From Trauma to Healing: The Power of Emotional Freedom Techniques with Sophia Torrini

Brad Minus: [00:00:00] And welcome back to another episode of life changing challengers. Again, I'm your host, Brad minus, and I am extremely lucky and just to be here. overwhelmed right now with having Sophia Torrini with us. She's a clinical EFT practitioner. She's an NCS certified trainer. And if you don't know those acronyms, we're going to get there.

I promise you. Either way, Sophia, how are you today?

Sophia Torrini: I am very good. And thank you very much for the invite. And it's an honor to be on your show.

Brad Minus: Oh, it's the honor and pleasure is all mine. But as I ask every guest. Sophia, can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, the compliment of your family, brothers and sisters, where you grew up and what was it like to be Sophia as a kid?

Sophia Torrini: So I was born in the States in New York and there, my parents were Greek that came to the States. And I was [00:01:00] born in New York out in Long Island. And my brother. I was already in boarding school when I was born. There are four kids. And then it was my sister, my other brother, and I'm the last. And I stayed till I was five.

My mother was not happy in the U. S. She wanted to go back to Greece. She's Greek and I moved, my sister left when I was two, she was sent to boarding school. So I pretty much grew with my other brother who's six years apart from me. And the two of us went to Greece with my mom and my father was left behind to close his practice that took seven years.

So while I was in the U. S., I was pretty happy and content. But the transition to move to Greece and be put in second grade, even though I could understand some Greek was a [00:02:00] rough adjustment and obviously I was missing my dad. And my mom had a lot of emotional challenges. So I have to say that the move to Greece was very traumatic and very challenging for me and not having a father for pretty much seven years.

had changed because my father took care of me. I was allowed to play. I had everything I wanted. And here now in Greece, he's trying to juggle two homes. And my mom had a lot of phobias. So it was challenging. I did well in school. And then I decided to go to a private all girls school. Just knowing how my mother would react if it was co ed and it was a very good decision.

I must have intuitively picked it up and the school was excellent. Because it had a lot of English because the secondary language [00:03:00] in Greek school is French. I spoke a little French, but for this school, it was English. And and at some point Because the grading system is different, a grade nine, you decide if you're going to do sciences or if you're going to do the arts.

So I chose the sciences. There were very few girls that chose the sciences. And I decided that I wanted to do my undergrad in chemistry. And but I also wanted to return back to where I was born. Now, my dad had returned when I was 13 and things were okay. There weren't the greatest things were really rough and he was significantly older.

He had me when he was 52. So he was significantly older. My mom was 43 when she had me. So the parents were kind, and I grew up with my brother [00:04:00] and I had this desire to flee. I just did not want to stay in Greece. I was not happy growing up. Let's put it that way. I did do two years at an American college there and I excelled.

And I wanted to see where I was born. So I came back to the States, but my parents did not agree. So I left my home with 250. Oh

Brad Minus: my gosh. Can

Sophia Torrini: I ask,

Brad Minus: What you said that your dad was closing his practice? What kind of practice was that? He

Sophia Torrini: was a dentist.

Brad Minus: Oh, okay. That makes sense why seven years.

Sophia Torrini: Yeah,

Brad Minus: because he's probably had a big clientele and he was probably born between letting them go and stuff like that.

Sophia Torrini: And my dad loved the states. He was born here but had the same thing. He grew up all his life in Greece. So my dad loved the

Brad Minus: states. Yeah, it's so interesting that you said that you didn't like Greece because to us, people that never been there.

Right. We're all, we always thinking, Oh, Greece. Paradise, beaches [00:05:00] and hills and old architecture and all that stuff. But to growing up in it, it was not what you thought it was. What was the biggest difference?

Sophia Torrini: The difference was, is girls were treated a little different.

And that was a challenge for me. Girls don't go to sciences, girls don't do this. Right. Before I left Greece, I bought a motorcycle. I was 18 years old and I had this big motorcycle and it was looked upon as something odd. And also people did not work after they finished high school and I needed to find a way to buy my motorcycle, but also to leave the country.

I had a plan. So when I got the job, the guy was very nice. I was a teacher of English. I said I was 18 because I finished school high school when I was 17. And I lied, but he had hired me and I ended up working for two years there. And he was a really good boss and a good employer and all the kids passed they were, they had to take the [00:06:00] TOEFL exam if they wanted, to apply to a foreign school.

So that's what I used to teach and it was a good experience for me to practice my English. I knew English cause I was born here, but then I didn't pick it up again till I was eight.

Brad Minus: Okay. So, so you went to an all girls secondary school.

Sophia Torrini: Great. After seventh and on, yes, we call it high school. So I finished elementary in a co ed and then the other six years wasn't an all girl's school.

Brad Minus: Oh, awesome. So yeah that's a little different than what I've been hearing. Cause like some European countries call it secondary school, some of that, so you've got elementary secondary, then go on to university and then we call it high school. And then you called it high school as well.

Okay, great. So we. That kind of gives a little bit of a little bit of a nonchalant trivial piece to anybody out there to and so, all right, so you went to, you said you went to an American college for two [00:07:00] years.

Sophia Torrini: There was a very good school. It was a continuation of the high school that I finished and I had excellent professors, and then I decided to come to the States.

I was accepted various schools, but obviously I didn't have the funding. And my first year in the U S was very rough. I had a. Hard time finding a place to stay. I was going to stay with someone that I knew it didn't work out. So I ended up cat sitting and I would move and move till finally about a year or a year and a half later I found this lovely girl who was a student at Columbia university and I ended up sharing I had the living room and she had the bedroom she turned out to be an absolutely lovely person and I had some temp jobs.

That I got in the finally Greek physician. said to me, why don't you come and work? I was already working for another Greek physician an OBGYN. And he [00:08:00] says, why don't you come and work for me? And I'll train you to become a manager and I'll train you to do insurance. And that was the best thing that ever happened to me.

So I would go to a story where the Greek community is and work in dermatology and he's still alive. He's an absolutely lovely man. And I worked for him for seven years. And

Brad Minus: that's a lot. That's how a lot of people get into healthcare, right? They get this idea, they get this back job, front desk or, insurance and billing.

And then they're like, Oh, this is neat. And they get to get a touch taste of it. And they're like, Wait a second, and then all of a sudden they move in. You find that EMTs, become paramedics and all of a sudden they want to go to medical school, billers that all of a sudden become administrators.

And so it's pretty neat. Yeah. That's a common thread that we've been finding in the healthcare industry.

Sophia Torrini: And he had a lovely nature. So he was into dermatopathology and he was care was not to sell [00:09:00] products and do cosmetic stuff, but how to help patients. patients and a lot of them had some rare diseases.

And I almost at the time was graduating and I finished my chemistry. And then I thought all the pharmaceuticals wanted me and I said, I can't work in a lab by myself. I realized at this point, this is not for me. And I had done also some computer science on the side. So I worked for, I attempted for a little while, and then I ended up working for a methadone program in New York City.

Brad Minus: So, where did you end up going to school in the seats?

Sophia Torrini: I went to Hunter College.

