my Toyota that is so reliable and it takes me everywhere I wanna go, but I.

I used to work with teenagers, you know, for like, it was their summer job. And I remember one girl, she was so upset 'cause her dad had bought her mom a new car, but not her. I'm like, bitch, I didn't have my first car until I was 32. Like, you know what I mean? But at the same time it's like she doesn't know better.

Like, I think that a lot of people born here need to be traveling more because 

Brad Minus: Yes. 

Zulma Williams: When you travel, you are exposed. Like I always say, a poor person here is different in that a poor person in Argentina. Yes. And it's hard to understand if you didn't live there and here because it is different, right?

Brad Minus: I have to, I have just outta curiosity, I've gotta ask. So were you in Argentina when there was a change in the currency or was it just that you left and you came back and it was changed? 

Zulma Williams: Oh no, they continued to happen. 

Brad Minus: You were there. So what do they do? Do you like get an announcement saying the currencies changes and go to a pla, go to the bank and then flip out your money and then come back 

Zulma Williams: so, it is the devaluation. So it's like 5,000, and now it is five, right? So they take all these euros away. So inflation goes, so in 1983, there was a dictatorship from 1976 until 1983. And in 1983 was the first time that I remember being able, I didn't qualify because of when I was born, but it was the first time that democracy was reinstated basically.

So people were able to vote. And we had the first president, in democracy, right in 1983. And then inflation was out the, the charts. So like you will go to the store now and pay, I don't know, a hundred for sugar and then three hours later you went back and it was 250, like the prices were changing like on the hour.

Those are the things that in 2001, the government, so it was still a democracy. But in 2001 I was already here, the economy was so bad that they con, the government confiscated people's money. So you had money in the bank and they were like, well, now it's our money 'cause we don't have money, so we are gonna give it back to you in 20 years.

Right? Like, it's not like I'm stealing the money, but you're gonna get it back in 20 years, right? Like, so, and it was the first time, so my dad was not happy that I was coming here. And in 2001, it was the first time he said, you did the right thing because his money got confiscated. So, and when I was trying to explain it to my coworkers here, they were like, but what is the government doing?

The government is the one who confiscated your money. Like, so who the fuck gonna go claim? Like, you know, it's your money. Yeah. But you are gonna get it back in 10 years or so. They gave like, kind of like, I don't remember what the legal name is, but it's not like you don't have the money anymore, but you have something in writing that in 20 years or in 10 years, you can cash it.

Well, in fucking 10 years it's not even gonna be the same currency. So, you know what I mean? Like, and so yeah, 

Brad Minus: It's kinda like a forced bond issue. But right now were you getting it? Were you, but were they saying that you were getting interest on that or it was one for one and that's it?

Zulma Williams: Well, you do get interest. If I remember correctly. Again, I wasn't there, but you do get interest. But the inflation is 280. 80% yearly, so I'll give you 2% interest. And the inflation is 280, right? But it affected, so my dad, I think he was retired at that time, so it affected his savings, right?

For retirement. Like he needs this money to live right now. So it's like, well, he end up living another 19 years, but you are retired. Like this is what you save for and you cannot access it. And although it was a huge financial crisis, what was considered even over there, a huge financial crisis.

When I try to explain it to people here, they're like. You couldn't comprehend because it's like, how the fuck is the government going to conflict? How is that legal right? But who the fuck are you gonna go protest? What is the fucking government who did it? So for me to be here and be able to save and to plan and to, plan a vacation for my birthday is in June, so I usually like to be by the ocean for my birthday.

So I start planning my birthday in January and I already paid for it it was blowing my mind because it's like over there. I went, to visit my family in March of this year, this year I'm turning 60, so I was gonna celebrate my birthday early.

It was my brother's 70th birthday. And I said, okay, I'll celebrate my 60th birthday with family. I contacted, kind of like a, like you pay a set fee at the restaurant and, and his like a preset menu. Mm-hmm. And contacted them in December and act. Actually, that's why I needed to reschedule our interview.

So I do appreciate your flexibility because I wasn't even here, I was over there. So I contacted them in December and I said, okay. March 29th, I'm gonna, I wanna make a reservation. And they said, well, it depends on availability. And I'm like, motherfucker, I'm, I'm contacting you three months earlier. Right.

So then they said, you need to contact us back in March. So I contact, contacted them back in March. 'cause it's 18 people, so I wanna be prepared. Right. March 1st, they took a deposit of 50,000, Argentinian pesos, which is about $50. 

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Zulma Williams: And they said, we cannot guarantee how much we're gonna charge you.

Brad Minus: Thank you. 

Zulma Williams: Right. So, I'm telling my nephew like, what the fuck is wrong? You're taking my money, he said the day prior, and you bet, the day prior. So on March 28th, I knew how much I was gonna pay on March 29th and get this, they don't take credit cards.

So I was walking around with half a million. I was around with half a million Argentinian pesos to pay for the fucking lunch. 

Brad Minus: Wow. That is, that is like beyond imagination. Like I would never, I would never think that. Now things change here fast. Obviously. You can pay, like, I think the other day I paid 2 77, at the pump and the next day it was 2 95, the third day was three 10, then it was back down.

Okay. That's daily and that's gas. And that's something that, you know, you can kind of work around. But the idea that you've got this. 18 person party that you're trying to plan for and giving them the heads up and a deposit, and you still gotta wait to find out what you're gonna pay for. That's like beyond mind blowing to me.

Zulma Williams: And I was telling my nephew that he turned 45 yesterday. I mean, he's like a son to me. And I was telling him that, and he was like, you are too American for us because Right, because I come with this idea of like, this is fucking nuts, 

Brad Minus: right? 

