How to Align Your Subconscious for Rapid Growth with Joseph Drolshagen

Brad Minus: [00:00:00] And we're back with another episode of Life-Changing Challengers. Again, I'm your host, Brad minus. And I have to tell you, I am so excited. This is going to be epic. This gentleman has so high energy, high powered. He's going to show you things and talk to you about things that you never thought possible.

I have with me Joseph Drolshagan. Hey, Joe, how you doing? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Great. It's great to be here with you too, Brad, I'm pumped. 

Brad Minus: I'm really excited to get into it. So as I ask all my guests, Joseph, can you tell us a little bit about your childhood? You know, where you grew up, what was the compliment of your family and what was it like to be Joseph as a kid?

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah, I come from humble beginnings. I grew up in a family with five children in a very low income blue collar family in Detroit, Michigan. Growing up, I remember watching my parents struggle, you know, there was always financial struggle. My dad would work as many hours.

I remember one time as a little kid, my dad [00:01:00] was going to work. I was still in elementary school and he was, getting sick in the bathroom I go, why are you going to work? He goes, I'm not going to take a day off when I'm feeling like this.

I'll take a day off when I feel great. You know, and that's how he thought, you know, and he would work as many hours as he possibly could, and I saw how it beat up the stress in the family, how it beat up, their marriage and how it beat them up individually, eventually health problems.

And I viewed all of that. And when I was growing up, I remember often thinking as a child, like I didn't feel so much like a little kid as I felt like I was supposed to be doing something all the time. I was always supposed to be doing, whether it was school work at, and I didn't get into school early on and stuff like that.

So I didn't, you know, have the honor role and things like that. But yeah, I just felt like there was always something I should be doing, you know, and I remember like nine years old, Brad, I went and spent the weekend at a friend of mine's house and his dad gave us [00:02:00] 20 and told us to ride our bikes to Dairy Queen.

And my family, we had to save up to go to Dairy Queen. So I went back home after that weekend and I walked in and I could just tell, I didn't know what energy was or things like that, but I could just, there was such a different feel between the two households. And so when I went home, I was like, man, you people, this is so different.

It's so darker and heavier. And I don't know how else to describe it. I'm not going to live like you guys. When I get older, 

Brad Minus: can I ask, what did your dad do? He 

Joseph Drolshagen: operated heavy equipment, not for construction for the steel industry.

He used to operate cranes and things like that and such. So, he did that. And then my mom was a court reporter for the federal court. So she would be up, like, she would actually start work when we went to bed and work until we got up for school and get us off to school. And then she would go and sleep and stuff.

Brad Minus: Oh, so she was doing shorthand while she was in the courtroom and then she had to transcribe it after that night. 

Joseph Drolshagen: I remember my dad coming home. And eating dinner and [00:03:00] then going, you know, sitting in a chair and he would sleep most of the night there in a chair. He was just so tired and so exhausted. 

Brad Minus: Wow. 

Joseph Drolshagen: And they still did what they could do for us. You know, we had a pop up camper. We used to go, you know, they would take us two weeks into the upper Peninsula, Michigan, and we'd go camping and he would take us fishing.

And he, you know, like, you know, it wasn't often that we got to do that. Like one of the things my dad, every year, my birthday's in January and probably for about eight years straight, every year, the weekend of my birthday, he and I would go ice fishing and Brad, we never caught a fish in eight years. 

I literally took hot coffee from the thermos and poured it down my boots because my feet were so cold. Which then, you know, cooled down and, and I almost did get frostbite from it, but I wouldn't tell him and every year I would look forward to that time with him and I, you know, getting to do that and stuff.

And so, and to me, that's a good, a very good fond memory of, of, and knowing how busy they were, knowing how stressed [00:04:00] and pressured they were to find time to do things like that with us was, was. I mean, it was golden. It was beautiful. 

Brad Minus: I had a similar situation. My dad started in Corp in a fortune 500, but he would work like hours away.

