Navigating Life’s Obstacle Course with Resilience and Triumph with Kelly Majdan

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And we're back to another episode of Life-Changing Challengers.

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My name is Brad Min, I'll be your host, and I am so honored to have author and health and wellness coach, kelly Majdan, with us today.

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How are you doing, kelly?

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I am fantastic.

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How are you doing?

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Excellent.

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So Kelly is the author of Lessons from the Obstacle Course: Five Strategies to Conquer the Muddy Fields of Life, and it's all about what she learned as she started a journey with her and her family on the obstacle course.

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But before we get there, Kelly, as I ask everybody, will you tell us a little bit about your childhood, the complement of your family and the environment you kind of grew up in?

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Sure, yeah, I was kind of like thinking about this going okay.

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So grew up in Colorado and I always like to say that I grew up swinging from trees in Colorado.

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We lived out in the mountains foothills of Colorado, just outside of Boulder, and when I was eight years old I was in the 70s my parents were one of the first ones, or you know, in that group of folks that started, that went through the divorce process, right, so eight years old, not a lot of I would like.

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I kind of always like to say my parents weren't really meant to be parents, so just kind of like they just, you know, weren't a lot of watching over kids.

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And my sister was four years older than me, so I was eight years old and I was kind of left to raise myself in a way, because mom was always gone.

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Dad was just not interested.

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He's a great dad but just like didn't know what to do with kids.

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So pretty much start from a very early time in my upbringing was just actually just kind of making sure I looked out and took care of myself and did kind of my own thing all the time and it kind of led to an interesting I think it was fourth grade year where I didn't really show up to school.

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They passed me and it was just an independent type of upbringing.

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An independent type of upbringing Typical, I think, for a lot of kids in the 70s when, if you go through any generational theory, they called our generation, generation X, the nomads or latchkey kids.

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I was definitely one of those latchkey kids, so I always joked around.

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My dad ended up it was kind of like I said a lot of people were getting divorced at the time and he had another buddy of his who he just got a divorce and so they ended up going to building houses kind of around and I think they purposely scheduled the kid weekend together so that we would entertain ourselves which is fun.

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I grew up with a lot of really, you know they're like my brothers and they would pick on me like they were my brothers, so but it was.

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You know, that was really pretty much my formative years, was just really being on my own and making my own decisions and kind of just working very independently.

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Independently.

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We ended up going to college in a little town called Durango, colorado, which is just a great little place called Fort Lewis College down in the mountains, met my future husband there towards the end of my schooling and he was going off to the Marine Corps.

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He was about two years ahead of me.

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I stayed back, finished my school because I was like, well, I'm not going to follow any guy around, right, but we stayed in contact and continued to blossom our relationship.

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Bring break of my senior year of college, I flew out to San Diego, which is where he was stationed, because he went through the OCS and was now out at Camp Pendleton and he was at some school and he basically engaged, you know, asked me to marry him.

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So once I finished college I moved out to California, just kind of came home, packed up my stuff and they did our home of record move and we moved out to California.

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We've been together now this June we'll be 30 years married and so we've had a lot of very independent living, very much pulling on our own bootstraps, which is good and bad.

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I think you need to be able to pull on your own bootstraps and do your own thing, but I do think that I could have had a lot of if it had been a thing and I don't think it really was a thing in the early 90s with a lot of us.

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I think one thing is really wonderful benefit now is a lot of mentorship that a lot of people get, and it wasn't really something that I think we were really I don't know people didn't really talk about when we were going through our early careers and I know I could have benefited from that.

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But I also benefited from being able to just always rely on myself, which is pretty much how I grew up.

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Yeah, I grew up as a last key kid, only child, and yeah, it literally was, and I'd wake up in the morning.

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Maybe one of my two parents were home, and it was.

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You know.

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Get yourself up, get yourself dressed, make yourself breakfast, get yourself to the bus stop, get to school, come back home Nobody was there Make yourself a snack, do your homework, homework and wait for someone to come home.

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I know exactly how that felt and, yeah, there was no, it was only like mentorship.

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You know, you had your teachers and your family and that was pretty much it.

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What was your field of study in college?

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So, ironically enough kind of funny my father was a general contractor, so a lot of the houses we lived in he built, and so I grew up in that kind of environment, thinking, oh, I want to be an architect because my dad would always talk about these ladies that he really enjoyed working with, because they were great, phenomenal architects.

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So I went to school thinking, okay, I'm going to go be an architect because I thought that would be fun.

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I always loved the fact that we always kind of were in the process of building a home.

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And I sat through my first art classes and went this sucks, that's just not for me.

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So I of course did what every college student does who says, ok, I really chose poorly.

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I went to speak to my counselor and she's like well, you can go into business.

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I'm like, ok, I'll take a few business classes.

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Well, I got into my accounting class and absolutely loved it.

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I mean, one of the unique things about Fort Lewis, where I went to school, was at the time and maybe it's still that way, I don't know, but at the time because it was just this little mountain college and it was like in the middle of nowhere and it was just a really neat place to be.

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We had a lot of all of our teachers in the accounting department were all from the big five accounting firms and they had just, you know, they had run the course of working their corporate careers and this was kind of like their second life.

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That they went and said I just want to go out in the mountains and go teach, said I just want to go out in the mountains and go teach, and so we really had some phenomenal, phenomenal teachers there.

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And I remember my teacher who did cost accounting and the way he just explained cost accounting I was like, oh my God, I get this.

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And I set the curve in the classes and went, all right, I'll be an accounting major.

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Then a few years later I got into tax accounting and all the other and I went what did?

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I do.

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But I finished with my accounting degree but I never went forward to go after CPA or anything like that because auditing absolutely was like that was not my thing.

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So I ended up falling into financial services and working in the wholesaling and selling space and fell into working with corporate 401k plans.

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Wow.

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So this is going to seem like surreal, you ready.

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So I grew up.

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My dad was in real estate, started as an agent Well, no, actually I should take that back when I was really young, up to the like to my age of seven, I think.

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My dad was an accountant for international harvester.

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Then he went into real estate instead and started being an agent and then went into appraisal a real estate appraisal and then started his own appraisal firm and then retired from that not too long ago.

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So yeah, so I'm right there with you and I lived through all of the real estate.

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Matter of fact, I got my spending money for college and books and rent by doing appraisals.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah, because he taught me how to do them and it's something that you can do on your own time.

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You make the appointment, you go look at the house, then you do the forms and you send them in, and that's it, and it's pretty lucrative.

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So at the time it was pretty lucrative.

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So I'm right there with you.

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I got it all.

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Yeah, as far as recovering accounting majors, I can't say I was ever an accountant just because I never followed through with that path.

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And there's another story in there, but I'll just tell you that for about three or four years I was a series seven, series 63, series 24.

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That's for a whole different.

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Well, we got to move on, but that's for a whole different conversation.

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So you got married and you're in San Diego, right?

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We?

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were in San Diego.

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Okay, so how did you enjoy San Diego?

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How long were you there?

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Loved it.

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It was absolutely beautiful and it was like in the mid-90s.

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And so we were.

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My husband was stationed there for three years.

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He actually had a little bit of a longer station than most Marines do, just because he changed from different units while at Camp Pendleton.

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And we actually put in for Okinawa because it was just the two of us and a cat.

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And you know, like let's go right.

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This would be really cool, but unfortunately they didn't need his MOS and Okinawa, but they did in Pensacola Florida.

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So we ended up next three years in Pensacola Florida, which was a great duty station as well too.

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It was a beautiful area and I remember going out and looking and going to visit Floribama, and that was that far and it was literally in the middle of nowhere and, like I know, you go there now and there's high rises all over it, but literally at that time it was like literally just middle of nowhere out on Orange Beach.

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So anyway, so we were there for three years and we decided we were, I like to say, we're young and dumb.

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We decided that it was time, for we didn't want to continue moving around a lot and we were thinking about having a family and all that kind of good stuff, and so we said, well, let's go ahead and give up his commission because he was an officer and head home to Colorado.

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So we did that in 1999 and ended up going back home to Colorado and then it took us another three years to get pregnant because we had fertility issues.