Zulma Williams: If you service son salon for a wedding or a quinceanera or a party and I'm giving you the money, you are gonna respect the price, 

Brad Minus: But on the other hand, with that floating inflation that they have. You know, it's not like five months in advance or three months in advance. They can say, oh, okay, we'll put it apart and they're gonna get vegetables and milk and all this stuff, and then put it away for you.

That's not gonna work either. And so they can buy it at that price. They have to buy it the day before, because obviously you want it fresh. All the foods should be fresh, so they have to buy. Absolutely. That makes sense. 

Zulma Williams: And that's what my nephew explained to me.

He said they cannot guarantee, because if they tell you at the price, when you pay $50,000, 50,000 PEs deposit, you may be eating for free because they don't know how much they're gonna pay. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: At the end of the month. So it is like, that is the kind of craziness Yeah. That I move away from because although I didn't know Right.

Like I never did, coming to America was the first time I was in an airplane, it was like, you know, it's like, it was like all around an adventure. But when I came here, it was December of 1996 and, and I was like in paradise in a sense of like, oh, you are able to have a job and, and pay. At the beginning I was a roommate in someone's house and I rented my first apartment, then I got my car and, and it, I was a lot better in six months than a lot of my family was back in Argentina.

In six months of working in a fucking. Laundromat. You know, it's not like I had this corporate job and I made it. It is like, oh, I'm fucking washing your clothes. You know, the laundromat that you drop the, your clothes and then you come back and the man folded, 

Brad Minus: Oh yeah. The, wash and fold.

Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: I didn't become a hardworking person when I came to America. I was already hardworking, right. But over there, you are hardworking to survive because my work ethic remained the same. So my nephew came here in 2021 for his, again, like, you know, 30 years later, he is in the same predicament that I was. So, and I, and I was explaining this to him, it's like, you work hard, you work hard over there to survive here, you work hard and you see that, oh my God, like I can, you know, now I'm renting a house, like, or I could change my car or whatever.

But, it's a complete different reality. And when I'm trying to explain this to people who had never been outside of the states, it's like, it blows your mind. 'cause my mind was blown, two months ago in March, you know? And my nephew was like, yeah, you couldn't survive here.

Because it's like, how is it that 30 years later you are in the same predicament? 

Brad Minus: I, yeah, it is. It's mind blowing. I kind of get it. When I was in the military, I was actually over here at MacDill Air Force Base, and we had partners with other countries and all armies from all over the world, they were in here and I can't remember what we called the area, but basically it was coordinated.

It was coordinated efforts for the Iran and Iraq war, okay. For the Iraq war, operation and during freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. But I had talked to a couple of the guys that had come from very small. Like Senegal and, really small areas in Africa and stuff, and would take them to what we call the px, which is just like our commissary, which is the military, grocery store.

Okay. And you run up and down the lines and they're just like, wait, you can just pick it up and put in your cart. I'm like, yeah, right. Oh, you don't have to like ask, or you, you, you could take it. Can I take as many as I want? I'm like, yeah, you fill up the, if you wanna fill up the cart with limes, you can, you can fill 'em all up and you can just buy 'em all.

He's like, really? They were like astounded that you could just pick it up, put it in the cart, and then, and they, and they, they trusted you that you're gonna go to the checkout line and ring it up. So I can mention that was the kind of the same thing for you.

I am curious. You chose la, which is even back then in 1996 was the most expensive place to live. Still is. How did you manage that when you were broke. 

Zulma Williams: No, the reason why I went to LA is because I had an uncle who was living there. So like I had family and that was my first, and that, that's part of what, where reality setting in, because like I was 31, he was trying to control me, like who I'm calling who there is no email.

We are writing letters. Who are you writing letters to? Like you need to cut ties. Which it was a good mindset that kind of like. If you are here, then cap ties over there. But the way that he was trying to impose that on me and I was like, I'm an adult, 

Brad Minus: right. 

Zulma Williams: Yeah. You're not gonna control like, who the fuck I'm sending a letter or, or buying a calling card.

So now we have WhatsApp, right? Like, but at that time it was buying a calling card so that, you know, like for $5 I can, I can talk for 20 minutes. So it was five minutes with my mom and five minutes with my dad, and five minutes with a friend and five, right? Like so you needed to and, and, and I was buying, so he had a bakery and I was buying the calling cards from him.

Not that I was like, I was paying for them, 

Brad Minus: right? 

Zulma Williams: But because I was buying so many, he was like, who are you talking to? And I was like, oh, hell to the know. So that's how I ended up in LA because he was living there then. I met a cousin on my dad's side. 

It is her brother. And then I met a cousin from my dad's side, which were all in Syria. And this cousin called my dad and say, uncle, I'm in America. And my dad said, oh, my daughter is in America too. He is the only one on my dad's side that I have met. And he didn't speak English and he didn't speak Spanish and I didn't speak Arabic.

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: And neither one of us spoke English, like I'm speaking English right now. So it was a lot of fucking pointing, you know. But, that's when I moved. To, I moved to, which is right next to LAX airport, and I was renting, a room from, from people there, and I, I mean, I will go to the beach every day after work to watch the sunset.

And then I fucking moved to Vegas and I was like, where is the water? You know, like, because we have the sun, but we don't have the water. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: That's how I end up in LA because, 

Brad Minus: you had family there. 

Zulma Williams: My uncle was there 

Brad Minus: wasn't the greatest situation, but it got you here and it got you on your way.

It was a stepping stone and you Right. As such, which was wonderful. So, so you're doing all this and if I'm not mistaken, some of the research that I did come up with, you actually didn't start, like, you didn't go back to school until late, right? Weren't you like 42? Right. And I 

Zulma Williams: So I'm working, over there in the dry cleaners in. Manhattan Beach and they were trying to expand in Vegas. So that's how I end up in Vegas. 'cause they sent, another person and I, they were trying to establish, the brand here in Vegas. And they sent us in fucking April to see if we like it.

