Mastering Fitness and Mindset – Deshaun Jackson’s Journey to PsychRNFit

Brad Minus: [00:00:00] And welcome back to another episode of life changing challengers. Hey, you are in for a treat today because I have to Sean Jackson on, he is psych RN fit. It calls himself the psych RN fit lifestyle coach. He's got his own coaching program. And this guy is not only an expert or been around the physical, physical therapy field, but he's also an RN, he's a lifestyle coach and a fitness coach.

So Deshaun, how are you doing today? 

Deshaun Jackson: Very well, Brad. Thank you for having me on 

Brad Minus: I appreciate that. So Deshaun, can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, you know, kind of where you grew up, what was the compliment of your family and what was it like to be Deshaun as a kid?

Deshaun Jackson: All right, so going back, I grew up in the Greater Flint, Genesee County area. Flint has gained a lot of notoriety for good and bad reasons as why we're known. And growing up I was split between two households, my mother's house and my godparents house. And I literally had the [00:01:00] best of both worlds growing up.

Amazing childhood, love to play sports. I literally could bounce in between two households. I'd get on my bike and ride from my mom's house down to my godparents house, which is about a mile away. I stayed at both places. And, it was some dynamics growing up in a small midwestern town.

There were I was one of the few black kids in the community and adjusting and dealing with those issues. Other than that, I had a normal childhood growing up. 

Brad Minus: So did you have brothers or sisters? Only child. You and me both brother. I am curious because you mentioned that you were one of the few, black kids In the neighborhood, which I guess the neighborhood's probably changed since then.

Yeah. So, how did that affect you? Especially you're an only child. You don't have brothers and sisters to lean on. 

Deshaun Jackson: Speaking of, I grafted onto three brothers as I was growing up and that kind of became my brotherhood as a young kid. But the dynamic in Mount Morris at the [00:02:00] time where there's relatively few african american Children in the neighborhood.

So when maybe me and my white friends would go to somebody's house and hang out, sometimes there might have been a different reaction between their parents and the experience I got or one of the ones I really hold on to the town next to us. It was called quiet, really small town.

They had a nice park down there. And as a kid, I would go to Clio park, hang out with my friends. I hear people say, Hey, get out of, you don't belong here. And, you know, stuff like that. So I seen my counterparts didn't go through, so it created a dynamic, but like anything else, I navigated it.

Brad Minus: Great. I'm glad to hear that. That's a very, let's say healthy way of looking at it. I, I'm just as shocked because obviously we know what's going on today, right? See, growing up in the seventies and the eighties, nineties, I was in an area where it was pretty diverse.

I want to say colorblind, but to [00:03:00] me it was an adjective. You know what I mean? It was an adjective. It was like, this person was Asian. This person was black. This person was Laos. This person was Mexican. And that was it. 

That was the adjective. And yeah, did they have a con, you know, if I went to my African American friends house, was there a little bit of a change in culture there? Sure. But it wasn't enough that it made a difference. It like really didn't make a difference. And then today it's just seems like it's overwhelming.

Which is worse because it just feels like we went backwards. You kind of feel on that same thing. 

Deshaun Jackson: I feel like it is more prevalent in the way that we bring it up nowadays. You know, on one hand, we'll say we want a colorblind society, but then on the other hand, we'll talk about how race affects us so predominantly in society.

So I feel like we go back and forth between the two when we want to be a colorblind society versus we're saying these issues are race related issues and their problem. 

Brad Minus: Are you feeling any impact on that today? 

Deshaun Jackson: So for me, where it really came into play was when I came into nursing school.

There [00:04:00] was a, I was the only African American male at that program at that time, and I was the only 44 year old African American male predominantly with Caucasian. Females in the program. So there was some dynamics going through. For example, the one example I use is, when it came time to study, the women had no problem with them clicking up to get into a group.