Brad Minus: Okay. Hunter College. Yeah, that's well known. All right. So, so you got your chemistry degree and they wanted you to go to the lab and obviously you weren't ready for that. I know a lot of people with a chemistry degree is like that pharmaceuticals end up going into pharmaceutical sales, which is big dollars, huge, but it sounded like you, you were more interested in.

like helping people,

Sophia Torrini: [00:10:00] the healing aspect. My father had that attitude. There was something that happened as a child. I think that I impacted me when I was four or five. There was this little kid on the block. We used to bike and something happened. He bit his tongue and he cut it in half. I remember that.

And my father took the kit in and stitched the tongue. And I remember witnessing it. And of course, the child. ended up being fine. Even though he was a dentist, he decided to do that. In those days, you could do the Good Samaritan work because we're talking, before 1970 and I just appreciated it.

I also had an accident and I saw how my father handled it so calmly. I used to play. There was a door and it was a glass door. You have your wood door and the glass door and there were two steps to go out to the street. Yeah, and as soon as you open the [00:11:00] door, and so I would run from the.

His living room where the clients were the waiting area, I should say, and press the door and the door would swing open and I would jump the two steps. The last patient that came in locked the door. So I went through the glass. Yes. Oh. Yes. And the the client started screaming, but I do remember so clearly my father came out so calm.

He took the glass, the glasses off, wrapped towels so the bleeding would stop. And then he took me to the hospital and the calmness that he had, I think intrigued me. It left me a very positive. image without the screaming, without panicking, why did you do it? There was no questions. Now, [00:12:00] my mother went crazy.

That's a different story. But I ended up having a collar for about a whole month and I was very lucky because it would have cut my trach. But I think that left me an impact and I always knew there was a healing. attitude. So when I realized chemistry is not the thing, I took some nutrition classes.

I was very fortunate to have a doctor that I knew at Columbia Presbyterian. He says, you know what, why don't you come a day and spend a day on the nutrition floor? And when I saw it was just managing the food, I said, no, there's no way I could do this. So that was out. And I ended up getting a job in methadone maintenance.

And so I liked it. I did a lot of administrative work, a lot of computer work, and then supervising people. And I had a very lovely [00:13:00] boss who's still my friend today after so many years and I decided then afterwards I was going to do my master's.

Brad Minus: Nice. Can I just step back real quick? Just so you said it's methadone maintenance.

Can you explain to me what that is please?

Sophia Torrini: Yes. Methadone is a synthetic medication. We give people who are addicted on heroin. but we maintain them. So they would come every day in the clinic every morning, take their methadone. So it blocks your desire to want heroin.

Brad Minus: Okay. So it helps them to withdrawals and the

Sophia Torrini: program though that was designed and there were 23 clinics and I would oversee these clinics and we're talking, we had 9, 000 patients.

So we got a pretty big census and it was a pretty big job for me. I very good job for me. And I learned a lot [00:14:00] seeing what the medical model looks like.

Brad Minus: With methadone maintenance, and just and I'm just curious, we're going to get we're going to keep going. But I'm just absolutely curious about the methadone.

What was at the time and I know this was a little while ago, what was the like success, the success factor on something beyond methadone versus somebody doing cold turkey?

Sophia Torrini: I will discuss that when I finish my master's degree.

Brad Minus: Oh,

Sophia Torrini: okay. It was very it wasn't, they were maintained for most of their life and then eventually they, the patients would die from secondary ailments.

There was a very small, it was less than 10%. if I remember well, that could wean off and move on. And just since you asked the question, it is a little bit humiliating for the person who's addicted because they come every morning before seven o'clock if they're working and they [00:15:00] have to be in front of a nurse to see that they're swallowing their medication because a lot of people sold it and you have to come in and you're dependent to this thing every morning and the urine tests you regularly.

because heroin addicts don't easily give up. So, and there was a big population that would find ways to first it was pill and then we went liquid, but somehow even managed the liquid to spit it out. So, and then sell it. It was crazy stuff. And then some of the nurses, we had to put once we went to liquid methadone, we had to test to make sure that the methadone that they were given wasn't diluted and no one was taking the methadone.

So on the side of the clinic, a few blocks away, there was heavy selling on Friday night. So you would sell the methadone to get heroin.

Brad Minus: Oh, geez. So methadone was there to [00:16:00] make sure that they were, they're going to be able to get better and they're supposed to be able to like wean off of it, but it ended up being addicted to either methadone or finding a way to sell the methadone so they can get real heroin.

Oh, wow. What a catch 22.

Sophia Torrini: But there was a good group of patients. I can't remember if it was 10 or 15 percent and it was an honor. It was given to me. It was a real honor. It was getting the role called aftercare. So these were patients who actually turned their life around. Let's see what the number is.

It was 150 patients, I think from the 8, 000. So that's a very small number, right? That I would review their chart. And they would come and pick up their methadone for 15 days. So every 15 days, they would come and pick up their methadone and take it home. And they turned out to be very successful CEOs for big companies.

They literally had turned their life [00:17:00] around, but it was a very small number.

Brad Minus: That's amazing, right? Because here you are trying to manage people getting one dose at a time every day, yet you give 15 doses to somebody who really wants it. And they don't sell it or anything. They use it and they become successful.

That is such a dichotomy, but I, but it make, it doesn't make sense. Somebody who wants it, somebody who really wants it. They stick to a program, the program works. So you what did you end up getting your master's in?

Sophia Torrini: I got my master's in public health and epidemiology. So I decided I got accepted to a few schools and I went and visited a couple in Scotland and also in the UK, I was accepted in the U S.

I wanted an education similar to the Greek educational system. So there's a difference in the U S we do multiple choice and your masters here is you do your masters and then at the end [00:18:00] you either do a test, a cumulative test and you've got your masters. And I think at the time there were, or an option of a thesis.

Now the UK, you have to do both. The difference was. It wasn't multiple choice. They wanted to see your critical thinking, which is what I had been raised. So what I have to say for my Greek culture, I learned critical thinking. So when you had a problem in school, I had never seen multiple choice till I came in the US.

I didn't even know what it was. You had to derive your answer. So all of your tests were derivation and it was similar in the UK. So I was drawn to that. And I ended up going to the University of Edinburgh. Now I gave my notice. My boss said, I can't hold your position for two years. So when, find something else.

Brad Minus: Wow. So talk about changes in [00:19:00] life. Start in the U S love it. Go to Greek, go to Greece, not crazy about it. Come back to the, come back to the States. You got successful. And now you're going to Edinburgh, a whole new change. What was that like?

Sophia Torrini: I loved Edinburgh. I loved Edinburgh. The people were great.

The school was exceptional. The only thing that sucked was the weather. It was dark all the time and it was very depressing. Other than that, my experience in Scotland was great till It was time to do my thesis, and here's where the big challenge happens. So, when you do your master's, they want you to do a literature review, and I'll explain what a literature review is.

Since the degree was in epidemiology, and epidemiology is the study of diseases, and it has a lot of statistics, you just look what other people did, and just You write what [00:20:00] they did, you compare studies, and so my tutor was a very prominent big name that worked for the national health system there, and I said to her, I am not doing a literature review.

I said, what's the purpose? I wanted to do it in method on maintenance. I said, what's the purpose to rehash what was already done? I already started seeing there was something wrong in the method on maintenance program. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I knew there was something wrong. So she turned around and she said, if you don't do the literature review, you're thrown out of the program.