And we did, right? Like April, it's like, oh, like, you know, all the casinos and blah, blah, blah. And then we move and then fucking Mac 110 degrees like you assholes. You know, like, so, so I got here and and then a year later I got fired from that job because I referred to a manager as a fucking bitch and somebody heard me and told her the next day, but she was a fucking bitch.

I end up working, in an office, getting an office job, which was another stepping stone because summer in Vegas is brutal inside the dry cleaners there is no AC that will sustain because of the steamer. The steamer gets shut down and it takes about six hours to come down it was harder inside of the store. Like the clients will wait outside to come when they come pick up their clothes. So working in an office with ac, I was in heaven. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: So I start working in accounting and I end up, working for the accounting department in a big corporation.

I was 42 at the time, and I love numbers. Numbers are so black and white. It doesn't matter. It is four. But I always had this passion for helping people and I don't think I see myself doing this for another 25 years.

So I enrolled in a school, I started my bachelor's of social work in 2007. I was investing in building a different life, but I continued the life that I had, so I didn't quit my job. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: I 

Brad Minus: continued 

Zulma Williams: right, exactly. So I continued my, accounting job. And then I graduated four years later and I was on track to do my master's. My classmates from high school in Argentina. They're like, what the fuck are you doing? You are crazy studying in school at 42. Like, what are you gonna do? Because over there, and that is kind of like the different culture over there.

You are old to get a job when you are 30. So they were like, what the fuck are you doing at 42? Starting a career, a different career, like, you're not gonna get a job. And I'm like, okay, I don't tell you how to live your life. Like, trust me. Like I know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, I wanted to be a therapist.

I already knew that. Mm-hmm. Being bring all the, the life experience being old is actually an asset because the, all the life experience that I bring into my office and that I brought into the classroom too, you cannot, like I experienced a mess. Domestic violence, the ones that, the, the shit that, that my classmates were reading in the textbook, I can fucking tell you all about the cycle of abuse because I experienced it, right?

Like, so it's like, okay, you fucking do you let me do me, right? Like, so I graduated at 46. I was on track to do my masters and my idea was to be independently licensed at age 50 and six weeks after I graduated with my bachelor's, I got diagnosed with breast cancer. Surprise, right? 

Seeing in the storage. And, spoiler alert, I survived. Here I am, right? Like so, 13 years, cancer free. Yay for me. Yeah. But so, so clearly I that put an stop to my higher education. I, I, had to take care of my health. I had a decision to make and I moved back to Argentina. I was diagnosed in February and I moved back in June and, continue my treatment there to be closer to my family.

But now in retrospect, there was another reason why I was there, but at that time it was to be close to my family. A year and a half later, my mom unexpectedly passed away of her heart attack. 

Brad Minus: Oh my God. It just keeps getting worse and worse. 

Zulma Williams: So, but the thing is that I have peace in my heart because my mom got to see that I was doing well.

Okay. So in my heart of hearts, I provided peace for her transition. 'cause it's one thing, so I don't have children, but I presume that if you have children, there's one thing that I hang up the phone, I tell you on the phone, I'm okay. And another thing is that you get to see me, that I am okay.

Right? 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: So my mom, so I got there in 2012. My mom passed in August of 2013, and I was like, a year later, I was like, eh, this year ain't working out for me. Like, I'm, I'm gonna go back to the states and. I asked God for a sign, like, like, I, I need a sign that this is the right decision.

So he made my decision of coming back to the States in May of 2015, a a month short of my 50th birthday. I wanted to celebrate my 50th birthday here. And, out of the blue, I get an email to my personal email. You know, when you are in, in school, you have, I went to University of Nevada Las Vegas, so I have my UNLB email, but after a couple of years, you are not a student.

Brad Minus: They take, 

Zulma Williams: they, that email, I get an email on my personal email from UNLB asking like, Hey, do you wanna do your masters of social work? We have the advanced program back. I was like, okay, God. Like I asked for a sign. You gave me a fucking banner. Right? 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: And I register. I, I came back in May of 2015.

I hit the ground running. I was in school full time. And so the advanced program is you get your master's in one year. Mm-hmm. So it is very intense. It is like four classes in, in summer, but not like a regular summer class where in three weeks you are done. Three of those classes were the entire semester.

Right. And then four classes in fall and five classes in the spring. I didn't have a fucking social life that year, but it was so focused. I knew what I wanted to do. I'm 50 years old, like my classmate were like, well, we dunno. I'm like, bitch, I, I'm twice your age. Like I, I know I wanna be in therapy.

Like I wanted to go the clinical route. I didn't have any, doubts in that sense. Like that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be a therapist, I wanted to help people. And being bilingual in Spanish was a great asset. Yeah. But also, it's not that I speak the language, I also know the culture because I live half of my life in that culture.

So it's not like, oh, I speak Spanish. I know that as a woman you don't have a voice. Right? Like it's, the cultural component of coming from, a Hispanic, country, right? Because it's like, yeah, we are different than Mexicans and Colombians and Brazil and whatever, but the culture is the fucking same.

The bottom line is the same. So I graduated a year later and I started my internship and I became independently license when I was 53 and a half. So remember, like my goal was to be independently license at 50. I'm already fucking old. Who cares that it took me? Yeah. You know that it was 53 and a half.

Brad Minus: Right? But the experience that you went through, surviving cancer just adds to your bullets that you can give to your clients, right? The ability to experience that and go on.

So maybe you might be a couple years past your goal, but the experience you got in those two years probably made you worth like 10 times more. 

Zulma Williams: Right. And the thing is that I'm very transparent. Like we are drill in a school that you don't talk about your personal life. Love. I'm very transparent about my experience because I know trauma.

It's, it is, it is not like I'm telling you like, oh yeah, I can connect. Like, no, I fucking connect because I have my own traumatic experiences. 

Brad Minus: Right? 