Well, I'm a 44 year old African American male. I might not fit your dynamic to come over to your house and to study with. So I had to work around some things. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. You know what? And I imagine it wasn't at that point in my, Humble opinion being around the healthcare industry, and I've been around it a long time.

It probably wasn't the fact that you were 44. Yeah, I think that was probably it so let's step back a little bit. So you said you played sports You played sports in high school 

Deshaun Jackson: Played football growing up, wrestled for a little while, tried baseball, but I found my sport was football.

I just love being able to hit people and, figure out [00:05:00] offenses. I love defensive linebackers. So that was my sport. And that was high school. Did you take that into college? I did not take it into college. Unfortunately, that's where mindset set in. I wanted to go to U of M. I knew I wanted to go to U of M.

I wanted to go play football, but then I didn't have the mindset and the drive to follow through on those. 

Brad Minus: So what kind of mindset did you have? 

Deshaun Jackson: I think that I thought things would just fall into place more. Way I might describe it is maybe I had more faith and less work at the time.

And now my work ethic has changed. It is definitely more work focused versus faith. So at the time, I think, I thought that things, I don't want to say we're given to you, but you didn't have to work as hard for them. 

Brad Minus: So you mentioned faith. Was that something that you grew up in?

Did you grew up in the church? 

Deshaun Jackson: Grew up in the church. Mom raised me in the church. Predominantly non denominational Christian. So every Sunday, maybe Wednesday, Bible study, we were at church. 

Brad Minus: Alright. So you said [00:06:00] you wanted to go to U of M. Did you end up going there? 

Deshaun Jackson: So I did not go to U of M, but I kept it on my heart. Long story short, my godfather raised me for this passion, this love of U of M. And it stuck with me going into adulthood, a young male, always watching U of M basketball, football, going to the campus, loving the Ann Arbor area. 

When it became time to get into the nursing program, I knew there was one school to go to. 

Brad Minus: Oh, okay. So you went and, you started at somewhere and then when you went back to nursing school, you ended up going to U of M. So what was the first school? 

Deshaun Jackson: Mott Community College for my physical therapy assistant degree.

Graduated from Mott, worked for about six years and then decide, had some things happen. Had a coworker tell me to Sean, you need to stay in your lane. And I kind of took that personal. So I decided that I wanted to go back to nursing so I could widen my lane and my scope of practice.

My godmother at the time, was going through some health issues and she was a big motivator to push me into nursing. My ex wife at the time was a nurse and she was kind of motivating me and [00:07:00] pushing me into nursing. All these factors were coming together. 

Brad Minus: So, okay.

But you ended up not going to nursing school till you were 44. So there's a big span there. Correct. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? 

Deshaun Jackson: So stepping back into my community college, I was for sure that I was going to be a physical therapy assistant.

Like this is what I want to do. I love working with people in the physical realm. And then I found that if I had a full time job, I had to keep it because there was no guarantee of finding another one. And that was one of the factors that also pushed me into switching into U of M for the nursing was because I never seen a nurse out of work.

They didn't want to be. There were plenty of jobs. They could go do anything they want. They could switch hospitals to different centers to whether they work bedside or whatever the case. And so that was one of the big factors that said, you know, I need to do more. I want to do more. 

Brad Minus: Right. So six years, you're talking about, you were 26, seven by the time you left your first physical therapy assistant job.

Deshaun Jackson: I entered in U of M during the COVID at 40 years old. [00:08:00] 

Brad Minus: All right. So at 40 years old, did you end up doing physical therapy assistance all the way through till you went to nursing school? 

Deshaun Jackson: I did. Six years of working full time. And then once I was into the nursing program, I still stuck with it just a little bit until I transitioned out.

Brad Minus: Well, of course, gotta still make money, right? So tell me about. So you were, you were heavy into football. So I would assume then you just, did you just keep your discipline of going to the gym throughout that time? I mean, you were already doing physical therapy assistance, so you're already in that field of movement, kinesiology, exercise, I imagine.

Did you just keep your, your discipline of going to the gym? 