So I said, I'm not doing it. So I get thrown you could get a diploma. I get thrown out of the program. So the registrar my boyfriend and a friend of mine said, gave me two options. Either agree. [00:21:00] Or just do your diploma and suck it up and I said, I didn't come all the way from the other side of the pond to get a diploma.

I thought I was going to stay in methadone maintenance at the times. So, I thought it through. I decided to go to the chair of the department. I made a few meetings. He was an absolutely lovely man. And he said, I says, what would you like to do? I said, I want to do a critical appraisal of the effectiveness of methadone maintenance.

on patients. He says, that's a super big task. I said that's what I want to do. I said, if I end up working in methadone maintenance, I really need to know if methadone maintenance is effective. I do not believe in actually in methadone, if methadone is effective, I do not believe in the maintenance model, which is 20, 30 years staying on it because that's [00:22:00] another addiction.

So there was some back and forth. And he says there's no tutors left. I can give you a Ph. D. student who can tutor you. And then I would review. And if you don't pass, then you lost your opportunity. And since this went back and forth for about a month or two I had to extend my stay, for two more months.

And so I said, yes, the tutor was a lovely woman from Australia. I ended up working day and night and. I did pass and what came out of it was very interesting and I found out 20 years later they implemented it in Scotland, actually more than 20 years later. So the research indicated that Method on maintenance on its own is not effective.

You would have to give them social [00:23:00] skills, occupational therapy, some emotional support, and some other support for between 2 and 5 years. So by 5, anywhere between 2 and 5 years, You would have to wean them off and there's a way to wean them off from methadone. You can't just wean them off just like that because they're going to go through withdrawal and it's a pretty bad withdrawal.

But the key part is the what they can stay on is two to five years max. But the other services are absolutely necessary in order for the person to be rehabilitated. You not give them occupational therapy. You not address their emotional needs. You have to give them some vocational support some other skills for them to cope.

Brad Minus: That's really astute. And I have to, man, I totally praise you for that. Just the idea, your vision of it, right? Knowing that this literary [00:24:00] review was absolutely doing nothing for you and deciding that, hey, you know what? You're going to risk. your all of the schooling that you've done, not get your degree because you're passionate about getting this review done.

And I gotta praise you for that because not a lot of people would have the courage to sit there and say, Hey, listen, I just don't I don't get, this is not going to help me. And it's not going to help you any for me to do that, but this can help a lot of people. So let me do this. And so I got to praise you.

I got to praise your chapter or the department head that you worked with. And absolutely

Sophia Torrini: the guy, absolutely. I think it was name is Dr. Folks. Absolutely a lovely man. And he would meet with me at night and the tutor was superb. And then my classmates graduated in the summer. I graduated at the end of November.

It didn't matter. And before I graduated call, I get a call at a random from my boss [00:25:00] at I worked here at Beth Israel in, And he called me back, says, I have a new position for you if you want to come back. So I come back and I said, I will only work under you. So, I ended up working and I did a lot of computer work as well, which I loved.

I had the same. desire and I would do some billing reports and I would set up. There was Fortran in those days.

Brad Minus: Oh my God. I can't believe you just said Fortran. That's hilarious. Oh I'm in the, I'm in the it field outside of my on side of of coaching endurance athletes. So when you said four, that is like a, that's a blast from the past formula.

Transfer Fortran. And I

Sophia Torrini: did some assembly at Hunter. I would read the dump. I had a minor in computer science, so I always had an interest for both. So I get the job and then he leaves and the [00:26:00] new boss who I knew, I. I could not deal with, it was just pushing paperwork and he was very innovative. He really cared for the patients.

And so I get recruited to go to Greece to set up the methadone program in Athens. And so I ended up going, but I did not last. I stayed 30 days. and I just packed my stuff and it was a heartbreak for me to leave. Because my, I loved my parents, but I could not fit in the system. I, the system was not catered really to help the patients.

So I, said no. And then obviously I was very young and then they needed favors on the side of other nature that I don't want to discuss on the show. And I said, [00:27:00] I just, I have to get out of here. So I felt bad because my father had gotten sick. So I left

Brad Minus: the way you talked about Greece. I'm almost, I'm I know the idea of you starting a brand new methadone program is probably, was probably completely just so totally up your alley, totally something that you wanted to do, but with the way you talked about how you felt in Greece, it's almost as it's almost surprising to say that you were actually even went back.

So that's super interesting. Your power to, to help the people overpowered your sense of. of environment.

Sophia Torrini: The culture is absolutely lovely. The family system is very good. rules and regulation are whatever the politician wants. So, and I think the limitation as a child growing up or a teenager is I had other [00:28:00] ideas.

So it was a very structured, you have to fit the norm, the female has to behave a certain way. I have nothing against the people in their hearts, and their kindness. Is superb. Absolutely superb. And one thing is they know how to enjoy life. And the food is very good challenge was the girl or the female had to follow those rules.

Otherwise, it was frowned upon. And that I think was my challenge or to have other ideas. No, it can't be done this way. I think I intuitively was picking up because my schooling in Greece. was superb. I cannot say anything about my whole years of schooling. My education was 10 times excellent. I don't think I could have had this education [00:29:00] in the US.

I think it was this thing you have to fit in your role. That was my challenge. And you can't have other ideas. At the time, we were all being raised as Greek Orthodox, and I clashed with the strict religion. I think that it's not that I had anything against the people. The people, I still go back and visit, I have friends, I have my elementary girlfriend, and I have other friends that I've kept for all my life.

It was being different and not doing the status quo. I think that was the challenge.

Brad Minus: So were you saying that if you were to stay in Greece, that you probably wouldn't be able to do what you're doing now, or even be able to complete if you wanted to complete that, that's, yeah, I get that. Is it still that way?

Sophia Torrini: [00:30:00] It's opening up, but there's no openness. Like here, people are really open for alternative modalities. Right. That still has not. If the doctor said something, that is it. You need to follow what the doctor, not even think about another possibility. And I think that's where my challenges, it has nothing to do.

It's, they've been programmed in a certain way and it was The growing up was so homogeneous that the correct God was Greek Orthodox. And I answered one day and I, they frowned upon, I was pretty much young. I said, I personally did not meet Jesus. How do I know this is the right thing? Once I meet him, I said, I'll make that decision.

Now I believe in Christ consciousness. I do not believe in a religion. I believe. the divine is in the person.

Brad Minus: I, you know what, I'm like right there with you on that. So, I grew up Jewish actually, and I still [00:31:00] I still was in cater to that as well. So that's something we have in common.

All right. So You leave Greece and you weren't there that long that you said, but there was reasons for it. And what did you end up coming back to the States?

Sophia Torrini: Yeah. And I tempted for a while and I become a network engineer from Novel. And

Brad Minus: wow, now you're really going back. Novel.

Sophia Torrini: Wow. And I became both an engineer and an administrator.

I did four or five and six and I really loved it, but I could not see myself working in the field and I ended up then going back to health care. I think that was my thing. And I tempted, which was actually a very good experience for several years. I would have temp jobs where you work three months or a year and I did various modalities.