Zulma Williams: So I do put on my website that I'm a cancer survivor because, and that I came from another country because it's like, oh, so you speak Spanish? No, I know the fucking culture.

I know why, you know, like you driving is a huge step in a stone in your independence because that guy had my therapist, she's white, bless her heart. And one time I was talking about something and, and she, she was so confused as of like. 

She was like, kind of like, why did you ask your partner kind of thing. And I'm like, because that's what you do, right? Like, so I, I had this mixture of, of being American and being Argentinian, like, it's like it's all in there and it made me who I am. But I have this, like, with my practice, we either connect or we don't.

There is no I'm, I'm not sure about, so there's no gray area with me. You either like me or you fucking hate me. Either way, I sleep at night. Because I'm not everybody's cup of tea, and I understand that, but I don't take it personally. If we don't click, I'll give you fucking referrals. 

Brad Minus: Direct, 

Zulma Williams: It took me, and that's why the internship, so after you, you know, after I got my master's, I went into my internship, which is 3000 hours to become independent license.

You do 3000 hours, 2000 are of direct contact with clients and 1000 of other and trainings, paperwork, blah, blah, blah. And then you take the clinical exam and then you become that. That's why I'm a licensed clinical social worker. Then I can work independently. That's for social workers, at least here in Nevada, like marriage and family therapists.

They can work independently when they are interns, but for social workers, you have to be fully licensed to work individually. Well, because I was exposed to different things, I chose to specialize in trauma, anxiety, and depression. So if you come to me with substance abuse, I'm not, ethically, I cannot provide you with the best service.

So I will refer you out if you want. Like I have a very distinct schedule. I see clients on Tuesday, Wednesday, s from 12 to six. Well, Monday at eight works for me. Well, I give you a referral because I don't fucking see clients on Mondays at eight. 

I'm not a morning person. So like. I have colleagues who went into private practice and then they work 60 hours. Like, why the fuck are you in private practice? Like, I move into private practice to own my schedule. Mm-hmm. So when you want, you are the one calling me. If you want that surgeon that only sees patients on Wednesdays from three to five, you're gonna fucking make it work so that you are gonna accommodate your schedule. Right? Well, you wanna work with me, I see clients Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday from 12 to six, and I don't apologize for my schedule because that is what provides me with balance.

I'm giving myself a four day weekend every fucking week. 

Brad Minus: I agree with that though, because I think you, especially as a therapist, that somebody's gotta be so in tune with your client. You can't, it's not a profession that you can have something else going on in your head. You need to be completely engrossed in this person in order them to give them the service they deserve.

So if you're, if you're working the, the times of the day that you know you could be on your game, that's just stepping up your service to your client. 

Zulma Williams: That, that's part of my work ethic, right? I'm doing you a service. So when I was doing my internship, I started at eight o'clock in the morning, eight to six, four days a week.

So I worked 40 hours in four days. I have 11 appointments. I didn't even fucking remember who you like. I had to make, post-it notes, add to the chart because. I won't see you for another three weeks. 'cause my schedule was full. This is on a community agency. Right. And, and I'm like, with my clientele now it's like, I know who you are.

I know what we talk. I don't need that fucking post-it. No. I still write very Oh, of course. Specific notes. That's, but but that's part of the profession. But I know who you are with, with that job. Seeing 11 people a day, it's like, it, it's a, it is like, you know, it's so when I move into private practice, which I did because, so when you are an intern, you had to it up, right?

Like, that's part of the process. Like I will tell them you, right. And, and and, and it's okay. We all go through it. But when I became in penalty license, I will tell them that the. The, agency. Don't gimme couples. Like, I don't like working with couples because my experience with couples was like, you fucking need individual therapy and you fucking need individual therapy.

Then come back, you know, like, you're fucking wasting my time. Like, you know, like, so I don't like working with couples. Here comes a couple. They gave it to me because they speak Spanish and I'm the only bilingual, therapist. How is that my fucking problem? Bring another therapist who is bilingual in Spanish and wants to work with couples, so don't give me substance abuse.

Here comes a person. If you have heart issues, you need to go to a cardiologist. The GI doctor, although you said doctor is not the specialist for you, 

Brad Minus: right? 

Zulma Williams: So I was like, if I wanna work with trauma, anxiety, and depression, I will have to do my own shit because these motherfuckers saw a hole in on my schedule and they just put whomever, and it is not ethical for me to be treating you for your substance abuse when I don't fucking specialize in that, nor I will connect with that, 

Brad Minus: right?

Zulma Williams: I know all about addiction, but I know all about trauma and I connect differently because when you have a traumatic event, I'll see it as an opportunity to help you, right? I don't sit there and cry with you when you are an alcoholic and you want to quit drinking, but you are not there yet. I'm not the therapist for you.

So ethically, why? I'll take you. I had to refer you to a therapist who specializes in substance abuse. If you have a personality disorder, why will I waste your time and money? 

Brad Minus: Right? 

Zulma Williams: I refer you to a therapist. So, and I explain this to the clients 'cause I'm so direct that they love that.

Like some of them love that approach. Not all of them, but some of them. I don't have time. You wanna get better? We are going to hit the ground running. If you are like, oh, well I'm not sure if I'm, then I'm not the therapist for you.

Fucking go to the one who will hold your hand until you are ready. I'm not that person. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. No, I, so I a hundred percent agree. I'm an endurance coach. I help people through marathons and Ironmans and stuff like that, and people that wanna change their life and use endurance sports as the vehicle.

If you wanna learn how to play tennis, why are you coming to me? Right. Yeah. But I think probably one of the biggest, messages we're getting from you right now, and it's so simple, is that it's never too late, you know?

Oh, yeah. I think probably the biggest message that I've gotten from you so far, I mean, not going back to school, to you are 42, not getting, licensed, until you were 52 and then starting your practice after that. I think that's absolutely incredible that, you know, no matter what your dream is, circumstances may postpone your dream.