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It was really more on my side that I had the issue, and so which was kind of it was some entertaining stories with figuring all of that out as well too.

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I've got stories too, yeah.

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In 2003,.

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The Lord blessed us with our son and then two years later, we had our daughter.

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So it was really worked out pretty well.

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I kind of felt I always kept praying.

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I'm like I just want to have replaced me and my husband.

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Two is good.

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I didn't need to fill a van or anything like that.

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I figured man on man offense defense.

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That's just the perfect way to go.

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It worked out really well.

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We got the son first and then the girl.

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How perfect could this be right?

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And they are probably the most planned children you could probably have.

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Because we had to follow a certain fertility schedule and a certain shot schedule.

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So we had to tell my body you need to keep this egg.

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So there were certain things that we had to do in order to be able to make that happen.

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But yeah, and now my youngest is graduating from high school this week.

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I thought like where did time go?

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Exactly you get older and time just seems to go faster.

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Oh, it does.

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It does and especially, you know, I thought you know it took us we were married nine years before we had children, so we were in our thirties by the time we had kids, which is that then that was kind of a little unusual.

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A lot of people were having kids earlier, but that now for so many folks that's normal.

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So you, a lot of people are having kids in their 30s and and I think that's where now our story will really resonate a little bit more, because we are that older parent- so what were you doing at this point?

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So, as far as not being, I mean, I know you're trying to get pregnant.

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That makes one thing, you're trying to get home, but what were you doing for a living at this point?

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So at that time I was working for a mutual fund company when my son was born, as an internal wholesaler manager.

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So I was managing a sales desk and I was one of the supervisors on the sales desk, actually.

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And then when my daughter came along, I was working at a 401k internal sales desk and I was managing that desk and building out those internal wholesaling platforms.

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Nice.

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And what was your husband doing?

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Oh, he was doing construction.

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No, he was actually no.

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He got out of the pre-tour so and he followed.

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He ended up getting his program management professional.

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So he was a supply officer, which he's always kind of like, oh, that's not the sexy thing in the core right.

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But like you know what you believe me, people want to make sure that they love and they take care of their supply officer, because where do you get your stuff from?

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And so it was natural for him to go into a program management professional.

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So he was.

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I always like to say he's the guy that gets people, gets the folks, the business in business users who are using the programs to communicate to the IT folks that are building the programs, because there's not a good communication line here.

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They don't speak the same language.

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Yes, I don't know.

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The thing is is that when my professional life I'm also a designated PMP and PGMP as well, so you know very well what.

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I'm saying, yeah, I know that and it's just being surreal now, the things that are very comparable to both of our lives.

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It's like uncanny what is going on here, but yeah, that's kind of what pays the bills around here, at least a little bit.

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But OK, so fast forward a little bit.

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And there was a big obstacle that happened in your life.

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Yes.

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So we're really kind of worried.

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I think we're all just kind of going along with this.

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And where this?

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If I were to go back and say where this obstacle stemmed from, it would stem from my husband being a Marine when everything was happening, if we remember early 2000, right 9-11.

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And then we go.

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I mean, we literally got a call in 2002 or 2001,.

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Actually, when it happened, the Marine Corps was keeping tabs on where all of their people were, and so you know.

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So we're really heightened in that respect.

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But as everything was going on over there, in 2005, our daughter was born and at that point, two weeks after our daughter was born, my husband went to Iraq to help with what is called a Z-backscatter x-ray man program which was able to scan vehicles going into Marine Corps checkpoints.

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And he was actually, you know, they sought him out for this job because of the fact that he was a Marine, he was a supply officer, he's a PMP, so he spoke Marine because the Marines kept breaking everything which go figure right, and they really needed to get these vans up and running in country.

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So the first year of our daughter's life he was actually a contractor out in Iraq and went through all sorts of things and there's all sorts of stories with that respect.

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The reason why I tell that is because I think there were some things that happened at that point in time because when he came back his health started changing and there was a lot that was going on with his health.

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That we really going back and putting the pieces together is where I've connected the dots, but didn't really understand it when things started kind of falling apart early around 2012, 13 ish, and my husband ended up turning to me one day because we were living at the time then in Arkansas is a big company picked up my husband and he was working for that company and living in Northwest Arkansas and his parents had followed us out, lived in Bella Vista.

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There's very windy roads there and as we were leaving or getting ready to leave his parents' house, he's like honey, I think you need to drive and we hadn't been drinking.

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So I'm kind of like, okay, well, what's going on here?

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This is kind of strange because normally you know he doesn't ask that question.

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Well, when we get home, I asked him I'm like what's going on here?

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Because I did notice a lot of things were going on.

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I did notice my husband was quite grumpy.

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He was complaining of headaches a lot more.

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He was getting dizzy.

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Now, as a family, we really all enjoy especially my daughter and I love amusement, park rides going on, and of course it kind of runs your head around and I was kind of thinking all of this was going on and we were also both trying to build our careers at the companies that we were at and we had young kids, so I just thought maybe he's just getting tired and that's just life going on.

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Well, when we got home I asked him what's going on?

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Because you're off, there's just things going on, not straight, and he goes I'm seeing double.

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I'm like, well, what do you mean?

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You're seeing double?

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Because I see two of you stacked on top of each other.

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It's kind of can't.

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I'm like, okay, well, babe, how long has this been happening?

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He said pretty much since we moved five years earlier.

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I'm like you're just now telling me this.

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Five years, five years, five years he'd been dealing with this.

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I remember I have a Marine and Marines are stubborn, and he's also a New Yorker, he's a Pole.

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I mean I'm like he's got everything.

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He is the most stubborn man out there and I'm like, babe, this is not right, like you need to go get this.

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So I annoyed him for him to finally go see an eye doctor.

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And when he goes to see an eye doctor, this one eye doctor says, oh well, you just need prison glasses.

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And I'm going, okay.

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And he's like fine, put the prism glasses on me.

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I'm good, just call it good.

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So you know, I do what every wife does and every good caretaker who loves somebody does.

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I'm like okay, well, why do you need the prism glasses?

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What's going on?

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Did he tell you that?

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He's like no, we just need prism glasses.

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I'm like okay, that's not enough.

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Like that's not the answer, that's not enough, that's not the answer.

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Anyway, we would banter back and forth like this for a while until my son, chasing after our daughter with a bow and section, cut bow and arrow.

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He ends up running into it and cuts, thankfully, just the white in his eye, because it hit my daughter's door and she slammed the door and he kept going.

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Yes, we're not bad parents, it's just kids.

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They just do things.

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But I also do think God works in mysterious ways.

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And the eye doctor that my son saw I said I asked my husband and again bothered him enough, Please don't see him Get a second opinion, because prison classes aren't going to work.

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So this eye doctor does go a little bit further.

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My husband not only a Marine, jumped out a perfectly good airplane, did all that kind of good stuff, but he was also he's a career lacrosse player well, not career, but like, played lacrosse all through junior, high and high school and even into his college years and stuff.

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So he's thinking, well, maybe there's a concussion or something going on there.

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So he sends them off to a neurologist.

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The neurologist sends them off to get an MRI.

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And literally on January 24th my husband, we went in to see the doctor and found out he had a pineal gland cystic mass sitting in the middle of his brain and basically it was sitting between the four lobes and it was cutting off his circulation.

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And I joke with my husband now that I'm like you are alive because of me hounding you, because it literally would have caused a brain aneurysm, Like he was probably a year or two away from just dropping dead.

00:19:20.797 --> 00:19:29.501
So that sent us into a really great neurologist at UAMS in Little Rock.

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I can't say enough about Dr Day.

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He was phenomenal.

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And after five minutes of sitting down with us, Dr Day turns to his assistant and says schedule him for brain surgery immediately.

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I'm going, wait a minute.

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What Brain surgery?

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What?

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So I'm like, okay, I know my husband's not going to ask, so I ask so again caretakers out there, you ask the questions.

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If they're not going to ask, you ask the questions because you have to.

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I'm like, stop, Tell me why.

00:19:54.252 --> 00:20:00.912
And he pulled up a perfectly good x-ray of a brain and my husband's and he said see that blob right there.