And then I ended up going to a hospital setting to a major institution in New York City where I worked. And then I stayed in [00:32:00] medicine till I became an EFT practitioner.

Brad Minus: Okay. So, what were you doing as in New York? What did you end up doing?

Sophia Torrini: Usually office manager jobs, doing the billing, overseeing.

I worked in cancer. I worked in gastroenterology, I worked in plastics, so I had a wild I worked in orthopedics, and then I ended up working in cardiology for seven years. We had 59 physicians at the time, so it was a big department and we created also a private diagnostic department, which was great for me because I'd seen.

still believed in the medical model, but I believed in preventive medicine. So there was this private program and I loved that. And then I switched to another department and having seen all the way that what they asked the patients to preauthorize and [00:33:00] whatever, and turning the patient away if they didn't have the preauthorization, I designed what they didn't what they now have.

The concept of a medical record because I had been a patient at the Mayo Clinic. And so I saw how seamless it was going to the mail. They had some paperwork that you did it. By hand, but then when you went into the Mayo, they were moving to electronic. So I was thoroughly impressed and It was very hard to change the hospital system But my department finally did that and we integrated it to what they call the epic EMR There was war but we did do it and we were the first department

Brad Minus: what epic?

Holy crap. I'm sorry. I helped Tampa General Hospital implement Epic and then I did a couple of upgrade. I was a [00:34:00] project manager and helping getting a couple of upgrades done. And then I was doing training and everything. I was I was helping facilitate training on Epic. Wow. What a small world.

Epic's amazing. It's one of them. I think it and even the corporation itself, it's literally like a mini Google over there. In Kansas,

Sophia Torrini: it's, so in 2005 and four, they had all this stuff in Epic, but you had to come into the hospital to fill out the forms. . My whole thing was to pre authorize it, so I wasn't super good, but I wrote a query in DBMS with a friend of mine that when the patient got registered on the phone.

It would go and check if the boxes, because it was IDX to epic so that we didn't have epic. The whole thing at epic was the EMR. The registration [00:35:00] is an old antiquated system, IDX, and there was ward to push it out. So someone helped me to write a DBMS query. And since I had done some. Languaging it worked great.

So there was a report that would come three days out to the registration team saying, The insurance is not right or the insurance is right. This is their co pay and here's the preauthorization. So that reduced our no show reduced pushing the clients away and the flow, because we saw in a small department, we saw 98 to a hundred and something patients a day.

Brad Minus: That's a lot. Holy moly. So, but you were at the Mayo Clinic for a reason.

Sophia Torrini: Yes. So prior to getting the job, just before I got hired for the hospital setting, I was not really [00:36:00] happy in my life. There was always, I always kept myself busy cause I didn't know how to handle my emotions. So I had, A very abrupt ending with my significant other that put me in a spiral and I did not know how to process.

My emotions at all and I'm looping for three years and I really am not happy and I just want it out. I could not see a future, even though I had many partners before, but something about this particular situation and I just couldn't get a knack of me. So all of a sudden, and I would never go to the hospital.

Hospital or ever get sick. I was never sick. I was exceptionally healthy. I used to run every day and I'm in severe [00:37:00] pain, and a friend nurse says, you need to go to the hospital. I was resistant. I could barely get out of bed. Literally, there was so much pain and my physician. I called him because the pain was in the abdomen.

Great physician. He says, I'm going fishing. I said, please. He says, I can't see you. I said, and my boss who was a surgeon said, you need to go to the hospital. He was actually visiting Florida for a conference for a day or two. And my friend nurse takes me and they say, You need to be operated right now.

And first they said I had appendicitis. I said no. Then they came up with other things. I said you have it wrong. And then they said you have interception. And I said no. I don't meet the criteria. I don't meet the age group. No, this is what you have. I was already now on morphine. I consented to a surgery I did not need.

Oh, [00:38:00]

Brad Minus: geez. And just the fact that you had been around it, this is what I was talking about before is, people start in a very small position, a very entry level position, all of a sudden they get really interested and they start taking in all that knowledge. And that's like what you did because you knew as they were pledging all these different diagnoses to you, which to me, that was the fact that they kept getting it wrong.

That's a red flag. And but the fact that, but you're still in pain. So I was

Sophia Torrini: in excruciating pain, but I didn't match the criteria. It's a condition that happens in babies or people who are in their eighties or seventies. And I was in my forties. I was actually turning 40. So the surgery takes place.

I go unconscious. I was going to be reopened again cause they took up my organs, put them back in. And they couldn't find. this interception. And I developed [00:39:00] secondary conditions to make a long story short. My lungs collapsed. I got pleural effusions. I got septic. I had a fever from before that I did have, but now I can't breathe.

And I did not like the mask and the stuff. And I wasn't a very compliant. I couldn't breathe with it. And they said, you have a few days to live. And they, my boss came to me, says, you need to make arrangements. I can't be the one to do. And my brother was in Greece. So I at that point I was so depressed.

I said, I don't really care. I might as well just go. I was, I'm out of this world, but somehow I'm not dead yet. And then my brother comes and then. A lovely nurse was her last day on the floor. I think she was an angel sent and she said, you're not coming [00:40:00] alive out of this floor unless you do your own intervention.

I know you're very bright, both of you, and you need to figure out what you're going to do. So we researched some weird stuff. There was clash within the hospital and the hospital wanted me to force my brother to leave because he was a dentist. But my brother had already done some veterinary before and he had general medicine.

And on day 22, we asked for this. There were some complications. They gave me some medication. My heart almost stopped. They have to give me an antidote. The bottom line is I was in pretty bad shape. And a week before my brothers, cause I was on morphine, maybe it was 10 days before, and I'm being cautious to say this on this, but I started [00:41:00] not taking my pills.

And then I, my brother would bring me some Xanax from home because of the pain and I would put the pills under the pillow and he would take and throw them in the garbage. And then he removed my IVs and there was a blood transfusion that I reacted and he did not want me to have the second blood transfusion.

Right. He stopped the heparin 'cause I was bleeding. And now I'm 93 pounds. I'm 127. So you can imagine pretty bad shape, but we did get neostigmine. And kindly enough, after a lot of force, it was my boss's son who gave it to me because I literally forced them. A surgeon has to give them, he was a gastroenterologist.

I said, I worked for your dad. I've done all these favors. You need to do something. I literally cornered him and he gave me a double [00:42:00] dose and it's your body supposed to return in 20 minutes, but it did. It returned in eight hours and they wanted to operate. So the head The head chair of the department says math didn't work.

We're going to remove your intestine. And my brother and I cursed and said over my dead body says by Monday, she'll burst. He says, if she burst my Monday, this was a Friday. And my brother gets angry and he says, give her a chance. Her body hasn't worked in 22 days. I know what the textbook says. Eight hours later, there was some life back in the organs because the organs were shutting down and then we forced for a discharge, but I ended up having Health challenges later on and that's what took place, but I did get discharged 23 days later.

Brad Minus: So they tell [00:43:00] you've got this inception And they keep giving you possible diagnosis. They come up with this, they do this they do this surgery. It wasn't the right thing. Now you're still in pain and they got morphine. And I kept thinking to yourself, you can't, we can't put you on morphine.