But you can, you can get it later. I mean, obviously we always wanna get it as soon as possible, but there's always gonna be circumstances in front of you that sometimes might not allow you to, obtain those dreams immediately. But as long as you keep dreaming and you keep striving to get there, you're gonna get there.

I was gonna mention it to you, when you first said that you went to 42, but, I read an article about, I think her name was Elizabeth Bible. She went to med school at 50, right? Yeah. Med school. So that's eight years minimally before she'll touch a patient on her own before she becomes a resident and she can go from there.

And I'm like, and then she, became a obstetrician and she finally, I think she said that she finally retired at like 84. Right. You know, and just recently there was an article about a pastor, his name was, Antonio Patterson, and he left the church and went to med school at 50 and like he's in med school right now.

Zulma Williams: Right. So if anything cancer came to show me how bad I wanted to be a therapist. Yes. Because nobody will help blame me if I'm like, oh, I'm going back to accounting, or I'm not gonna do my master's or whatever. But I was like, hell no. If I'm better, I'm gonna go for my master's. When I have clients telling me like, oh, I'm too old to go.

I started my masters at 50 and, and English is not my first language. Right. It's your fucking excuse. Like you're barking at the wrong tree. 

Brad Minus: Right there. Right there. That is it. Right. Go into not only getting your master's degree at 50, but you not English isn't your even your first language.

That's ridiculous. And you were coming back from Argentina anyway, so you had spent the last few years speaking Spanish, 

Zulma Williams: So, and it was a cultural shock going back there in 2012. When I came back in 2015, it was kind of like not as bad as a strong, as a cultural shock coming back to the States.

'cause I was like, no, that's where I fucking belong. Like, because like that's where I can start a career at 50 and have a job doing that. The thing is that, you know, like. Like I always say, this motivation is fucking overrated. You have been doing shit that you were not motivated to do your entire life.

If you have kids, you didn't tell the baby like, yeah, I'm not motivated to fucking breastfeed you and your boobs are fucking hurting and bleeding and you cannot walk, you cannot pee. You fucking do it. 

Brad Minus: Right? 

Zulma Williams: You work and the last thing you wanna do is fucking see your fucking coworkers and, and you do it.

So it's not a motivation. I always said, you need to become Nike and just do it. 

Brad Minus: I talk about that a lot. 

Zulma Williams: Right. We're your passion, because if you are passionate about it. Then motivation is not the issue. Consistency is, 

Brad Minus: A hundred percent. That goes with just about everything.

But yeah, no, I agree. It's desire, it's passion and desire that will keep you going. Motivation is temporary. For my kids that I coach, it's like, you need to get up and you need to get outside or after school.

You need to head to the track. And yeah, there's a lot of times you're just not gonna be willing to do it, but it's the people that do, it's the people that sit there and know, even though like, oh my God, I don't wanna do this. I got all this stuff to do. I should go home, I should do my homework, blah, blah, blah.

But wait a second. Coach wants me on the track for at least an hour today. I can still pull that off. And sometimes, yeah, sometimes you sacrifice stuff. I mean, you sacrifice sleep, you sacrifice social life. But it's all dependent on what you wanna do and how far you wanna go to get it.

Zulma Williams: Right. Absolutely. I mean, Kobe Bryant, in many, interviews. He said, I get up at whatever fucking two o'clock or four o'clock and, he will go train and then if you got up at six o'clock, he already had two hours of training over you. 

Brad Minus: And 

Zulma Williams: then he went back at 10. He came back, had breakfast, and then he went back and trained at 10.

So, and then he train at two. Where is your passion at? Because I'm passionate about what I do. I'm passionate about helping people and I think that that's why I don't work. I don't consider, like, I love going in into my office because. It's like, oh my God, like I get you.

Tell me about a traumatic event and I'll see it as this window of opportunity to fucking help you. It is an honor that you trust me with that. 

Brad Minus: Love that. 

Zulma Williams: So it's like, who, who the fuck is working? The only work I do is a fucking nose. Like, I hate doing that. It's like, but being with a client is such an honor.

So like these people sit in front of me, a fucking stranger, and they open up and show me their wounds, and then we get to work together on healing those wounds. And then you are on your own to, to build a, the life of your dreams. And I'm fucking first row witness to that. How many people can say that?

Brad Minus: I am with you. I am a hundred percent with you. I used to sit there and I, when I first started coaching, I was like, oh my God, watching my clients cross the finish line at their races is only second to me crossing myself now all the way around. I would rather, and I get so more excited about watching my clients cross and you know what I mean?

I become a coach like me. I'm like in the same level as therapist, but I do get that, you know, I do get people that talk to me about, well, coach, I did this and I did this. I don't know what's going on with my life here and blah, blah, blah. And so they kind of talked to me about it. Matter of fact, I will give you one thing that, like one of my biggest, forms of ego boost that I ever got.

I was training, get this, I was training an MD. Doctor and a new doctor that, had only been in it a few years, and she was doing, a workout and she got hurt. She pulled something and she didn't know what it was, and she called me. I'm like, you're a fricking doctor.

You're the doctor. Right. You're a doctor and you're calling your coach to talk to you about what, how, what do you think it is that I just did to myself? I was like, I've made it. I'm done. I'm done. Let me just get Right. Right. Okay, I'm good. Drop my, comes, comes, comes, comes. Her endurance coach.

Like that was by far the biggest ego boost. But then she told me, she goes, listen, just like what you said, right, it's not, it's the, the specialty right. I specialize in that. I see injuries all the time. I know the muscles that it takes for certain endurance events. And I work with them all the time.