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And I'm like, yes, he goes, that should not be there, that needs to come out because that's going to kill your husband, basically.

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So I'm like, okay, let's get it done.

00:20:10.512 --> 00:20:19.506
I just went into okay, let's you know operation mode.

00:20:19.506 --> 00:20:19.886
Let's get it done.

00:20:19.886 --> 00:20:22.272
Let's take care of the kids, because the kids were little, so I had to make sure they were taken care of.

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We had just gotten two puppies that were going to be ginormous dogs.

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So I got my aunt and uncle, who absolutely love animals, and got them scheduled to come up to take care of the dogs, because we were going to be down at the hospital for about a week or so and just basically made sure everybody knew what was going on, made sure the kids' school knew what was going on, was taking care of FMLA paperwork.

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You know just everything that you just have to do to ensure that he is going to have a good recovery and didn't have to worry about.

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I even bought like a new mattress because I knew he was going to be in bed for four months.

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So it's not just operation, you have to have this handled.

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So you get it.

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You just do it.

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You get it done.

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He had a surgery in March of 2014, and the doctor came out and found out that they also were worried it could be cancerous.

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Thankfully, we dodged that bullet.

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It was just this big protein blob sitting in the middle of his brain Weirdest thing ever and I don't know really where it came from.

00:21:16.438 --> 00:21:18.412
And that's the thing that they don't understand.

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That leads us to a couple of years ago.

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We found out that that wasn't the only cause of his double vision, because we continued having issues with his double vision and it never really corrected itself as it should have corrected itself by getting that thing out and then we went to a doctor when we moved here we found another really great doctor who operated on what they call a fourth nerve palsy.

00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:56.988
Anyway, because of the surgeries weren't fixing it completely, he sent him off to get blood work and we now know that my husband's been battling Lambert-Eaton-Myasthenic syndrome, which is called LEMS, and it's a neuromuscular autoimmune issue, which is called LEMS, and it's a neuromuscular autoimmune issue.

00:21:56.988 --> 00:22:14.118
So that was also part of what was going on and I have a feeling, if I connect the dots, knowing what I know now that I've done a big deep dive into health is, I think something when he went off to Iraq might have triggered this.

00:22:14.118 --> 00:22:20.233
I have no proof, but if I were to kind of go back and see, it does seem like there's, because everything was fine before then.

00:22:21.125 --> 00:22:21.224
Right.

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Yeah, I can always see that when there's a certain point in your life right where things start to change, you're always going to go back and check that out.

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Now did the?

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I didn't.

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I know nothing about LEMS.

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Did the doctor say anything about it being?

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It could be genetic, it could be just something that was passed down, or is it something that can actually be acquired?

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It's typically acquired by small cell cancer 60% of the time.

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But my husband's never smoked and I mean he's about as clean as you can get except for alcohol.

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But anyway, when he was sent off to have chest x-rays done and all that kind of stuff to try to figure out why he has limbs, I knew that there was no small cell cancer that was going to be found, because there's no reason for it.

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There's nothing in his history that would have brought that up.

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So of course nothing was found there and there's really all of the typical things that would bring up limbs he doesn't.

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He didn't have before.

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Like, we have no idea.

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It's just something that has just happened and it's a very, very rare neuromuscular autoimmune issue.

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You might have heard of myosinic gravis, which is MG.

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These two are on opposite camps.

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This is also kind of where the whole obstacle course stuff comes in and why we continue doing this.

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We didn't realize it at the time, but now we have an even more reason why we continue with obstacle courses.

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So if you think of you work out, a lot of your viewers work out, so think of you're going out a lot of your viewers work out, so think of you're going to do three sets of bicep curls and you're going to pick a pretty challenging weight because you know you want to really build that bicep up.

00:24:03.231 --> 00:24:06.506
So your first set to 10, you're like, okay, that's not a big deal.

00:24:06.506 --> 00:24:10.028
I got this Second set, 10, you're like, okay, this is getting a little bit harder.

00:24:10.028 --> 00:24:14.930
And then your third set, if you picked a good weight, you're going to be like I can barely get out that.

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You know last two reps are like killing you right.

00:24:17.290 --> 00:24:20.532
Well, for my husband, reverse that.

00:24:21.472 --> 00:24:24.214
So what limbs does the first set?

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He does.

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It's like he can barely complete the first 10.

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The second 10 is getting easier.

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And then the third 10, he's like I can do this all day.

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And it's with a challenging weight Because what it does is interrupts the acetylcholine through your calcium channels to get your muscles to fire.

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So we all need that channel that goes into your muscles and that is what tells your muscles to, tells your brain, tells your muscle to constrict.

00:24:51.011 --> 00:24:54.939
So that's how limbs affects people.

00:24:54.939 --> 00:25:00.335
Now, myocytic gravis is the opposite the more you use your muscle, the more tired it gets.

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Now my husband needs to use his muscle or he'll end up not being able to have his muscles.

00:25:06.798 --> 00:25:14.611
So that's really important for us for him to continue to be active, and that's going to be frustrating.

00:25:14.872 --> 00:25:16.819
be active, that's going to be frustrating.

00:25:16.819 --> 00:25:17.576
The acetylcholine is basically.

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It just takes his muscles a lot longer to fire than the rest of us.

00:25:22.811 --> 00:25:31.032
Rest of us, we can probably do a dynamic warm-up and our muscles will fire right at that point where it's going to take him.

00:25:31.032 --> 00:25:33.891
It sounds like it's going to take him a.

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It's a specific.

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Whatever muscle he's going to be using, he's got to warm up and do several longer sets of things in order for him to be primed for it to fire.

00:25:46.469 --> 00:25:48.154
Pretty much Once he gets going.

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He gets going, which is good, and there is a medication right now that he is able to take.

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That is helping as well too, and so he knows that it starts to wear off, he needs to take it, but it's just a really, really expensive medication.

00:26:01.096 --> 00:26:03.851
So thankfully, we've discovered the problem.

00:26:03.851 --> 00:26:06.758
The only thing is there's not a cure for it Right.

00:26:06.758 --> 00:26:08.692
So now you manage it.

00:26:09.785 --> 00:26:10.026
Right.

00:26:10.026 --> 00:26:14.938
How did you move that into this obstacle course racing that you're so famous for?

00:26:15.904 --> 00:26:17.170
I don't think I would say famous for.

00:26:17.550 --> 00:26:21.910
It's the book, it's Essence from the Obstacle Course, so it's an obstacle course.

00:26:21.910 --> 00:26:22.893
So when did that all start?

00:26:23.233 --> 00:26:28.457
Oh yeah, that all started the year my husband had his brain surgery in 2014.

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During the time that he was recovering, we had a few issues that sent him back to the hospital, like his brain swelled and he had blood clots and a few other things that we were managing and my back went out on me, like with what happens with a lot of caregivers like I had poured everything into taking care of my husband and the family and making sure our whole ship stayed afloat that I was not taking care of myself, and when I was in my third trimester with my daughter, my back had gone out on me as well, and so it went out on me again and I'm like I couldn't even I had to sit on the floor to bring my legs up to tie my shoes, because if I tried to bend over, I wouldn't be able to get myself back up.

00:27:08.587 --> 00:27:13.756
So I was in the process of healing myself along with my husband.

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I had some really great friends from work who were like, okay, kelly, you need to come do this thing called the Warrior Dash with us, and they were all excited and like really bubbly about it and I'm like, yeah, let's go.

00:27:22.705 --> 00:27:23.205
Do you know?

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Like, okay, I'll jump in.

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And then I took a stop.

00:27:25.446 --> 00:27:27.469
I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:27:27.469 --> 00:27:28.670
What's a Warrior Dash?

00:27:28.670 --> 00:27:30.030
Like what did I just?

00:27:30.030 --> 00:27:35.575
So it was five miles and some obstacles.

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You go through a little bit of mud and all that kind of stuff.

00:27:37.955 --> 00:27:40.597
And that was when obstacle horses were kind of starting to get their thing.

00:27:40.597 --> 00:27:45.821
Tough Mudder was starting to get there and Spartan was coming along and I'm like, oh, this feels like fun.