Deshaun Jackson: I lost it actually during my early twenties and thirties. It was very sporadic. I don't know what happened. I just, I thought that you could maintain it, keep it. I just got lazy. And so I was working out every couple of years, I'd go back 30 to 60, maybe 90 days.

And then I'd fall off again, three to four months back, 30, 60, 90 days fall off again. And then once I got [00:09:00] into physical therapy assistant school, I had stayed, I started to stay consistent. And it's been about a 10 year run of consistency working out, staying dedicated. And using this to help further the lifestyle brand.

Brad Minus: So let's talk about your mindset there, because that's probably the biggest thing that's going on today is people do the exact same thing that you do. Now you're 10 years in, and it's a habit you keep going. But back then that's probably most prevalent in today's society is that people start.

And they continue and then all of a sudden they fall off just for life reasons or injury and then it takes a while and maybe a year later they'll try again and they'll come back. But now you've been consistent for 10 years. So can you tell us what your mindset difference was?

Deshaun Jackson: I wish I could tell you the day, the time, the year that the flip switched, but it just started little by little. I was working as a physical therapy assistant. I would look here in Michigan and there was a gym close by and I started going every day, little by little, 40 minutes. Then it started to an [00:10:00] hour, then an hour and 15 minutes, switch gyms, stayed dedicated there and it became habitual.

That my body, my mind needed it. If I had coffee in the morning, I knew the gym followed. It just, it was the next logical step. So at that point it is like anything else, whether it's a procrastination becomes a habit or something healthy becomes a habit. It just became an everyday process. 

Brad Minus: I get it. And you know what?

I've always talked about that, with some of my clients is that. You know, and most of them will say the same thing and most and most endurance athletes, especially in Florida, we're mourning, you know, most of us are, we're mourning exercises, right? So here in Florida and Tampa. Yeah, you most of the year you want to be in, you know, you want to be working out by 6 a.

Minimally. If not even before then. So, we're habitual like that and it just happens to be. I liken that to like brushing your teeth, just like you said, with coffee, you know what I mean? And I'm like, Hey, that's what you do. It's just [00:11:00] part of it. And it's interesting because when I take on a client, they get a little bit concerned when they see on their plan that it's seven days.

I'm like, well, you have to dig in, but it's not all the same effort level. Right. To keep you on that habit, right? So you, you have your days that you work out long, you have your days that you work out hard, and then you have your recovery days, which are still a workout, but it's much less intense.

But to keep that habit, you have seven days, you know, one of those days might be go foam roll, do some yoga poses, stretch for a little bit, and you're done. And then some of those days is you got an hour and a half with frickin intervals in between. And you have to understand that. But it's to keep you on that habit.

And it tends to work. You know what I mean? Obviously, you're going to be thinking about, Oh, tomorrow. Yay, I get a recovery day. Oh, tomorrow, I got an hour and a half with intervals. Oh, God. You know, so, but I love that aspect of it. Before we talk about how you actually got into lifestyle coaching, which is really, really want to talk to you about and get [00:12:00] more into that in your methodology.

Can you give us an idea of what your splits are for the for the week? 

Deshaun Jackson: So I'm on a push pull, three day, legs, back chest program with arms on my chest and back day. So I've been on that for about a year and a half. I was doing a five day split, everybody part five days a week, and then I throw in a hit session on Saturday.

The reason for the switch was because I signed up for a coach who put me on the three day push pull program. I do like that. I find that it does get a little repetitive for me. As I age, some elbow knee issues. So I might find I have to throw in a cardio day, give that elbow arrest, give that knee arrest and then pick right back up.

So sometimes it turns into a four day split if I need to give the. Body part a little bit of a day off. 

Brad Minus: Wow. That's great. And I love that. Just to give, some ideas, we push, pull, and then a day of cardio. What is your favorite form of cardio?