She was a family doctor, so she sees sniffles and coughs so of course, right. She's gonna call me. 'cause that's the first thing she said. She goes, I was like, I have to tell you something. I am shocked as all heck. And she goes, why? Because I'm an md. I don't work with this stuff all the time.

You do. Of course I'm gonna call you. And I didn't. Right. She could have said that 3, 4, 4 times. I'm still gonna feel like I was like this. But it was just, it was just, and I thought about it. I'm like, thanks. She's absolutely right.

I work with this stuff all the time. So it's, you know, it's a little bit different. And we came up with a therapy for her, like within the next 10 minutes, she did it for a couple of days. She came back and said, no, I feel great. I'm good to go. And I was like, okay. Right. Perfect. 

And you, you're absolutely right. Since then. So, 'cause I'm looking at, you're, you're the licensed, certified social worker, but you're also now an AC SW. What's that? 

Zulma Williams: So that is a, an extra certification. I am a certified social worker.

It is a denomination, that L CSWs can get after they become L CSWs is letters of recommendations and is through the, national Association of Social Workers. So I'm a certified social worker. And then I went into another certification for the, accelerated resolution therapy 

Brad Minus: art 

Zulma Williams: that is, the right, the art.

So I learned about that technique in one of my papers for school and, and actually like, so I had to do a case study of one of the clients, and I suggested that as a. A technique and, and my professor put why not EMDR? 'cause this technique is, it was developed by, a person who was certified in EMDR.

The eye movement doesn't sensitization and reprocessing. And my professor put on the paper, why not EMDR? I'm like, because this is more effective. So I was so intrigued, by the technique that I got trained even before I became right after school. So even before I became an intern.

So then I start applying it and I saw magic happening right in front of my eyes and I was like, this shit works. So really quick, to give context when, when a traumatic event happens, the brain creates a movie. 

Brad Minus: Mm-hmm. 

Zulma Williams: And, and it, it plays that movie at anytime that it gets triggered. 'cause that's the only movie that it has, right?

It's Channel three with a horror movie and through eye movements. I guide you into playing that movie twice. And then you get to change the movie and give a different ending. So now we use AI movements to kind of like put that movie there. So we're giving your brain channel five with a different movie.

But hold on. The movie I created is not real. Correct. But the movie of the trauma is not real as is, as it's not happening right now. It happened when it happened. But it's not happening right now. The brain doesn't distinguish that it's not happening right now. It's feeling as if it's happening right now.

So out of this movie that is not real and it's a horror movie, and out of this movie that is not real, but has a better ending, which one do you want? So that's how I explain it to my clients, right? Like, so let's say, sexual abuse in in childhood. You go as the adult that you are right now, and you rescue the earlier version of you.

So how empowering is that? 'cause when you were five, how are you gonna stand up to this authority figure? But now as an adult. It's kind of like you are protecting your inner child, right? Like, so you go back in your movie and you, you rescue the earlier version of yourself.

I work with a lot of people in car accidents who were not at fault. So now they are anxious to drive, right? Because like, I was just, at a red light and somebody hit me, there is nothing that you could have done differently. You were just at the wrong fucking place at a fucking time.

So we, we create a new movie where the person was not even there, or the other car slammed on the brakes and the collision didn't happen, or however you want to change it. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: And these people are driving the next day because the movie, so you, so this is not about erasing the memory, what they take.

So you, you remember everything. But what the technique does, it removes the emotional, the, the negative emotions attached to the memory. So if I ask you like, do you remember the bike that you had when you were 10? Yeah. You remember it, but you're not fucking crying about it. So this is the same thing. Ah, you wouldn't remember everything, but there is no emotional reaction to it.

Brad Minus: Ah. 

Zulma Williams: Usually it takes between one and three sessions. Most of my clients with one session, they're good to go. 

Brad Minus: Oh my God. I'll, I, I'm gonna have to tell you the story offline, unfortunately. But yeah, I've got a story for you about that, that something just like that I I, that I went through, but basically, I went through something when I was in the military and it was a form of this except that it was much more intense and it wasn't about changing the movie, it was about detaching from it.

So I think we got the, I ended up getting, and the people that also that went through it, 'cause it was experimental at the time, they got the part where you were saying that you were able to like, remove the emotion from it, but it wasn't necessarily through actually making a change, it was by repeating it.

So basically is we ended up re you know, some of these guys that went through this experimental thing, including myself, told the story. Like must have told the story orally a thousand times. Right? Must have written it. I must have written it 150 times. Like wrote it, everything down from beginning to end.

And at that point now it's like a comic book. It's like sitting in my brain as a comic book. I'm completely detached from it. You know what I mean? And I could tell the story like it happened to me yesterday, but I don't get overwhelmed with emotion because it, 'cause I've, I've said it so many times, 

Zulma Williams: so many times, right?

Brad Minus: It's like watching your favorite episode of a show like 150, 200 times to where you can quote it. It's not as funny anymore. I mean, it's still entertaining, but it's not funny. So, You totally pulled it away from you. 'cause you could sit there and quote it, 

Zulma Williams: you got desensitized.

Brad Minus: But that was over like months. I like your version better. Like, I change it in one I'm over with. I'm good. But man, it was intense because it was just like, right, it wasn't like, the old Dunking Donuts, commercials.

I don't know if you had 'em in Argentina. Time to make the donuts, you know, the guy would get up and I was like, time to make donuts. Time to make the donuts. You know, for me it was like, time to tell the story. Time to tell the story, but Right. Time to write the story. So it was just, 

Zulma Williams: you got re-traumatized several times until you didn't it, you got desensitized.

Retraumatize, if you would, by watching the movie two times. The reason for that is to bring those feelings up to the surface so we can change them 

Brad Minus: And let 'em go versus, 

Zulma Williams: and then you, well, really, by changing the movie, then you don't have those feelings anymore. 

Brad Minus: True.

And that was the difference, 

Zulma Williams: right? 