00:27:45.821 --> 00:27:46.583
Yeah, let's go do this.

00:27:46.583 --> 00:27:56.606
Okay, they did not tell me how muddy it was.

00:27:56.606 --> 00:28:00.438
I don't know if you've ever done a warrior dash, but the last thing to get your medal is you have to swim through a mud pit.

00:28:00.438 --> 00:28:01.361
I'm like, seriously, swim through a mud pit.

00:28:01.361 --> 00:28:02.704
I'm going, okay, what I had the best time, I ate it up.

00:28:02.704 --> 00:28:03.788
I loved it.

00:28:03.788 --> 00:28:04.891
I've been a runner.

00:28:04.891 --> 00:28:05.973
I've done a lot of races.

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I did one marathon.

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I'm like, okay, check the box, I'm good, not going to do that again.

00:28:09.393 --> 00:28:24.534
Training sucked, but I did it and I'm like, this is fun and my husband and the kids had gone along with us out to this you know dusty field in Tulsa, oklahoma, and standing on the sidelines they were excited about it.

00:28:24.534 --> 00:28:26.525
They're like, oh my God, we want to do one of these.

00:28:26.525 --> 00:28:44.875
This is great and that's the biggest thing, because it lit that spark in my husband because he was starting to kind of, because we had some of those setbacks, you're not going to be able to do the things you used to be able to do, all that BS that people say and the excuses that people make.

00:28:44.875 --> 00:28:47.526
He really wanted to get back in Pelé Lacrosse again.

00:28:47.526 --> 00:28:53.050
He wanted to go and do the things that he wanted to do and he was starting to get this feeling that I'm not going to be able to do this.

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And so, seeing the course and we were talked about it on the way home he's like I really want to do one of those things.

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I'm like, okay, let's find one.

00:29:02.073 --> 00:29:11.299
So we ended up finding Conquer the Gauntlet and it was I picked a race in September 2015.

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He had his surgery in 14 because I really want to make sure he had enough time to recover and it had to be far enough out but close enough to home because we couldn't go too far away from the kids, because we only get a couple of night passes because his parents would watch the kids.

00:29:27.421 --> 00:29:36.377
But we ended up doing Conquer the Gauntlet in September of 2015 out in Little Rock, arkansas, and we just had a blast.

00:29:36.377 --> 00:29:39.710
It was so much fun and so that really just started our journey.

00:29:39.789 --> 00:29:44.470
And then our kids as they got older, they were like we want to do this, and so we did them.

00:29:44.470 --> 00:29:47.549
We took them on a couple of warrior dashes and they absolutely loved it.

00:29:47.549 --> 00:29:52.847
And I've got some wonderful stories of the kids, you know, first going through the mud pit, going, oh this sucks.

00:29:52.847 --> 00:29:59.726
And then the next year we encourage them to bring some friends along, and then they become the cheerleader for their friends going, oh, you can do this.

00:29:59.726 --> 00:30:00.728
This is going to be so much fun.

00:30:00.768 --> 00:30:13.931
Seeing that transformation in them was just really cool and seeing how they've grown and my daughter is not afraid of anything and she's also a fantastic lacrosse player and so she's like closes everybody down on the defense line.

00:30:13.931 --> 00:30:30.034
So you know, just it's just seeing them not be afraid to get in there and get dirty, because they've done a lot of these obstacle courses with us and we try to do at least I don't know, we try about three to five a year if we can, because it's always been challenging with the kids' sports schedules.

00:30:30.034 --> 00:30:40.209
So in fact, we've got a trifecta to do this year and we'll be doing Conquer the Gauntlet one more time because they're going to be closing the race Like anybody going out there.

00:30:40.209 --> 00:30:41.814
Go do Conquer the Gauntlet one last time.

00:30:41.814 --> 00:30:42.556
It was just a thing.

00:30:42.556 --> 00:30:42.957
I can't.

00:30:42.957 --> 00:30:50.578
My hats are off to Mayor Price and their whole family because they've done just a phenomenal, phenomenal thing with Conquer the Gauntlet.

00:30:51.565 --> 00:30:52.746
Yeah, it's unfortunate.

00:30:52.746 --> 00:30:53.205
Yeah, it's unfortunate.

00:30:53.205 --> 00:31:02.791
You know, as much as I love to have these races available for people, it seems like the days of the grassroots event planners that want to do this is kind of gone.

00:31:03.313 --> 00:31:03.692
Yeah.

00:31:03.932 --> 00:31:04.532
You got to have.

00:31:04.532 --> 00:31:07.915
Well, it's more, because it's just your finances.

00:31:08.056 --> 00:31:09.977
Oh it is, it's got to be expensive.

00:31:10.416 --> 00:31:12.699
Well, I mean to rent whatever area you're going to rent.

00:31:12.699 --> 00:31:13.419
That's first.

00:31:13.419 --> 00:31:19.022
So I helped to start a series out here called Best Damn Race.

00:31:19.022 --> 00:31:21.594
So we've got Best Damn Race out here.

00:31:21.594 --> 00:31:22.544
I just kind of was helped.

00:31:22.544 --> 00:31:30.656
Best Damn Race, tampa, which is Safety Harbor, new Orleans, savannah, orlando and Jacksonville.

00:31:30.656 --> 00:31:35.548
So there's this series and it's always a 5K, 10k and a half marathon.

00:31:35.548 --> 00:31:39.453
But I understand what it costs.

00:31:39.453 --> 00:31:45.441
Like the biggest thing is police, right Security for over there.

00:31:45.441 --> 00:31:54.513
It's one thing is to rent the area, but out here I mean, the biggest expense is the police department, because you're not paying the marshals, which is what they're doing is they're marshalling the course.

00:31:54.513 --> 00:31:58.554
You're not paying their regular fee, you're paying their overtime.

00:31:59.095 --> 00:31:59.717
Yeah, it's true.

00:32:00.464 --> 00:32:16.633
But because of that being just so expensive and inflation and the whole bit, they're just taking these grassroots and they're lucky if they can sell the race to Spartan or a big conglomerate like that, otherwise the grassroots one just go bye-bye.

00:32:16.633 --> 00:32:18.857
You know it's unfortunate.

00:32:20.125 --> 00:32:25.570
It is unfortunate because of the cost of Spartan, and not a dick who gives him, but because he put on a great event.

00:32:25.912 --> 00:32:26.073
Yes.

00:32:26.265 --> 00:32:33.714
But I think a lot of these like I was sad when the Warrior Dash went away because that was such a great entry-level race.

00:32:33.714 --> 00:32:38.601
And then this year Rugged Maniac went away, and I was such a great entry level race and then this year rugged maniac went away and I would be I hadn't gotten a chance to do one of those.

00:32:38.601 --> 00:32:40.325
I was really looking forward because they were going to have one here in dallas.

00:32:40.325 --> 00:32:44.008
I'm like, oh, let's go do this because it's close to home, it's in our backyard yeah okay.

00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:46.252
So it's sad because you do.

00:32:46.252 --> 00:32:53.914
You see a lot of those just kind of full shop and and I don't know I'd be curious and so I'll put this out to the world.

00:32:53.914 --> 00:33:02.078
I'm like, is it the group that were really doing a lot of these races just now, moving off and having kids and not participating anymore?

00:33:02.078 --> 00:33:04.095
Like, are they seeing a lot of participation drop off?

00:33:04.095 --> 00:33:12.598
I don't know what the case is from that perspective, but I would love to see a lot more people get out there because there's so much.

00:33:12.598 --> 00:33:14.488
That's what I wrote the book about.

00:33:14.508 --> 00:33:16.311
It wasn't about how to complete the obstacles.

00:33:16.311 --> 00:33:43.998
It's really about the mindset of what you mentally go through and physically go through and how you relate that to what you mentally go through and physically go through in real life, because a lot of the challenges are very similar from a perspective, because a lot of the challenges are very similar from a perspective and there's so much growth that you can get from doing these courses and doing things that challenge you, because we don't do enough that challenges us anymore.

00:33:43.998 --> 00:33:46.232
We have got very sedentary lives.