Deshaun Jackson: Burpes. Hands down. I'll do really the hardest. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. For me, a [00:13:00] burpee workout in my workout day would be 200 a burpee, of a hundred would be a quick cardio session before I jumped into a full blown workout. 

Brad Minus: Wow. A hundred burpees. Oh my God. Hey, listen, I will run. 50 miles before you tell me to do a hundred per piece.

Deshaun Jackson: That's how I feel about running 50 miles. 

Brad Minus: All right. So, so, okay. So your physical therapist assistant, and now you're an RN. What was your specialty as an RN? 

Deshaun Jackson: I work in a psych facility. It's a partial hospitalization program for adults and youth. It's a day program where they get there about 9 a.

m, leave by three, have education classes, therapy, and see the doctor. 

Brad Minus: That's, this is talk about all around. No wonder you're doing what you're doing. And we'll talk about that here in a minute. Is that you had it right? You've got physical therapy, kinesiology, moving injury, prevention, injury recovery, Then you walk into mental total [00:14:00] mindset because this is a, you know, you're in to that, that mental health side of it.

Oh, by the way, I love the fact that you have a coach. Yes. Some people are like, Hey, I'm a coach. I help people get fit. And I have got my own coach. I'm the same way. I hire a coach whenever I'm ready to start doing, when I'm getting ready for a race, I hire a coach as well.

But my methodology. I know will work for me, but I also get, not only do I get somebody that's holding me accountable to a certain point, I don't like that ability. I feel like the accountability part should be on the athlete, but I see the reason why people would like that, why people like that accountability.

But I get an education and it changes, you know, if I use my own methodology to train myself. First of all, you get like, I'm going to go organic, right? All right. I know I need one of these days. One of these is one of these days. So, [00:15:00] well, maybe today we'll do this. So let me do that. And then it ends up being inconsistent as far as your workouts go.

You'll get your workouts in, but I love the idea of challenging my body to do something different. You know, like I had one. One of my coaches was big on like speed workouts. And when usually like I only profess one speed workout a week, he had me doing like up to three with a tempo workout and then two long distance workouts.

Right. That was much different for me. You know what I mean? And then the way that we were doing tempo workouts where it's like one mile at pace, half mile out of, you know, off pace, and then three miles on pace and then two miles not on pace and then, you know, easy, and it was, it was definitely a much different way of doing things.

I had another coach that was a lot shorter distance and a lot, and a lot speedier. Intervals. And then I had somebody else that was more like me, which, you know, tended to do [00:16:00] a lot of long miles. And then you, Just added a couple of intervals within the long, within the long miles. So that was like much different, you know?

So, and what you mentioned was perfect. I love that. So you did a, you know, five day split. Now you're doing push pull much different. So you're getting, you know, you're getting muscle confusion, which was coined by Tony Horton, for, for a long time. And I, I, I love Tony Horton. I think he's, I think he's brilliant.

And I did the 90, was it P90X when it first came out? That was a blast, right? I thought it was fun anyway. So what got you started actually, you know, with helping out with clients? 

Deshaun Jackson: It was kind of like you said, I had the physical therapy assistant degree. I've worked with patients with hip replacements, knee replacements, injury prevention, muscle recovery, multiple different settings.

And then working now in mental health where predominantly I teach mindset, I teach macro nutrition, I teach exercise in mental health. And it was [00:17:00] just a combination of you can combine this knowledge and you can do something with it. And so I find that every few years I need to switch up careers. I need to push the envelope a little bit or whatever that may be.

And so, between PTA and nursing, there was like six years now between nursing and lifestyle. It's about a year and a half. So I find I keep shortening the distance in between careers to up my game. 

Brad Minus: Nice. 

Deshaun Jackson: Not full time. I still work as an RN and I see clients after work.

Brad Minus: Oh, sweet, sweet. So tell us a little bit about what happens when you first get a client and then introducing them to your methodology. What does that look like? 

Deshaun Jackson: First, we start with the onboarding process. We bring you on and we talk about what your goals are and what you're trying to do and how the program can help you specifically.