I'm thinking she's going to have to do her own methadone program. But but, and you finally get some some intersection with your your bosses. Son and your brother and and they get you back to being close. And then you decide that, alright, I'm out. A MA I'm out of here.

Sophia Torrini: Yeah, I'm out of there. But I learned how to spit my pills from my methadone, my . Yeah. My methadone maintenance clients. They had the tricks. 'cause the, the nurse would come and she says, let me see you swallow it and. I just knew the pills were making me sick. And yes, the morphine I loved, it would give me a high, but I knew eventually, I don't know if [00:44:00] that we give to end stages people morphine and I had already been 20 something days.

So my breathing was getting so shallow. Right. I could not breathe anymore. And so that's when my brother said, you have to find another way. to deal with the pain. So the only thing I had was something at home, whatever I had. And that's but the nurse was very instrumental for me. It was her last day on the floor and she whispered in my ear, this is what you need to do.

And I then come out for two years being, I do go back to work being miserable, having issues. And everyone kept on telling me you have to remove organs and I would say no. And I go to the Mayo and I love it. They, [00:45:00] I would have to go three times a year, stay two weeks at a time, try to do some rehabilitation and I would cope.

I would cope. I wasn't miserable, but I would cope.

Brad Minus: It just, the pain and the uncomfortableness just became part of the part of life and you just learn to live with it.

Sophia Torrini: And whenever I would stress, I would get these major flare ups. And having worked in the hospital and having had a connection, I got in because the waiting list was close to two years.

I had already applied. Then I used the connection and I got in six months and I got in to the best person that could have been suited for me. Open minded, really very loving the best person I could have picked. It was great. And then this experimental drug came in. And you couldn't get it in the U.

S., and I had a patient who was in the U. K., she got it from the U. K., shipped it to me, then Customs stopped it, and I stayed on the [00:46:00] medication for a while. It was very hard to get a non FDA approved medication.

Brad Minus: Right. And that medication did that turn everything around for you or did it just make it a lot easier to make

Sophia Torrini: it a lot easier.

I would have a lot of headaches and side effects, but I could function and I could cope. So my organs were working well till I'm highly stressed again. In 2016 and now nothing's working. So I go back to the Mayo twice and pretty much my medications are not working. And at this point my quality of life was deteriorating.

I can't eat and I can't do stuff.

Brad Minus: Wow.

Sophia Torrini: And I said there has to be. Another way because now the choice, I'm not going to die tomorrow, but it's going to be a progressive, miserable death. [00:47:00] So And my partner was so loving, same partner that I was devastated from years ago. We ended up coming back together and he was the best support I could have ever had.

And he looked at me and he said, did you ever consider if you're gone, how it's going to affect me? And that was the turning point. That was the turning point. I said, there has to be another way.

Brad Minus: So what did you do? What did you go about? How did you go about researching that?

Sophia Torrini: I started researching alternative, but I do want to add one thing.

When I had this crazy ideas, all my Greek friends say just remove your organ. And he would say, when I ended up at the Mayo, you do, I know you're going to figure it out, you do what's right for you. So he always supported. My [00:48:00] ideas, which I think was very instrumental. So when I decided to stop doing certain tests and whatever, he says, if you feel let them help, don't do them.

And I didn't do them. So I went online and I did some research and I bumped into Dr. Joe dispensers work,

Brad Minus: Joe dispenser. Yes.

Sophia Torrini: And I read all four. Books and I would repeat it to my partner. He says, you're really into this. I said, I don't know something about this is really making a lot of sense. So I tried to get into an event.

It was sold out. I had to fly to Brighton, I had a huge transformational experience that lasted for two and a half months, but I cannot process or embody, master your emotions. That was very [00:49:00] difficult for me to grasp at the time. Right. And he said, even if you heal, if you do not master your emotions in your body, the condition is going to come and it's going to come worse.

That's exactly what happened to me. And so I am now more miserable than before. And my ex boyfriend's sister, who was Jewish his, the mother called me. They had just finished Shiva. The daughter had died from a similar condition and I went into panic and I went into fear. So my life spiraled and she was younger than me.

So I found this lovely, I had tried EFT before and I said, this is crazy. I don't even understand how this stuff works. I found this lovely practitioner. It was a very tough cookie. Absolutely what I needed. And [00:50:00] she says, you need to let go of your anger, you're going to need to forgive. So what do you mean forgive?

What they did to me? Forgive? And she said, yeah I ended up doing all the above. And then I got off my meds. Took me 18 months.

Brad Minus: Okay, so we covered a couple things and it's absolutely, it's in the title of your of your titles down here. So EFT, that's Emotional Functional Training.

Sophia Torrini: EFT, emotional freedom technique and the reason it's called EFT because it's the one that we measure. So we, it's, we do clinical trials on it, so.

Brad Minus: So emotional freedom technique. So can you give us a little bit of definition of what that entails?

Sophia Torrini: Absolutely. So let me give a preface from what I understand from Dr.

Joe's work and I'm also a [00:51:00] firm believer. The body. Is electric and it has an electromagnetic field around it and the cells communicate with electrical charges when the charges don't communicate well between and there's not a certain voltage, there are static and deterioration on the body. So all disease is a lowering of frequency when a person dies, what do we do?

We take two paddles and we put it on their heart to revive them. And I want to give something more to you. I'm sure you remember the old Walkman's

Brad Minus: and

Sophia Torrini: you would put a battery in there and if you left it six months or two years, what would happen to the battery? Do you remember?

Brad Minus: Yeah, it would degrade and it wouldn't work.

Sophia Torrini: it would acidify in this fluid.

Brad Minus: Right.

Sophia Torrini: That's what happens [00:52:00] when the emotions in the body are not processed energetically. So they acidify, they calcify and we often find calcification in the arteries. So emotions not being what are emotions, it's energy in motion. And what is energy is information. So the emotion is carrying information.

Emotions are meant to be felt and let go, not meant to ruminate. on, which is what I did before I got sick. I was eliminating all my emotions. I'm the one who brought up the illness unconsciously to myself because I couldn't break free from my limiting thoughts and beliefs.

Brad Minus: That's, that is a total paradigm shift.

We think of, this, we think of psychiatry, psychos psych, psychology, and the [00:53:00] whole bit is this, Hey, this is just these emotions that we have. It really has no physiology to it. It's like, all right, id, ego, you just need to change the way you think and get rid of this and blah, blah, blah.

But there's actually a science behind it and makes makes a lot more sense when you say it. That we have to look at these emotional responses as electricity and as a as an electrical message and the message is supposed to go from one place to the other. So you process the information and then let it go.

Correct. And that's what it's meant to do. But we have a lot of us, a lot of us. Just the fact that you people that hold. grudges. That's stirring that degrading of emotions that's in within you.

Sophia Torrini: Absolutely. So let me make one minor correction. So the thoughts are electrical, the emotion when you have a wire and I'm sure you know it from computers [00:54:00] around the wire, there's an electromagnetic field.

So the electrical wire creates an electromagnetic field. The emotions. are magnet electromagnetic. Okay. So an emotion holds many thoughts and limiting beliefs. And I will address what EFT is once I give this explanation. So when you're angry, actually, when you have a limiting thought, I can't believe he did it.