00:33:46.232 --> 00:33:51.497
We don't go out and really push ourselves to do hard things.

00:33:51.497 --> 00:33:59.108
I think we really, truly miss out on that rewarding part of pushing your limits to know what you can do.

00:33:59.891 --> 00:34:01.976
I am not a podium person.

00:34:01.976 --> 00:34:06.596
I always joke around like I'm going to be a podium person just because I'm going to outlast everybody in my age group.

00:34:06.596 --> 00:34:08.728
Then I'll finally get up there.

00:34:08.728 --> 00:34:13.818
I don't go through these very fast, but I go through them.

00:34:13.818 --> 00:34:18.885
Every time I take on a course I finally get through another obstacle.

00:34:18.885 --> 00:34:19.847
That's been challenging me.

00:34:19.847 --> 00:34:30.186
So it's that resilience to not give up and to keep trying and kind of facing your fears and all sorts of other things that we see in life that you find on the course.

00:34:31.128 --> 00:34:32.630
Oh, and I agree wholeheartedly.

00:34:32.630 --> 00:35:08.784
I believe that the generations coming in behind us no-transcript.

00:35:08.784 --> 00:35:15.306
Part of that is training theory, but those are exceptions, you know, and it just doesn't seem like we're doing anything hard.

00:35:15.306 --> 00:35:20.719
I coach a cross country team out of a private school.

00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:24.327
That's got 800 kids and I have a problem fulfilling a team.

00:35:24.907 --> 00:35:33.715
When I was a kid, everybody wanted to be on a team and a lot of them would gravitate towards cross country, especially if they played baseball.

00:35:33.715 --> 00:35:38.235
If they played soccer, they would race cross country because it would get them in shape for their sport.

00:35:38.235 --> 00:35:40.012
And that's not happening anymore.

00:35:40.012 --> 00:35:48.608
You know, people are just going there and they're doing their thing and they're relying on their talent, and which is fine, but it's not giving people that evolution of the human spirit.

00:35:48.608 --> 00:35:50.510
That's why I do what I do.

00:35:50.510 --> 00:35:53.735
You know, I am constantly trying to push, push the boundaries.

00:35:53.735 --> 00:36:05.503
I'm not I might be slightly older than you, but other than that, I'm still trying to push, trying to keep going, and that's what my whole roster of people that I coach are of that mindset.

00:36:05.503 --> 00:36:11.331
It just doesn't seem to be coming in behind us as far as the generations go.

00:36:11.913 --> 00:36:14.733
Yeah, I don't know where the change was.

00:36:14.733 --> 00:36:15.367
Was it really?

00:36:15.367 --> 00:36:16.251
Was it COVID?

00:36:16.251 --> 00:36:23.235
Was it the fact that we've, you know, and we've not had to push?

00:36:23.235 --> 00:36:26.057
We've not had a lot of adversity, which, thankfully.

00:36:26.057 --> 00:36:37.702
I'm not asking for adversity, I don't want it in that respect like a big adversity but I don't know whether we're not pushing people like we used to.

00:36:37.702 --> 00:36:45.827
We're patting people on the head and saying it's okay and we're not encouraging people to really face the things that, oh, you know what.

00:36:45.827 --> 00:36:52.851
Actually, I didn't do this right and I need to go back and work harder to overcome this or to be better.

00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:55.052
I'm sure there's probably a big rabbit hole.

00:36:55.052 --> 00:37:02.701
We could go down on that one philosophy standpoint, yeah, but I think it's going to hurt us as a society.

00:37:02.701 --> 00:37:07.295
It's going to hurt us as our children are being raised Like I am.

00:37:07.295 --> 00:37:16.166
Really, I feel very fortunate that we have taken the kids on this journey with us and they're not afraid to get out there and push it.

00:37:16.166 --> 00:37:22.123
They're not afraid to get hurt, they're not afraid to fail, and I think that's the biggest part of it.

00:37:22.123 --> 00:37:31.403
I think we can all just be responsible for our own little world that we live in, and I know at least I've done that with our kids and I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to be able to do that.

00:37:31.403 --> 00:37:35.766
I hope that more people will, because we have to.

00:37:37.295 --> 00:37:39.498
It hurts to fall, like I had.

00:37:39.498 --> 00:37:40.523
This is a good example.

00:37:40.523 --> 00:37:44.081
So I had a neighbor who her kids.

00:37:44.081 --> 00:37:59.085
Every time they went out they were padded up like oh my gosh, like helmet, elbow pads, shoulder pads, wrist guards, knee pads, like everything on their bike and they would go out on their bike and just kind of, and they were nervous.

00:37:59.916 --> 00:38:17.385
My kids maybe it's just because I come from that generation, I'm like you just go do it and you know, tell me bad parent or whatever, I don't care but my kids knew that it hurt when you fall, so it made them stronger and better at what they did.

00:38:17.385 --> 00:38:19.181
It made them stronger and better bike riders.

00:38:19.181 --> 00:38:21.021
It made them stronger and better in their sports.

00:38:21.021 --> 00:38:24.159
It made them stronger and better in everything that they.

00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:35.717
My neighbor unfortunately her daughter went out one day without the stuff on her safety gear on and when she fell she actually broke her arm because she didn't know how to fall.

00:38:35.717 --> 00:38:50.302
One of these races we were on and we had just gotten over this thing and I was so excited like, oh my gosh, I got over this and we started running and my foot caught a limb because, of course, these are cross you know, stuff like that.

00:38:50.322 --> 00:38:53.820
They're trail races and my foot caught a limb and I went down.

00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:57.599
But I went down, I knew how to fall.

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.065
I went down on my side, rolled over and jumped back up.

00:39:01.065 --> 00:39:03.643
My husband just looked at me like what?

00:39:03.643 --> 00:39:07.646
And the volunteer person was over there like, are you okay?

00:39:07.646 --> 00:39:08.880
I'm like, yeah, just fine, just fine.

00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:14.367
Later on, when I pulled everything off, I had a massive bruise all over my side and everything.

00:39:14.367 --> 00:39:16.217
But that's.

00:39:16.297 --> 00:39:19.726
The whole point is that you have to learn how to fall.

00:39:20.554 --> 00:39:32.110
And if you don't learn how to fall to catch yourself in a way that you don't hurt yourself physically in life as well as mentally in life then you're going to be hurt more.

00:39:32.335 --> 00:39:44.625
Now it takes that first hurt, but you have to learn from that and then move forward with it and be like, okay, I'm going to learn how to do this better, I'm going to learn how to roll with the punches and get myself back up.

00:39:44.625 --> 00:39:50.916
That's that resilience part of people that we really have to learn in order to be able to continue pushing forward.

00:39:50.916 --> 00:39:59.460
Because if you don't, and you stay stuck in this and afraid to fall and hurt yourself, you won't build.

00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:03.396
There's literally you build new neurons every time you push yourself through a wall.

00:40:03.396 --> 00:40:10.646
It's like scientifically proven now that they've said every time you push yourself through a wall, it's like scientifically proven now that they've said every time you do something hard, you're actually building and growing new neurons.

00:40:10.646 --> 00:40:15.547
So it's still happening and you have to continue to push yourself and continue those challenges.

00:40:15.547 --> 00:40:23.186
And that's part of the reason why I think these things are so great and the obstacle courses are so fun because you're putting yourself in a position where you have to push yourself.

00:40:24.208 --> 00:40:24.907
Right, right.

00:40:24.907 --> 00:40:26.429
Yeah, I totally agree with that.

00:40:26.429 --> 00:40:29.590
And again, I think that's one of the things that I can't remember.

00:40:29.590 --> 00:40:34.422
The name is the guy that started Spartan Race, but that was one of the things that he was always thinking about when he first started.

00:40:34.422 --> 00:40:38.036
Warrior Dash was the OG of off-sail courses.

00:40:38.036 --> 00:40:41.744
I think they were the very first one and Spartan came on top of that.

00:40:41.744 --> 00:40:46.217
But yeah, it's so true.

00:40:46.217 --> 00:40:47.423
Learning how to fall, I remember learning how to ride a bike.