What do you need to do? And then whatever that let's say it's body recomp, we're going to set you up with a program six days a week, seven days a week working on body recomp. We're going to talk about your mindset to the [00:18:00] program. What's hindered you prior to what's some of the blocks going into that might be that we need to discuss and work around.

And what has your macro nutrition look like? What's your prior exercise experience and the injuries that we need to work around. So that's how we start the onboarding process within the next two weeks. Once it. Our client has started. We'll make some final adjustments before. This is the plan we're sticking to.

This is what we're going to run with for the next month, three months. And that's how it goes. 

Brad Minus: Okay, great. What do you find is the biggest hindrance that people are coming to you with as far as not either not staying on the exercise program or in general? 

Deshaun Jackson: So the way I describe that is I don't care whether their issue is related to exercise, whether it's related to macronutrition. Typically those, it's all revolved around their mindset and how they're looking at whatever the obstacle is in front of them. So for me, it's their mindset. I signed up with my coach because I needed something or a motivator that I wasn't doing on my own that somebody else could help me with.

So [00:19:00] I assume they're signing up with me for the same way. There's something they couldn't stick to or have had issue with. So I need somebody to help me because I'm going to assume that if they didn't need the help, There ain't no reason to call me. If you've been doing it yourself and you've got your macro nutrition dialed in, you've got your exercises dialed in.

Most people aren't reaching out for help. So, that's where I start. I need to find out where your goals are. Let's dial it in from there and get you where you need to be. 

Brad Minus: So as far as macro nutrition goes, what is your favorite tool that you assign your clients? 

Deshaun Jackson: For me, I would say it's the MyFitnessPal app.

It is you holding yourself accountable. Are you weighing, are you tracking? What are you putting into your mouth daily? Because what I find is if you have an issue with weight, calories in, calories out, and if I ask you, what are your macro nutrition? And you can't tell me, well, you're guessing.

Or you don't care and you've just been eating blindly. So to me, it's, we need to dial in that macronutrition. What you're putting in your mouth [00:20:00] is essential. 

Brad Minus: I love my fitness pal. I think it's the bomb. Does it have problems? Absolutely. It's got problems, but there's not an app out there that doesn't, it is the most populated database that you're going to be able to find. You can literally get the barcode and it'll pop everything right up there with ease, I am a big fan of my fitness pal.

I also use, another SAS program called training peaks is how I, talk to my clients, how I give them their workouts. And then we use most people. I make them get a watch. It's a staple. It's got to happen and everything on their watch automatically goes into training peaks But also goes is also linked into my fitness pal so when they plug in their Macros and their nutrition the burned calories is also included.

So it worked out, you know, and then the only thing they really have to do is put in notes and their nutrition. Everything else is coming by the watch. So it's really, great. And if they leave their watch on all the time. So it gets [00:21:00] my sleep.

It gets my, it gets my HRV. It gets, it gets pretty much everything. So, and then it's all loaded into, my fitness pal along with training peaks so that, you know, when it tells you, okay, you, you know, in order for you to get your seven 50 or 500 calorie deficit, which is kind of like where I maintain, my people do right.

Like if they're learning to lose weight, 500 to seven 50, I don't want them. More than that because they end up going into, fat hibernation, after a few days of that. So I like to keep it at between 500 and 750, which I'm going to ask you about what yours is here in a minute.

So if they've burnt, 750 calories already, and their BRM is, is their basal, the BMR is, their basal metabolic rate is 2000, so that's 2 27 50. So now they can look at it and go, Oh, well, if I was supposed to do 10 fits, I got to eat 2000 calories, right? And then we'd put a kid with their macros.

So they know that with the burn, they actually have more that they can eat. Now those days that they [00:22:00] don't work out or they're only doing a short workout, and they only end up burning 200 calories. Well, then they got 200 calories. But at least they, they can see that right ahead of time. Another thing about greatest thing about working out in the morning, because also it's already burned.