How dare they do it to me. Right. And you keep on ruminating on that neurotransmitters, neuro peptides, neurotransmitters. Transcribed by https: otter. ai get released from the brain from your Olympic brain to be exact. From your neocortex to your Olympic and they go down your spinal cord and they activate the hormonal system.

And what do we do? It goes down your spinal cord and you have two adrenal glands. It starts [00:55:00] squirting adrenaline. Once you have adrenaline, Now you're in the loop. Now this is a secondary thing that happens that most so besides being stuck in the loop where you can't get off the looping thoughts because the cycle is not broken, you've activated your sympathetic nervous system.

The sympathetic nervous system now is going to produce cortisol and we know what cortisol does. So now you're headed for disease. Right. So that's what I did when I, prior to getting sick, I was just doing this unconsciously. So EFT, what is it? It's a combination between cognitive therapy and tapping on the acupressure or meridian points.

around the body to shift or to move [00:56:00] energy. And what EFT does, the research indicates it down regulates six disease six genes of stress. One of them is cortisol. It resets the amygdala, which is your fear center. And for traumatic memories, there's a way to process them They are reset in the hippocampus because you're always replaying your past in your head and you're predicting your future based on your past.

All you need to do is take your past and re plaster it in the future with new characters. Because that's what we're doing when we're looping. You always anticipate the worst case scenario and before you know it, the worst case scenario has happened.

Brad Minus: Interesting. So we're actually manifesting our own future.

If we can remain in that loop,

Sophia Torrini: the same way [00:57:00] I manifested those unfortunate conditions. I kept on saying, I want out. What did I attract an experience that was going to take me out? That's all I kept on saying. I want out. I can't take this. I can't process this. I want out. I got something. It took three years, but I almost got out.

Brad Minus: Oh, that's incredible. That's that whole adage of if you think you can't, you won't. If you think you can. You will

Sophia Torrini: correct.

Brad Minus: That's yeah. Now that makes a lot more sense now to me. Because again, we think of thoughts and feelings as just that it's just thoughts and feelings and you can, think about it, you can get rid of it or not.

But for those that do, you're actually hurting yourself.

Sophia Torrini: Correct.

Brad Minus: That's incredible. That even

Sophia Torrini: if they're not manifest, and let's assume you don't buy into that [00:58:00] model, though, we do know that there's a few experiments in neuroscience that the brain knows about six seconds before what image is going to be projected.

And. It's changed in the brain. So if it's a negative image, the fear center gets activated. So the brain already knows and your science has proven these. So these are not spiritual teachings. And we do know because we use electrocephalograms, we do know that the thought is electrical and we can measure.

the toroidal field around the body. So that is measurable. And there was a famous physician called Dr. David Hawkins, a psychiatrist who did the maps of consciousness and measured the frequency for every emotion. And he said, anything below courage, which was fear, apathy, angry judgment, is life depleting.

[00:59:00] And so Everything above that is now enabling the body and I can go in a little bit more into it. But let's finish what EFT. So EFT is a modality that helps you feel the emotion and let it go. And emotions are meant to last 90 seconds to two minutes when we don't ruminate on them. It takes a while to get there and you just feel them and people feel the energy either going up or going down or they feel a knot.

A lot of people, when they're anxious, they get a knot in their stomach and they can't feel that. And Chinese medicine has associated an organ for each emotion. I'm sorry, liver holds anger. The kidneys hold fear, the hearts hold a heartache and certain conditions have an emotional [01:00:00] story besides it. So I also had pneumonia in the hospital.

So pneumonia is feeling powerless and being attacked from the world and not being able to cope. So that's where EFT. with some other modalities, which is called metaconsciousness tie in together and the person can start healing those emotional blocks in their body.

Brad Minus: I am I'm flabbergasted here. I get mind blown.

The idea that you had mentioned that emotions were meant to be felt and let go in 90 to two 90 seconds to two minutes. I always tell my clients, I'm like, when you cross the finish line and you're really angry at how you did, you're just basically I can't believe I did it that way. I feel like I failed and blah, blah, blah.

And I always tell him, I'm like, all right, you're allowed to yell, scream and cry for 20 minutes. And then you need to, then you need to let go and start thinking about the next race. And I say [01:01:00] and I say the same thing about the other side as well, is if they came across and they hit their goal and they're excited.

You know what I mean? I say the same thing because there's always another goal to hit. That's go up, say, savor it for 20 minutes and then go. Now you've got me thinking now I'm going to need to tell them, all right, no, you get 90 seconds to two minutes on the negative side and you get 20 minutes on the positive side.

Sophia Torrini: Oh, you can't do that in the beginning. So eventually this is going to come naturally in the beginning. My anger would last for weeks. Okay, so then I shortened down to days. Now, I don't always get like this more depends on what emotion this morning in meditation, I was able to see the grief come and leave when you sit with the body.

The key here is not to tell we can just tell them how long they're meant to last, but we can't force them to it [01:02:00] because they have so much accumulated emotion from before. And it's a learning experience. So the focus should be Once they're aware how long you're going to stay in it, and then let them, the person, because I went down.

Gradually.

Brad Minus: Progressively. Yeah.

Sophia Torrini: You can't. The person can't because now we're going to shut them down. What do you mean? I can't do it in 90 minutes. Brad is nuts. What do you say? I'm sorry. 90 seconds. What is he saying? There's no emotion that can go. To take it further advanced. has some information where he breathes into the emotions and he pushes it out.

I'm not as evolved to that point to do that yet, but that's the ultimate go.

Brad Minus: All right. Okay. So that I will say that. When I was given that, when I was told, Hey, listen, you're done with the race. You didn't feel good about it. And you just feel [01:03:00] like you just totally failed. You get 20 minutes. That was the best advice I ever got.

One of the best advice I ever got. Cause I literally timed myself. I'm like, I come across and I'm like, God dang it. Ba. And he's my coach was like, you're allowed to yell, scream, cry, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever you need to do. But when that timer goes off for 20 minutes, And sign for you to start looking forward at that point, and I was, that was some of the best advice because I would ruminate it on for weeks now, not as, it wouldn't be as emotional.

It wouldn't be like pulling at my heartstrings or anything. It would still be there. Like every time I think about how badly I did or where I really, I tended to fail myself. It would still tug here, but afterwards, when I was finally given this told, Hey, set a timer, you get 20 minutes and you're done.

I would still maintain the lessons. But I wouldn't, it wouldn't feel it. I wouldn't feel it anymore. It would just be okay. This is what you did. [01:04:00] This is how, this is why I came here. So let's put some training sessions together so we can get better, stronger, faster in that situation. So the next time you're in that situation, you won't have to go through, you won't have to go through what you did.

So when you cross the finish line, you come back and you're smiling again. That's what we want. Right. That's what I tell my clients. I'm like, I don't care how you did what the time was and everything else, but I want you coming across the finish line smiling. If you're coming across suffering, that's a bad, that's not a, that's not an emotion that we want.

We want you to come across smiling. So you might not have done as well as you did the day before. But you felt great. That's my, that's personally my methodology.

Sophia Torrini: It's an excellent methodology. And the key here is you gave them something reasonable 20 minutes and we call that the refractory period.