00:40:47.423 --> 00:40:48.891
You and I didn't grow up in the age where you put a helmet on.

00:40:48.891 --> 00:41:05.525
Oh, that was when our parents running behind us with holding onto the back and you're like this, and then it lets you go and fall and you can back up, and then you call but it was the first fall and you might have fall, you might have skinned something, and then my dad was probably like your husband.

00:41:05.525 --> 00:41:09.322
He's like ah, it's fine, get back up on there, you know we could do this.

00:41:09.623 --> 00:41:12.583
Yeah, walk it off and get back on there.

00:41:12.583 --> 00:41:21.800
And you know, and after a couple of days of doing this, all of a sudden you would go through and you you'd get a few cycles and before you're like, oh my God, I don't know how to break now.

00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:26.166
So you'd fall on purpose because it's the only way.

00:41:26.166 --> 00:41:29.717
If you get it, then then dad would teach you how to break and then you try again.

00:41:29.717 --> 00:41:31.824
You know, and that was the way it was.

00:41:31.824 --> 00:41:34.501
But now it's like a lot of times it's like, oh, I'll try this.

00:41:34.501 --> 00:41:36.525
Oh, that didn't work, let me go on to something else.

00:41:36.525 --> 00:41:37.987
Oh, I didn't like that, that didn't work.

00:41:37.987 --> 00:41:40.460
Oh, I failed.

00:41:40.460 --> 00:41:42.164
There aren't daring to fail anymore.

00:41:42.164 --> 00:41:55.840
It's like failure is the end-all, be-all, which what it is is actually an experience to teach you to then succeed, and succeed without failure you can't succeed without failure, and I think that's what you know.

00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.766
You're asking like what is this generation lost?

00:41:57.766 --> 00:42:06.088
They lost that ability to work through their failures because there's been a propensity to not allow them to fail.

00:42:07.150 --> 00:42:07.349
Right.

00:42:07.795 --> 00:42:11.025
Or to make it okay or almost kind of like placate.

00:42:12.896 --> 00:42:21.606
The first time that I was with a friend who had a four-year-old or five-year-old playing soccer and he's like, hey, we're going to watch the soccer game and I'm like what's the score?

00:42:21.606 --> 00:42:24.920
And they're like, oh, they don't keep score, it's got to be, we're just for fun here.

00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:25.802
And I was like what's the score?

00:42:25.802 --> 00:42:27.585
And they're like, oh, they don't keep score, it's got to be, we're just for fun here.

00:42:27.585 --> 00:42:28.226
And I was like what?

00:42:28.226 --> 00:42:32.092
But the funny part was all the moms were like, yay, good job, johnny, blah, blah, blah.

00:42:32.092 --> 00:42:36.034
And the guys were like somebody would score and it was like blah, blah, blah.

00:42:36.034 --> 00:42:39.657
And at the end of the game, okay, great, but all the guys would Like, literally, they are.

00:42:47.775 --> 00:42:48.876
They are keeping score.

00:42:48.876 --> 00:43:05.086
So I know it's, you know it's kind of sad and that's why I hope, and that's why I think that it's sad that I see some of these races folding as they are and it's Joe DeSana who does the big smart, tough letter and now tough letter because he taught a tough letter as well.

00:43:05.086 --> 00:43:14.056
But I hope that they don't and I hope that we can spur some, and I love that you've got one that goes on in your area.

00:43:14.056 --> 00:43:14.940
Is it still going on?

00:43:15.621 --> 00:43:18.059
We have a Spartan that goes right down the street.

00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:19.085
He does the stadium.

00:43:19.085 --> 00:43:26.298
They use Raymond James Stadium one, the inner city one, then we've got one in Orlando.

00:43:26.298 --> 00:43:34.820
That is also a city but not inside of a stadium, and we've got like we've got, so you can do a trifecta out here in the tampa orlando area.

00:43:35.101 --> 00:43:44.719
I think I need to do that, but you had mentioned another race that you said that you were you would help start best damn race, but that's a road race yes, oh, it's a road race okay race 5k, 10k, half marathon.

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.346
Yeah, those are road races, but we've got a lot of trail races out here as well.

00:43:47.346 --> 00:43:50.873
But, yeah, covid was definitely an instigator.

00:43:50.873 --> 00:43:55.449
Where you got to go, they went two years without being able to put on a race, you know.

00:43:55.449 --> 00:44:00.463
So what, depending on what their finances were, that could pretty much deter any.

00:44:00.463 --> 00:44:05.844
You know, it's a lot, of a lot of companies that went out of business because of covid Too many If you can't put on events.

00:44:05.844 --> 00:44:11.105
They weren't allowed to put on events, yeah, which made sense for that environment.

00:44:11.105 --> 00:44:16.487
So what would you say is your hardest obstacle in a race?

00:44:16.487 --> 00:44:18.382
What was the hardest obstacle that you can think of?

00:44:19.876 --> 00:44:22.465
So in Conquer the Gauntlet there was this race.

00:44:22.465 --> 00:44:24.402
It's called the Continental Divide.

00:44:24.402 --> 00:44:28.275
The gauntlet, there was this race.

00:44:28.275 --> 00:44:32.043
It's called the Continental Divide, and it's almost a 14 foot tall wall that you have to grab a rope and climb over.

00:44:32.043 --> 00:44:44.523
And when we came to this wall unfortunately was that my husband's very first race after surgery and you actually have to scale a six foot wall to get into the starting pin of concrete outlet.

00:44:44.523 --> 00:44:49.704
And when he scaled that wall and he found out a few years later that he ended up tearing a part of his bicep.

00:44:49.704 --> 00:44:57.016
So by the time we got to this wall he couldn't grab the rope to climb up because he had hurt it.

00:44:57.016 --> 00:44:59.882
He'd done further damage on another obstacle right after.

00:45:00.423 --> 00:45:03.717
So he's like, well, you give it a try, honey.

00:45:03.717 --> 00:45:04.878
And I'm like, okay, I'll try it.

00:45:04.878 --> 00:45:09.887
And I got about halfway up and I'm hanging from this rope and I'm going I can't make it up.

00:45:09.887 --> 00:45:13.099
Like I had not trained, like I had not done.

00:45:13.099 --> 00:45:18.237
I really hadn't known what a big obstacle course race was, like the ones that were in warrior dash.

00:45:18.237 --> 00:45:26.005
They had slats across so I could kind of climb up it with the rope and the rope had knots in it, so it was a lot easier to do this one.

00:45:26.005 --> 00:45:32.559
You were really relying on brute strength, your upper body strength, and just technique to be able to get up and over it.

00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:49.400
And so, because he couldn't get over it and this is kind of one of the lessons I used his excuse Him was my excuse to not try again, because I knew I couldn't do it and I'm like, oh well, you can't go up there.

00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.487
So I then, you know, I couldn't get my butt over that thing thing.

00:45:52.487 --> 00:45:54.960
So we walked around it.

00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.083
But that wall was really.

00:45:56.083 --> 00:46:03.719
It really bothered me, because when we got back to the house I was kind of looking at the obstacles, kind of reliving the day, and I'm like, oh my gosh, 80% of the people can get over this wall.

00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.003
What is my problem?

00:46:05.003 --> 00:46:06.226
I can't get over this thing.

00:46:06.226 --> 00:46:19.443
So we did the race again the next year and my husband had healed his arm we hadn't had surgery yet, but he had healed his arm through just rehab and he got over it and was waiting at the top for me.

00:46:19.443 --> 00:46:20.900
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to get over this wall.

00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:23.682
So I got up and I got stuck again and had to slide back down.

00:46:23.682 --> 00:46:25.724
So I'm like, all right, I'm going to do this again.

00:46:25.724 --> 00:46:39.659
So I get, I climb up the rope again, I get up to him and I just barely get myself onto this chicken wing position and I'm like literally holding onto the top of the wall, like with it my armpits and my arms at the top, and I'm just looking at him going, I don't know what to do, I can't get over this thing.

00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:42.081
And he's like, well, what do you want me to do?

00:46:42.081 --> 00:46:44.422
Like, literally, I was so pissed at that time.