Brad Minus: So 

Zulma Williams: Right. 

Brad Minus: So it was the, the experiment and they, and actually they don't do it anymore because there was no medication involved like we were given Xanax was as much as we were able to have, they didn't allow, wouldn't allow us like sipping pills or anything like that.

The, like regular diet. And you can have like, and it was like, I mean like 0.5 milligrams was all you're allowed, right? And you got, and you got, and you got distribute to you. So, and because they didn't want you to, they wanted you to live it, they wanted you to let go of it. And the idea was that for all these, all these soldiers that go through PTSD.

Right. They're like, is the way to get past it. And the idea of PSD, at the time was that PTSD, a lot of the problem was them holding it in was that they wouldn't face it. They would hold it in and it just got to a point where now things are triggering.

But the right, and we, there was only the few people that went through it. It was something in our psych evals, like I found out later. And it took me a while. 'cause when I finally got my medical, report, my medical records back, it was the fact that I showed a high ability to compartmentalize.

Right. So those were the people that they put through the thing. They're like, if you can compartmentalize, you can probably be successful at this program. Right. And I would say that I, I would say that that's, you know, that's a part of it, but I think they did a disservice to some of the people that couldn't.

They would've been, 'cause it was an order, and basically what it was is because we were still in the military, it was like, oh shit, you're gonna tell me the story. You are ordered to tell me the story. It's an article 15, which is, illegal you're under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

You have to follow a lawful order from your superior. So the superior is the doctor and the chaplain. We had talked to so many people. We were in group, we were outta group. And the lawful order was, you will tell me the story of the incident again. You'll provide another after action report.

So that's how they used it. That would've been probably more useful to those other guys 'cause they would've been able to bring it up and out. Yes. They don't have the ability to compartmentalize like I can, but yeah, it's interesting, 

Zulma Williams: This is Sensation Works, for a lot of traumas.

Like when we had the shooting here on October 1st of 2017. I had a client who wasn't present at the shooting, but she was a high executive at Mandalay Bay. So she had the employees on the phone and she was able to hear the shots through the phone. When I was treating her in addition to the A RT, I told her to watch videos of fireworks leading up to New Year's Eve because 

Brad Minus: The 

Zulma Williams: fireworks were so triggering. So I told her like, every day you need to like listen to fireworks because it's like you need to under, you need to train your brain that, oh, these are fireworks because she was gonna work on December 31st. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Zulma Williams: And then we have the show on the strip.

Brad Minus: Right, 

Zulma Williams: of fireworks. Right. Like, and it did work for her, but like, it's a lot of shit. But like, she was feeling so guilty because it was her team that was there not heard. And it's like, so we, we work a lot of that. But in the immediate thing, it's like you have to work on fucking December 31st and there is gonna be fireworks.

So, and that's what a lot of military, people experience when they come back. It's like 4th of July, which is this, joyful celebration and you are fucking hiding under your desk because you think you're under attack. So this, a RT is being, like a lot of military is using a lot in the military because it is so effective.

So when you come back from a tour, like I, I think that the fucking order should be that all of you when you come back from a tour should do therapy. I agree. 'cause then if you are ordered to do, then it's not because you are weak. It's because in order and if we are all fucking doing it 

Brad Minus: right? 

Zulma Williams: I watch, American Sniper a couple of days ago for the 50th time, like, oh my God.

I can see how he was holding in and he was going back to serve justice for his fellow seals. And he cannot explain that to the wife. And the wife is like, what the fuck? Like, I want my husband back. But he was so obsessed with creating justice and he couldn't communicate that and the doctor in the movie.

With a, the beauty of a RT is that if you don't wanna even fucking tell me what you, what the movie is, I don't even need to know as far as you can see it in your mind. You don't have to share with me what you are processing. So, but I like to know because I, I'll give suggestions for the new movie.

Brad Minus: Right, 

Zulma Williams: but if you know what the movie is and you have an idea of how you wanna change the, like one time. This lady, an older lady, bless her heart. She had a home invasion. So when I suggested that she changed the movie, I said, now you become Superwoman and you beat the shit out of them.

Right? Like, so she changed her movie, that she talked to these people and told them that God was watching and this is not right. And, she actually made them leave peacefully, right? And I look at her and I said, you are a better person than I. 

Brad Minus: I 

Zulma Williams: shit outta 

Brad Minus: I liked your version better, but I get it.

She's probably a very god-fearing, late god-fearing woman and she right. 

Zulma Williams: So I give suggestions, but ultimately it's up to you create your own movie, which is gonna work for you. 

Brad Minus: Yes. 

Zulma Williams: You know, 

Brad Minus: I agree. Wow. Hey, Zulma, I cannot tell you how wonderful it has been.

This is probably gonna be one of my favorite episodes, you know? Thank you. You just came and this is gonna be great 'cause you're like your episode 1 0 2. This is my hundred and second episode.

I just released my hundredth. And, so I'm very excited to have you. 

Zulma Williams: Congratulations. That is exciting. 

Brad Minus: Thank you. But I, I'm super excited and you're my type of therapist. 'cause I. I prefer somebody to look at me and say, tell me what's going on direct. Whether you're using four letter words or not, I don't care, but just tell me.

I even tell this to my boss. I pulled her into a room the first day that I work. So, this is obviously, a side hustle. This, and my coaching is a side hustle. Because I love it and I want to keep it that. I love it. But, so my regular job, I've done this with every single contract that I've been on.

As I pull my supervisor into the room and I tell 'em, I says, listen, I says, I know I'm gonna screw up. There's gonna be at some point in here where I screw up something, whether it be, that I messed up on something that was protocol for the company.

And I hadn't, you know, I hadn't been exposed to it yet, right? Something's gonna happen. And I says, I do not need you to walk on eggshells, pull me aside, and I give you straight up permission to use all the four letter words you want. And look at me directly and say, Hey, you know what?