So that's mine. What's your methodology on weight loss as far as using my fitness? 

Deshaun Jackson: So, well, I also key them in on my trainer eyes app. It connects with my fitness pal.

So it will log into, Okay. When they log into trainer eyes, they can put everything into, and it's connected to my fitness pal so I can see their mind right now. I can see their workouts on my trainer eyes app and everything that they're loading or putting in. So what's the question again? 

Brad Minus: Oh, it's just your methodology on weight loss.

Deshaun Jackson: Let's say I have a female five, eight, 180 pounds. We're trying to body recomp. I'm going to keep her at anywhere between 1300, 1400 calories for three weeks or more. Let's see where your weight comes. I want to keep you at between the week, maybe two to two and a half pound weight [00:23:00] loss from Sunday to Sunday.

And then if you're making progress, we're going to keep you there. Let's say you go up and over, haven't lost any weight. We're going to bring it down a hundred calories. We're going to bring you to 1300, maybe 1250. Little by little, I want to bring you down one pound and a half to two pounds a week, give or take what client I'm working with.

Brad Minus: Okay. So, how do you determine the B well, so I'm using 1400. I would believe that that's probably that their BMR is probably what 1700 maybe. So how do you, how do you determine their BMR? Is it mostly just a, basically an online calculator or ? It's an online calculator.

Deshaun Jackson: And honestly, for me. I don't get caught up in the BMR unless I have somebody who is specifically I have a client who's training to get on stage. They're going to be way more accurate than somebody who is just in a lifestyle. And I want to lose a few pounds. So for me, I'm using the scale as an indicator.

I'm using the pictures as an indicator. I'm using [00:24:00] their feedback as an indicator. And then I'll have them do something specific. I need you to go out and this hypothetical five, 880 pound female size 12. I need you to go out and buy a size 10 pant. Ones you can't fit in that you want to because that's the goal because what's going to happen is in three weeks in one month You're gonna all of a sudden go to try on those size tens because you've been at 12 for three weeks and blow up I can get in those now.

So now we've got another marker because it's not always gonna show on the pictures It's not always gonna show on the scale, but all of a sudden you get into those size 10 pants That's a good indicator. We're making progress. 

Brad Minus: I Like that That's fantastic. Oh, wow. I do the, recom stuff and endurance athletes look much different than bodybuilders and, people that are looking for aesthetics.

But I do have a few, and especially the women that I have, they like to look good, you know? So I use the mirror and the cookie test. If you can be. somewhat [00:25:00] bare looking at yourself in the mirror and eat a cookie, you're good. If you look at that and you can eat a cookie because you're looking at that going, yeah, I look good.

I can have this cookie. They are good to go. There is no problem. 

Deshaun Jackson: I like that. 

Brad Minus: But if they're looking at there and they're going, I probably shouldn't eat this and they want to put it down. Okay. Let's figure out what that is. And let's move on? Oh, it's a couple extra.

It's an extra percentage, maybe two percentages of fat. All right, we'll, we'll. We can do that. Figure that part out. I'll add a speed workout because that'll like that, that drops it. I'll add an extra like long, long day because that's a fat burner. That's a complete fat burner.

And we, after three weeks that 1 percent is gone and then other kids sit there and they can eat their cookie. Yes. I like it. So yeah, that's always fun. I love it. So, but anyway, you are a big proponent of, I think the word is what's the word. So incantations or what's the, everybody's affirmation.[00:26:00] 

Deshaun Jackson: Yep. Absolutely. Nobody validates you more than you and working in mental health. One of the biggest things I see is the way people feel about themselves, Or if somebody says something negative to them and it tanks their self esteem. So I teach you're never going to get a group of cheerleaders sitting on your right shoulder, cheering you on rah, rah, every day.