00:46:44.422 --> 00:46:49.387
I'm like, just pull me the bleep over, get me over this thing.

00:46:49.387 --> 00:46:51.909
And so he got me over it.

00:46:51.909 --> 00:46:55.072
But I was still mad because I'm like why can't I get over this stupid wall?

00:47:03.375 --> 00:47:04.757
So we, the next year, our kids were old enough.

00:47:04.757 --> 00:47:05.760
Our daughter was, she had to be 12.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:06.762
So, you know, my son was, our son was 15.

00:47:06.762 --> 00:47:09.327
So we were able to now go participate in the race, or he was 14.

00:47:09.327 --> 00:47:10.228
Anyway, they were right around that age.

00:47:11.295 --> 00:47:16.603
And we get to this wall again and my husband and son decided to go to the other side.

00:47:16.603 --> 00:47:18.202
We have to run and go grab the rope.

00:47:18.202 --> 00:47:22.940
I'm like, yeah, no, I'm good, I'm going to start with a rope right down here and touch the ground so I don't have to run.

00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:24.603
I'm like, no, don't need to go run and do that thing.

00:47:24.603 --> 00:47:26.184
I'm like I can't do it anyway.

00:47:26.184 --> 00:47:29.775
And my daughter tries first, gets halfway up, she can't do it.

00:47:29.775 --> 00:47:30.639
So she comes back to me.

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:31.501
She's like okay, mom, you try.

00:47:31.501 --> 00:47:44.068
So I go up and I get stuck again and have to slide back down.

00:47:44.068 --> 00:47:45.431
I was like this is pissing me to try it again.

00:47:45.431 --> 00:47:47.172
So I get myself up.

00:47:47.172 --> 00:47:48.637
I get myself up to that chicken wing position.

00:47:48.637 --> 00:47:49.782
I'm going are you kidding me?

00:47:49.782 --> 00:47:54.519
Like I cannot like in this time my husband's not there to pull me over, like it's all by myself.

00:47:55.442 --> 00:48:02.150
And I was getting so frustrated, I was so pissed and then I started going well, why do I even want to get over this thing?

00:48:02.230 --> 00:48:03.170
What is my problem?

00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:04.471
Like this is that growth moment.

00:48:04.471 --> 00:48:05.572
You know that thing where you're going.

00:48:05.572 --> 00:48:08.313
Nobody cares if I get over this stupid wall.

00:48:08.313 --> 00:48:09.014
Like what am I doing?

00:48:09.014 --> 00:48:14.246
And then I hear from right below me my daughter, you got this mom.

00:48:14.246 --> 00:48:19.086
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I have to get over this wall now.

00:48:19.086 --> 00:48:22.844
Like that was that thing that finally made me go.

00:48:22.844 --> 00:48:26.657
Okay, kelly, figure it out, you know how to do this.

00:48:26.697 --> 00:48:27.820
Like that resilience piece that pulled into me.

00:48:27.820 --> 00:48:29.003
Like I can do this.

00:48:29.003 --> 00:48:40.282
It's not going to be pretty, but I can get my butt over this wall because I have to, because she's going to get over this wall, I have to be up there for her, because if I'm not up there for her, she's going to struggle to get over this wall.

00:48:40.282 --> 00:48:43.427
So don't know how I did it I think I probably kicked the guy next to me.

00:48:43.427 --> 00:48:46.431
I like literally threw my leg up and over.

00:48:46.431 --> 00:48:48.804
I somehow, like I think I pulled a muscle in my side.

00:48:48.804 --> 00:48:54.326
I don't know how I did it, but I literally rolled myself over the top of that wall.

00:48:54.326 --> 00:49:07.938
Like it was not pretty at all but I got over and I was up there to help my daughter and I think the guy that I probably almost kicked he stayed up there to help me pull Tori over as well.

00:49:07.938 --> 00:49:18.465
So that wall solidified to me why these challenges for me were so important, because by the time I got that wall, I think it was 48 years old.

00:49:19.516 --> 00:49:28.070
Am I going to give up on myself and let this thing of age stop me from trying the hard things in life?

00:49:28.996 --> 00:49:36.556
What example am I setting for my daughter and my son if I don't continue to push and do the hard things in life.

00:49:36.677 --> 00:49:48.690
We've got a lot of life to live, and if we don't be that role model for our kids, then they're going to find a role model somewhere else or they're going to role model something that we don't want them to.

00:49:48.690 --> 00:49:54.177
I know there's plenty of things that I have screwed up and they're going to go to therapy for something that I've done.

00:49:54.177 --> 00:50:07.922
You don't get through life as a parent not doing something that you screw up, but for the most part, though, I'm hoping that the majority of what we role model is that path of resilience, that path that you can do it, that path that you know what.

00:50:07.922 --> 00:50:10.445
You just have to keep going and keep trying.

00:50:10.445 --> 00:50:11.967
That was a lot of that.

00:50:11.967 --> 00:50:25.195
What I learned on that wall over these years is we've kept, and I've conquered it a few more times, but that's also I mean, that was probably the biggest thing that I took away and the biggest memory I have from some of these the obstacles that we've gone over.

00:50:26.938 --> 00:50:30.876
I see that it's kind of where everything just kind of came to fruition for you it sounds like.

00:50:30.876 --> 00:50:31.840
Is there a memory of that?

00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.807
I have to say something about obstacle courses.

00:50:34.807 --> 00:50:42.097
It's really amazing, and it's the same way in triathlon is that you're really not battling anybody else.

00:50:42.097 --> 00:50:44.541
It's not really a competition with other people.

00:50:44.541 --> 00:50:49.811
I mean, there's definitely there are some competitive leagues and things.

00:50:49.811 --> 00:50:57.956
I mean, like Spartan, you can get money for winning and all this stuff, but the majority of people you're battling the obstacle, you're battling yourself.

00:50:58.498 --> 00:50:58.717
Yes.

00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.617
You know it's always just doing a little bit better than you did the day before, and everybody knows that.

00:51:03.617 --> 00:51:31.802
And because everybody knows that the competition level is like next to nothing as far as the neighbor next door, the person at the top, like you said, the person that you actually almost kicked or did kick, we don't know yet he was like stayed up there because he saw your daughter down there and wanted to help, and that is the environment in these obstacle courses yes this I remember the first time I did tough mudder and I didn't know what to think.

00:51:31.842 --> 00:51:33.797
The first few obstacles were pretty much individual.

00:51:33.797 --> 00:51:36.291
You had to go under stuff, under and over and blah, blah, blah.

00:51:36.291 --> 00:51:37.675
There was really nothing high, nothing low.

00:51:37.675 --> 00:51:43.606
And then we get to this vertical gate, wire gate.

00:51:43.606 --> 00:51:45.617
You had to go up and over and back back down.

00:51:45.617 --> 00:51:46.340
You really had to go up and over and back down.

00:51:46.282 --> 00:52:01.001
You really had to go up and it's so high that you had to call and then crawl back down right and I didn't understand why there was people on the ground on the bottom rung and they're all sitting down and pulling and I didn't understand what they were doing.

00:52:01.001 --> 00:52:06.161
Until I got up and over they were, everybody was in there and they were keeping it taught.

00:52:06.161 --> 00:52:08.242
So it made it easy for the next person.

00:52:08.242 --> 00:52:14.003
And then when you jumped down, you took somebody's spot and you waited for another person to come over and that person came over.

00:52:14.003 --> 00:52:15.637
Then you went on with the obstacle course.

00:52:15.637 --> 00:52:17.943
It was amazing.

00:52:17.943 --> 00:52:20.731
I mean I was enthralled.

00:52:20.731 --> 00:52:21.653
I just was enthralled.

00:52:21.653 --> 00:52:23.536
I was like, wow, like it.

00:52:23.536 --> 00:52:27.159
I had more confidence in a human being than ever at that point.

00:52:27.378 --> 00:52:52.585
And it's about the fact that when you get out on that course, it doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what you look like, we are all out there battling together.

00:52:52.585 --> 00:52:56.815
I mean, people jump in strangers who had never met before Like this.

00:52:56.815 --> 00:53:04.005
We did the trifecta weekend in Dallas last October and there was a kind of a straight wall that you had to go up.