That's what it's called.

Brad Minus: Refractory period. Okay, cool.

Sophia Torrini: So it's considered emotional intelligence, being aware of what it is, and they're going to say, I'm not going to stay in that. And eventually after the 20 minutes, you're guiding them to something positive. Now let's address why [01:05:00] this is crucial. So when you're in an angry state or these other emotions that are lower in frequency on the map of consciousness, anything below 200, your brainwaves are beta brainwaves.

And person when in beta brainwaves cannot see solutions, the voice in the head is in your head and you can hear it 24 7 judging you. And the body now is already in a sympathetic mode. There is no healing that can take place. Why? Because when you're in the sympathetic mode, we were programmed based on survival.

the blood to go to the extremities, the pupils to dilate and the gastric juices to stop down that to, to slow down. So what does it do to the body? There's no way [01:06:00] you can digest any food. Why most people nowadays have all these conditions digestive wise. So we unconsciously have activated the sympathetic nervous system.

by thought through our emotion, by feeling angry or shame is actually even worse than anger because it's more life depleting on the maps of consciousness. And there's no way the body is going to heal because when the sympathetic nervous system is activated, it's designed to do three things to run.

to hide or to fight because it was created. If a tiger was gonna chase you, but in this case, it's not the tiger. It's your coworker who activated you and you think it's normal to ruminate. And we watch these reality shows and we watch all the stuff on TV [01:07:00] and we think it's okay. And I'm going to use something from Dr.

Joe's work, and psychology tells us that these feelings are normal. They are not. Your true essence is meant to be in joy and peace. That's what you were created in the image of divinity. That is your true state. Unfortunately, that is not where we are. So how do we change it? Just exactly as you've said.

But we want to change our brain waves. That is the key thing. So athletes go into a flow and go into the zone. Their brain waves is an alpha. That's when they can mentally see stuff visualize something or imagine something. It doesn't have to be visualization. And what do they do before a race? They play the race as them succeeding, but they also watch [01:08:00] where can they be an obstacle just in case it hits.

So they're doing a mental rehearsal so they can be perfect. That is exactly what they're doing. And there is an experiment that actually shows that mental rehearsal is as, as effective as real practice, because the body doesn't know the difference if it's a real life experience or by thought alone.

So now you have the person in alpha brains, The sympathetic nervous system ha the has been turned off. Now you have the parasympathetic, which is rest and digest, so the bo the blood returns back into the internal organs. And where are most of the diseases for inside the internal organs? Because the blood has gone to the extremities.

There's no blood flow.

Brad Minus: It's genius. So, we want to be [01:09:00] activating our parasympathetic nervous system. Not that our sympathetic nervous system is not going to be activated at some point, but we need to temper that down. So, techniques that, meditation. Those are these techniques to actually activate the parasympathetic brainwaves

Sophia Torrini: first.

EFT releases emotions and it puts you often in an alpha state. Breathwork, but when we talk about breathwork, you've seen a person who's anxious. They see something. Guess what happened? I did. That traumatic image did not flow to leave. It got stored in my tissue because the breath stopped where my diaphragm is.

Brad Minus: Right.

Sophia Torrini: What do the yogis do? They do a full cyclical breath. They always breathe in the belly. Why did the Buddha have a belly? Not because he was fat. [01:10:00] Because he had learned to push the breath into his belly, which is why breath work is another excellent modality to release him for releasing emotions. So, EFT is a fast one.

Breathwork is as equivalent depending what the person. I often use both, but I've personally have found and the research has found that EFT is one of the fastest. There's other techniques. There's a lovely technique. The Somatic Experience by Peter Levine, who's a great. Physician where they take you through a process and you observe and feel the emotion in the body.

Now, the difference between us and animals is if you have a cat or a dog, mostly a dog, If the dog gets scared or let's say it's a bear and you can research it, you'll find videos [01:11:00] online chased by a tiger. It will activate its sympathetic nervous system. But after the tiger and it's back into safety, the bear gets up and starts shaking to release that energy.

that it wasn't able to release while it was being chased. Unfortunately, humans have not been taught to release energy. Now, when you start tapping or even breath work, you will notice people start shaking. I started shaking my first year in EFT. I no longer shake because the energy was stuck and it's trying to find a way to leave.

Brad Minus: Wow. This is some really interesting, this, it's amazing. It's amazing what you're talking about. Cause it really gives a paradigm into this consciousness of energy, which, in Western medicine, they've been talking about the chief for years and years [01:12:00] and decades and civilizations and centuries.

And now, now we've come into different methods of that same type of energy transfer.

Sophia Torrini: It is exactly. And what did acupuncture was trying to do? Right? Release the electrical charge where EFT is a little more effective and both work, right? Is the personality, the ego, which is our program self.

It's not your true self. And I can tie it in for you in the Bible to explain that as well. Needs to speak up. Because if you repress your personality to not speak your story, it's like pushing down or blocking a child to speak. It's going to start screaming and it will do a temper tantrum. So EFT combines both.

You allow that voice, those traumas from early childhood, because [01:13:00] all of your traumas, you asked me about my upbringing, All of my patterns were created by the ages from one, they usually say to seven and the reason they say is because your brain waves change and I'll explain. So between the ages of one and seven, the baby sleeps for six months cause they're in Delta brain waves.

Then later on they go to alpha brain waves. You are very programmable in Delta and alpha. There is no cognitive filter for the child to say, it's not going to happen to me. So whatever they're seeing or whatever they experience becomes their reality. And where does that get stored? A copy gets stored in the brain.

Copy in the body. Candace Perth, I believe that was she won the Nobel Prize proving that the body is the subconscious mind. So every cell of your body has part of [01:14:00] that emotion stored and where the memory stored between two neurons. I'll explain to you how you can prune those two neurons. So now you already have a filter.

Based on your experience as a child and certain beliefs you acquired unwillingly. what's going to happen in the world. So if you grew up in a, where everybody drank, there's a good likelihood you're going to drink. There are the few, sometimes the soul is a little different and saw the pain of the alcoholic and they will do everything to not become an alcoholic, but they often go through the stage and they heal it.

So there's usually that option that happens often enough, or they will do the opposite because the pain was so big, but somehow they will heal it. They [01:15:00] had someone in their family or something in their environment that showed them the contrast because in this reality we learn by contrast. Let me tie it in with methadone maintenance or even alcoholism.

Why does the person take drugs or shoot heroin? They know it's bad for them. Afterwards, they feel crappy. It's not that they feel great. And, but the moment they're doing it, they get a high. And the reason they need the high is because the emotion they're feeling They have no coping skills because we were not taught how to feel their emotion.

So it's better for them for the 10 minutes to get the high for the heroin or half hour actually whatever it is versus feeling that emotion because in the beginning you can't get out the hamster wheel, the looping thoughts, those endless night that you can't go to bed. What [01:16:00] happens to you when you can't go to bed?

That your brain is in beta brainwaves. That's why you're looping and you can't fall asleep. You need to be in dunk though.

Brad Minus: That is, that's just something that's, yeah, that is a, that's a mind blowing experience right there. Just to be thinking that there's an emotional way around this. What. Let's start to let's start to get a conclusion here. What would you say to someone first starting that notices that they loop that notices that they're constantly thinking about the same thing, that they're not able to let go of it?