You have to be that cheerleader on your right shoulder, cheering you on every day. In 24 hours, we go through a level of emotions, whether they're low level, high level, we feel good or we feel bad. What I tell you is in those low moments, You have to be able to pick yourself out of that and bring yourself to a high level, whether that's, doing something you're good at and getting better, whether it's starting a new project you've never done before and getting better, whether it's, increasing your exercise, whether it's your macronutrition, you are talking about, to yourself positively in a manner that's going to uplift you.

I tell my clients use music, music, Absolutely biohacks your mood when working with patients in mental health. I asked him, [00:27:00] what's the sad song you put on when you feel depressed? I said, you know why you put that on? Because the melody absolutely taps into your mood. It works in reverse. If you were finding you were having a crappy day, put on that song.

That's going to have you in the middle of the dance floor dancing like nobody else is around. 

Brad Minus: I absolutely am a proponent of that matter of fact. And unfortunately I can't find an app that does it anymore. I used to have an iPod. Alarm clock and the iPod was automatically set to a song. So when I woke up, that song was my song.

That was my jam. So I had no problem getting out of bed. I came out of bed dancing because that was my song. And if my song changed, I changed the song on the iPod. So I absolutely a proponent to that, I guess, but I can't find a way to get my iPhone, to wake me up with my jam.

And I wish I could do that. Cause now I use that as my, my alarm [00:28:00] clock. But I think I just love that. Absolutely. The first thing, and I tell that to my friends, you had a problem getting out of bed. Put on your favorite song, start singing to it and you'll, and you'll get out of bed.

You will, you definitely will. So yeah, I am a huge proponent of that. And then of course I have my people run with music. They're not allowed to do it during a race, but when they're out training, yeah, absolutely. They run with music. So yeah, I, I a hundred percent believe that. But that's, that's fantastic.

Well, that's a lot of really, really great information. You have an Instagram account. And that's psych RN fit. We're going to put that in the show notes. So that you can contact the Sean, when it's time for you to get a coach. He's going to take care of you, get you to where you want to be.

From what I can tell, it's a hundred percent online and he will get you to where you want to go. This is not about where he wants to take you. It's about where you want to go. Everything is customized to you. I'm assuming that your preferred method is to slide into your [00:29:00] DMS on Instagram.

Absolutely. Reach out to me on Facebook or Instagram. Okay. And then, so I will also put his Facebook address in the, in the show notes, so you can reach out and, yeah, you got to reach out to Deshaun. And it sounds like that his coaching program is going to be amazing. He's got some great stuff.

He's got some great content on Instagram. So you need to actually reach out and, get your fit on and get that mindset going, which is going to help you the rest of all other parts of your life. Talking from somebody that also teaches, you know, that also is big into mindset.

I've seen people that have never run a 5k before run a 5k. And then two months later they end up getting a promotion. There is something about physical activity. and mindset that is connected, the endorphins or whatever. The confidence is probably, a big part of it.

Deshaun Jackson: I would agree. In fact, one of the examples I give Brandon, you probably could test this more than I can. I say, I tell my clients or patients, have you, when you're watching the Boston marathon, have you ever seen a [00:30:00] depressed marathon runner? You don't. Depression does not exist in the same headspace when they are running.

When you are doing a marathon or a triathlon, they might have depression, their anxiety prior to, they might experience it afterwards, but in the midst of they are in a zone, they're in their, flow state and depression, anxiety do not exist. 

Brad Minus: You know, you're absolutely right.

The minute they've, done that first heavy lift, there's a smile, there's a sweat, there's something that's going on there. They're in that the endorphins are hitting and things are going.

So yeah, so I definitely, so reach out to the Sean, get your coaching on, and check out his facebook and his instagram. If you are watching on YouTube, please go ahead, like, and subscribe, hit that notification bell. So you always know when we're dropping a new episode. And if you're, if you're on Apple or Spotify or any of those other pod cast directory apps, you know.

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I really appreciate it. But with all that being said, thank you very much. Thank you to Sean. And we will see you in the next one.