00:53:04.005 --> 00:53:15.081
My husband actually got up to the top, but you had to climb up like kind of like those rock climbing things, and I couldn't get my foot to the first one to get my leverage up, and this man just walked right by.

00:53:15.081 --> 00:53:16.922
He was walking by me, just stopped.

00:53:16.922 --> 00:53:18.581
He looked, he said do you need a hand?

00:53:18.581 --> 00:53:21.697
I'm like, yes, please, and he gave me a little foothold.

00:53:21.697 --> 00:53:26.766
I got up there and as I was climbing up I looked over and noticed he was doing his penalty rep and then he took off.

00:53:26.766 --> 00:53:36.652
If he was going for time and trying to do like a PR, he paused long enough to give me a hand and he didn't have to.

00:53:37.876 --> 00:53:45.315
And you see stories like this and you see just human nature all the time on these courses.

00:53:45.514 --> 00:53:54.827
I never go through one where we haven't had a group of people coming together to help others over an obstacle and where people have stopped to help us.

00:53:54.827 --> 00:54:06.835
It's really it's just that giving nature of human that we naturally give, and it's a place where people can just do it and feel good about it and not think about it that.

00:54:06.835 --> 00:54:47.065
I just wish that was something that we can embody a little bit more off the course, as I say, in the muddy field of life, little things like giving a smile to someone at the grocery store, holding a door open for somebody who's coming in behind you and not letting it slam shut on them, little know, little things like that that really truly mean something, like what it says is that you see that person, you're not just walking through life in your own little bubble, that you see that there are other people around you and having just being that little extra courteousness so they feel seen, and that can mean so much for somebody in one day that you never know what impact you can make.

00:54:48.668 --> 00:54:49.048
I agree.

00:54:49.048 --> 00:54:57.769
Into a crowded line of cars 13 different cars knowing that the people in back of you are trying to get home too Exactly.

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Let one or two in people, not the 13.

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Go on your way.

00:55:02.543 --> 00:55:04.969
Okay, you've got people.

00:55:04.969 --> 00:55:07.023
Remember the people behind you Exactly.

00:55:08.036 --> 00:55:10.385
I will tell you I love being back in Texas.

00:55:10.385 --> 00:55:11.942
I was actually born in Texas.

00:55:11.942 --> 00:55:16.940
I love being in Texas because people here know how to merge one at a time, Just kind of go like epimeth.

00:55:16.940 --> 00:55:18.590
It's just flip it.

00:55:18.590 --> 00:55:19.074
It's awesome.

00:55:19.074 --> 00:55:20.621
My hands are down to Texas drivers.

00:55:20.621 --> 00:55:21.342
Y'all don't have to drive.

00:55:23.045 --> 00:55:28.978
Yeah, and making a left-hand turn and blocking out those front lanes so that the people behind you can follow you through.

00:55:28.978 --> 00:55:30.302
Yeah, come on people.

00:55:30.302 --> 00:55:38.760
That's my little quibble that I have for some people, because Florida's got some really bad drivers Not as bad as DC, but it's getting close.

00:55:39.242 --> 00:55:42.096
Yeah Well, you got a lot of the northerners coming down, don't you?

00:55:42.155 --> 00:55:43.077
You have a lot of snowbirds.

00:55:43.077 --> 00:55:50.706
Yeah, the driving gets worse in the winter, so that's what you want to call it, but that's yeah, that's amazing.

00:55:50.706 --> 00:55:56.463
So you have a plan of action in your book.

00:55:56.463 --> 00:56:01.237
You want to just kind of go over those few different attributes and then we can wrap up.

00:56:01.757 --> 00:56:02.018
Sure.

00:56:02.018 --> 00:56:20.496
So after I wanted the book to not just be like a story about our escapades and what I learned from them, I really wanted folks to be able to just kind of hear the lesson, take the information, but then have some questions to really kind of go through and ponder what's going on in their life.

00:56:20.496 --> 00:56:31.768
My goal is that it will help people can build on their resilience, you know, build their inner strength and just really feel like they can actually move through life the way they want to move through life.

00:56:31.768 --> 00:56:34.184
So basically take their control and their power back in their life.

00:56:34.184 --> 00:56:44.121
So I go through five different strategies it's recovery, discovery, persistency, creativity and collaboration and then I break it down into three chapters each.

00:56:44.121 --> 00:56:55.565
But from each one from the lesson, there's like little bullet points that this is what we went over in this chapter and here are some questions like here's a scenario, think about this kind of scenario.

00:56:55.565 --> 00:57:00.724
And then here are some questions that you can ponder that will help you work through a problem.

00:57:00.724 --> 00:57:01.954
She's like she goes.

00:57:02.036 --> 00:57:06.125
I keep going back to the book to kind of work through my problems Warms my heart.

00:57:06.465 --> 00:57:07.168
Oh, my God.

00:57:08.496 --> 00:57:09.661
So that was my hope.

00:57:09.661 --> 00:57:13.322
I just hope that people will take the kind of self-coaching questions.

00:57:13.322 --> 00:57:15.527
You know, becoming a health coach.

00:57:15.527 --> 00:57:18.202
How can I help people kind of self-coach?

00:57:18.202 --> 00:57:20.018
Because we do a lot.

00:57:20.018 --> 00:57:24.699
Of us like to try to take things on and take care of ourselves and I think that's wonderful.

00:57:24.699 --> 00:57:32.751
Maybe, that'll help you do that a little bit better.

00:57:32.771 --> 00:57:39.338
So it's recovery, persistence, creativity and collaboration.

00:57:39.338 --> 00:57:39.739
All right people.

00:57:39.739 --> 00:57:40.121
So there you go.

00:57:40.121 --> 00:57:41.206
That's exactly the way to get through obstacles.

00:57:41.206 --> 00:57:55.322
And to find out more about that, don't forget, we'll have some links for you it's Lessons from the Obstacle Course and we'll have some links directly to the book as Long and also to her website, kellymajdancom, so you can do that.

00:57:55.322 --> 00:57:58.824
And where else could people get in contact with?

00:57:58.864 --> 00:58:03.027
you Instagram and Facebook.

00:58:03.027 --> 00:58:07.690
Power Through Wellness it's the name of our company and your power comes from within.

00:58:07.690 --> 00:58:15.753
It truly does and also on LinkedIn, so you can find Kelly Meston on LinkedIn and also Power Through Wellness on all three.

00:58:16.835 --> 00:58:18.219
We don't TikTok.

00:58:18.219 --> 00:58:24.083
Oh no, I know, it's just because you don't want to be brainwashed.

00:58:24.364 --> 00:58:24.965
I'm like I can't.

00:58:24.965 --> 00:58:27.637
I'm like, okay, there are some limitations as you're getting older.

00:58:27.637 --> 00:58:30.766
You're like, okay, do I really have to learn another social media platform?

00:58:32.175 --> 00:58:41.148
Yeah, we could talk about that forever, but yeah, so I'll put all the links into the show notes so that all of you can get in touch with Kelly.

00:58:41.148 --> 00:58:44.364
But definitely take a look at the book, because it's something else, let me tell you.

00:58:44.364 --> 00:58:49.103
So you got to give it a good read, so all right.

00:58:49.103 --> 00:58:51.887
So thank you so much, kelly.

00:58:51.887 --> 00:58:56.525
This has been a lot of fun and a lot of good comparables between our lives.

00:58:56.525 --> 00:58:58.751
Yeah, absolutely Crazy.

00:58:58.751 --> 00:59:02.061
Yeah, like really crazy, like surreal, which has been amazing.

00:59:02.061 --> 00:59:03.164
Thank you so much for sharing.

00:59:03.784 --> 00:59:04.367
Oh, thank you.

00:59:04.367 --> 00:59:05.135
I appreciate this.

00:59:05.135 --> 00:59:07.041
I'm glad that we were able to connect.

00:59:07.041 --> 00:59:07.862
This has been fun.

00:59:08.704 --> 00:59:09.385
All right, everybody.

00:59:09.385 --> 00:59:11.922
Thank you, we will see you in the next one.