You effed up, you fucked up. We gotta figure out a way to get around this. And you better, you better go ahead and you, you better fix it. And I'll be like, okay, give me a, gimme some guidance on how to fix it and I'll do it. I don't need you to sit there and go, well, you kind of just, well you kind of did this.

We really wanted you to do this. I don't need that. I don't need that. I need you to look at me and go, you screwed up. This is how we gotta fix it. Go fix it. Done. And I'm like, perfect. Takes a lot less time. I says, I don't have time for you to sit there. And I'd give that to every single one. And they, and all of 'em have different reactions.

Well, I might not use those four letter words. I'm like, you don't have to. I'm just saying pull me aside. That's all I ask. Pull me aside. Put me in an office and yell at me. And I'm fine with you doing that. I, and I want you to, I want you to be free. I want you to feel like there's nothing you can't say to me that's gonna offend me.

Because you know what, offense to me, offense is in the eye of the offended. If you're offended by something, it's, you're the, it's you that is, that has the problem, not, not the person that's offending you. 98.7% of communication is not meant to be offensive. But people take offense to it. 

So I very rarely am I gonna get offended. But the reason why I say that is because I love your style. You are my type of therapist. And if anybody listening out there. Wants therapy that you can absolutely a hundred percent get it direct and you're not become therapist going, yes, well why don't we try this for next time?

And why don't you write it down in your journal and we'll look at your journal readings later. You know, I want someone that's gonna sit there and say, listen, I don't know what the f is going on with you. We have to figure it out. And you're gonna write in your journal.

You're gonna do, you're gonna give me, you know, one paragraph every single day. And there's, there's no offense. What's about it? I want to see this, this, and this and this. Now go home, do your homework and I'll see you back here next week. That's what I wanna, you know, and, or absolutely. Or this is what you're feeling.

That's it. No, if and buts, you know what, or, or, you know what? I hate to tell you this. You're being a fricking wimp. Alright? So buck up, put on your big, put on your big boy pants and, and, and, you know, and get squared away. Okay. I don't know anything about therapy, but I, I would respect 

Zulma Williams: I would 

Brad Minus: respect someone that would tell that to me. 

Zulma Williams: The way, I'll describe therapy is like I provide you with a different perspective. When you are in the picture, you cannot see the picture. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: I don't know. So I'll take you at your word. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: So I always say it's kind of like. If you wanna build a new house, you go to Home Depot and you buy the materials, and you buy the tools. If you wanna build a new life, I'll take you on this shopping spree about this is a hammer and these are the nails.

And if you wanna hang a picture, I'll show you how to do it. But then you have to do it because otherwise, next time you need to hang the picture, you are gonna fucking call me. You don't have to to carry the hammer in your purse or in your back pocket, you leave it in the garage, but you know that it's a tool and you know how to use it.

And that is what I provide you with. But the one who's doing the work is you. You are the driver. I'm the passenger. If you don't turn on the car and you don't drive, we're fucking getting nowhere. 

Brad Minus: I don't think we could, I don't think you could say anything better than that.

That is perfect. That is absolutely perfect. So if you're going through some trauma, anxiety, depression or something, get help that's turning on the car and getting you somewhere. Yes. And then allow the passenger, your therapist to know everything you know and 'cause the, 

Zulma Williams: Right. Like if you wanna get somewhere right, like you put the directions on the GPS, otherwise you are gonna be driving like you are gonna waste gas, you're gonna waste time, you are gonna wa energy like the therapist is kind of like the GPS that is going to guide you if you wanna fucking go north.

I'm going to kind of like point you north, but otherwise you're gonna be driving south and not knowing why you didn't fucking get to your destination. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Zulma Williams: But you still fucking doing it right. Like you, you are driving. Let's drive with purpose, right? Like, so that's, that's what my role as API therapist is.

I'm like, well where do you, where do you wanna go? You told me where you wanna go, and then I'll guide you and we get there together. But you are the one in charge 

Brad Minus: Zulma. We need to get your voice on ai, send it to Google so it can be one of the, one of the voices for the GPS.

You're like, I use the, I think I used the, the Australian accented one. You know what, but you missed the fucking right now. Make u-turn and make the, now you're gonna have to make a damn left.

Do you fucking listen?

Turn. And how many times do I have to tell you that's what's gonna come outta the g Ps? 

Zulma Williams: Oh my God, I love it. Yes, absolutely. 

Brad Minus: Zulma's, URL for her website is dragonfly therapy services.net. She's got a bunch of great stuff on here. She's got her therapy.

She talks about art. She gives you a little bit about her. And then she's got businesses and their services, she's one of the few doctors that actually has a page for her fees. Nobody does that anymore. They want you to wait till you get there. This woman is an open book.

You can't, you know, you can't, you really can't do much better than this. So go to Dragon Fly therapy services.net, or she looks like she's on Instagram and Facebook. She's got a YouTube channel and she's on LinkedIn. We'll have those links for you in the show notes. We'll have dragonfly therapy services.net on there, and every which way that you can get ahold of Zulma.

If you're watching this on YouTube, please go ahead and hit that, like that subscribe and that notification bell so you always know when we're dropping a new episode. Please, if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, please go ahead and drop us a quick review and I don't even care if it's a good review.

You can be direct and honest with me and tell me how much you liked or disliked this episode. Dislike, so that I can evolve the podcast to something that will be beneficial for everybody. But Zulma, thank you. Thank you, thank you so much for this episode, which was informative, it was inspiring and it was very entertaining.

So we really appreciate it. Thank you so much. 

Zulma Williams: Thank you for having me. If you woke up today, that means that your mission in life is not done. So keep pushing through. Thank you for having me 

Brad Minus: and for Zulma and myself. Thank you very much for listening, and we'll see you in the next one.