What would be the best bet for somebody just trying to get over something like that?

Sophia Torrini: Similar to something you've said, but I would add. If they can observe or feel the emotion without the story, so let the energy move and then consciously make an effort to stop the thoughts, the negative [01:17:00] thoughts, because the negative thoughts are looping and feeding the emotion and it becomes a cyclical loop.

So okay, I'm afraid I look around, I am safe, let me feel, and it's not going to be easy in the beginning. Let me feel. this fear and it's gonna go by. I'm angry. Okay. So whoever got me so angry is not in front of me right now. Let's say, okay, let me stop the story. What he did to me, how dare he do it and all this things, because that's creating neurotransmitters in your peptides that are going to feed the emotion.

And let me just, where is it in my body? Put my awareness on it. Just feel the anger. You want to hit a pillow, go ahead and hit a pillow on a chair. Don't go and hit a person. And I don't suggest call the person and start cursing them. I do not recommend any of the two. Just [01:18:00] feel it, just observe it.

And they will see over a short period of time, it's going to leave in the beginning, it's not going to leave as fast. And it's going to be a practice stopping the thoughts. That's why meditation is so helpful. Because the crazy thoughts keep on coming by and in meditation, you learn to let them go and eventually they stop for 20 minutes or half an hour and you change your brainwaves by not engaging in your thoughts.

So the key is the brainwaves. We want to shift our brainwaves and beta brainwaves. There's not a possibility you're going to heal, not a possibility. You're going to see a solution. No possibility for anything because that is designed to protect you out of danger.

Brad Minus: So we want to be in the moment.

We're awake. We want to be an alpha where

Sophia Torrini: if you can go into theta, that would be great. [01:19:00] Now, apparently in meditation, some people can be in Delta, which means they're not asleep. So their body is asleep, but they are awake. That is for more advanced, but for us, Alpha and theta and alpha is what they use for hypnosis.

That's what they use alpha brainwaves. That's how you get hypnotized.

Brad Minus: Wow. Okay. So this is all amazing. And like you said, there's advanced ways to get around this, but our first step would be We find some, I find an EFT practitioner like yourself and start getting an education and some clinical practice with it.

Where would be the best place for people to talk to you specifically?

Sophia Torrini: So they can come to my website, tap into your best self. com. I also have a blog with lots of articles and I want to emphasize something about EFT. So EFT is not like [01:20:00] therapy that we want. To keep the client forever. We actually, I personally actually teach the person the tools so they can do it on their own.

So my, when I work with clients. They may have two sessions a week, but they've been taught how to tap by themselves in between the sessions. And I usually recommend minimum 20 minutes a day that they learn how to self regulate because it's about regulating your body. I'm pretty sure you give them skills, similar skills like I do to practice because this is not about a dependency.

This is about an empowerment for them.

Brad Minus: Yes. And yeah When I teach clinics and stuff, it's the same thing, right? They have an eight week clinic. I teach them the skills I need to do to get that, whatever they're coming to me for so that they don't have to come to me anymore. Then then my coaching is a little bit different, but that's specific for people that are habitual racers.

That's just [01:21:00] on my practice. But for you, I love that idea. I love that. Hey, listen, you're going to come. We're going to do 20 sessions and you're done because I'm going to teach you how to do it for yourself.

Sophia Torrini: And I also teach. The course, which is the change your mind, create new results because knowledge is the precursor for experience.

So I want them to understand how their brain and body works.

Brad Minus: Excellent.

Sophia Torrini: So now they have more control why this is happening. And if you've noticed today, I tried as much to give supporting information because To say it works, they're just going to get the placebo and the placebo without knowledge is not good enough.

You need to know why it works. That actually research has indicated that when the person knows why it works and how it works, then you're going to get better results.

Brad Minus: You have just proved my point to any of my clients. So I always tell them the same thing. I'm like, I give them a workout and stuff and I'm like, and [01:22:00] I tell them why, like in the workout, it says objective, this is why you're doing this.

And this is how we're going to go about it. And then he asked me why am I doing this? I'm like, I can tell them. And I've got some clients that are like, Hey, just tell me what to do and I'll do it. And I'm like, and, but the, and they get upset with me when I sit there and tell them this is why we're doing it.

And this is blah, blah, blah. And they like, coach, I don't need to know. I'm like, Yeah, you do. I says, you might not think you don't want to know, but you want to know. And when you do know and you execute the workout the the recovery process whatever they're executing. I says, you're going to execute it better.

Cause, So I agree with that wholeheartedly. What I am going to do is I'm going to make sure that it tap into your bestself. com. I'm going to have that in the show notes for you. So go ahead and link there. And then your, those courses you mentioned are on the website.

Sophia Torrini: Yes. It's under my services, I have what it's called NCS.

And they can select if they want to do it by themselves, do they want a second person to do it with them, [01:23:00] and they can buy it's under services, and they can get whatever it is that they want. Yes. Yeah. My goal is here to empower everyone out there, because what is the collective? It's. a version of you pushed out, right?

It's, you're seeing the collective based on your own experience. So the more people heal, we're going to have a better future for ourselves to live. So it's a win for all.

Brad Minus: Yeah. And you know that people are holding on to these emotions a lot longer than they should. All you have to do is watch TikTok.

And you can tell there's millions of people out there that can benefit from some EFT and learning how to let go of those toxic emotions. So tap into your better self. com and tap into your better self. com slash services is where you're able to

Sophia Torrini: find tap into

Brad Minus: your best self, right?

Tap into your best self. And then again, link that's all going to be linked there. And are you do utilize social media at all?

Sophia Torrini: Yes. I have [01:24:00] a Instagram. It's called tap into your best self. And then I have Facebook, which is tap into your best self dot EFT. Okay.

Brad Minus: So I'm gonna make sure that those are linked as well.

So they can, anybody can get told, hold of you if you have any questions, check out our content and then if you still have questions, go ahead and, slide into slide into Sophia's DMS and ask her a question. So, but Sophia, this has been so enlightening, just the scientific slash emotional connection that you made for a lot of us, I think is absolutely the most important thing that we can think about, especially in the environment that we're living in today.

So, you. Keep doing what you're doing and bringing it to as many people possible because I think it's so important. It's just so important. So again, thank you, [01:25:00] Sophia. Thank you so much. I can't even tell you how riveting and how excited I am now. And I hope the rest of you are all too.

Sophia Torrini: I want to thank you for allowing me to be on the show.

I also want to add two things for your audience. Every problem has its solution. There's always another way out, not the one that we're always being fed. And the body in the right conditions is meant to heal. And every person No one's excluded has the same capability. I don't care what your background is.

I don't care what you ate. I don't care what your religious beliefs are. The body wants to heal under the right condition. The same way when you fell off your bike, you got the scab on your knee and didn't sit watching it. You [01:26:00] just knew the scab was going to close and the wound was going to close. So I just wanted to say that.

to your audience because I want to give them a story of hope versus a story of limitation that we keep on hearing 24 seven.

Brad Minus: And with that, I cannot say anything any better than that. So thank you so much again, Sophia, and thank you all. And we'll see you in the next one.