So you take them quite a few hours to get, you know, a couple hours to get there, a couple hours to get home by time that time he was exhausted. But then he decided that, no, I want better for my family. Then he went into real estate. And you know, when you're at the bottom, you don't have a book or anything like that.

He went into real estate. So now it's like, and he always said that I'm going to pick up floor time anyway I can. So he'd constantly be on floor time. I'd never see him. Yes. So I get it. And then, our little things were just like that going to see movies. It was a normal thing from middle school all the way up through high school was Friday night was dollar movie pizza.

And you know, with the family and I did that all the way through because I didn't see my dad. I did that all the way through high school without fail. So I get it. So you said you have got five siblings, four [00:05:00] siblings 

Joseph Drolshagen: and myself. 

Brad Minus: Are you still close to them? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. I still have relationships with all of my, my mom and dad both passed and I got to see an incredible love story in my life with my parents. They were married for 57 years. My dad passed away about 13, 14 years ago of cancer.

And my mom just didn't want to be alive without him. A little over a year later, she passed away in natural causes. 

Brad Minus: I've seen that more than once. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. To experience it firsthand, it really, really like, it was like, wow, because in the years growing up, it wasn't like that. They would have like heated arguments and things like that.

And every once in a while I'd come up about calling the lawyer. I didn't even know what that meant, you know, about caught until I was older and stuff, but yeah. So, I mean, it's funny how like much I got to see how, how big. teachings of them were and what I ended up learning and walking away with later on with seeing their life as well.

Brad Minus: Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. So you went [00:06:00] to, let's jump into like high school. Did you do any extracurriculars? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Nothing really big, honestly, until I got to be like 22 years old. 

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Joseph Drolshagen: I'm out of school. I didn't go to college right away. So I was getting a job first in a factory and this and that and stuff.

And so, you know, I'm trying to figure out what I was going to do. Part of my conditioning growing up was a man gets a job, supports a family and hopefully lives long enough to enjoy some retirement. Right. So you kill yourself until you're old enough to retire. And then. Supposedly you're going to have this great life, 

Brad Minus: right?

Well, you end up living to work 

Joseph Drolshagen: and remember that problem. Yeah. I remember that promise I made myself at nine years old and I'm not going to live like these people. Right. And then I get my twenties and I get a decent job. I hadn't started in corporate America at that time, but I get a decent job. And, I started realizing like, if something came really easy to me, I felt like I didn't deserve it because I didn't work hard enough for it.

That's interesting. And so these things would show up of certain things and, and, and [00:07:00] not just once multiple times, I would end up like getting to the point where I'm almost feel guilty inside of myself. If I, like, if I did that, I'm taking advantage, you know, so I wouldn't heed those opportunities and, and, and take advantage of them.

And then I started, like, I worked, I broke into corporate America in my early twenties. And I had a construction company I started because, you know, you got to work a lot, right? 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Continually work to get to that retirement age, you know, to build that egg. And, and I struggled financially. I beat myself up. I, you know, in corporate America, I'm, I started out in the ground floor and sales, and I was trying to build tech, these territory. And with. Companies like aluminum, high pressure castings, like transmission transfer cases. I didn't know anything about them. So I'd go into plant and learn about them.

And then I'd go out and try and sell. And I'm selling and it's not, I'm not really getting headway into it. 

Brad Minus: And so what do you mean by that? You weren't getting headway. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Accounts. I [00:08:00] wasn't getting new business. I wasn't adding new customers. It was, you know, I'm making calls.

I'm trying To call people to put into the funnel, to start talking to about, building clients or customers and stuff. And I just wasn't like, I mean, I was getting some, but very, very minimal. I found myself kind of at the lower end of the pack when the sales teams I was in and stuff.

And so I did the only thing I knew how to do is I worked harder and I worked more hours and I got to the point about year seven or eight. It's how long this went of building it up to where I was traveling 3, 000 to 5, 000 miles every week, building territories, calling customers, and just staying in that hustle mode.

And I still wasn't growing. I mean, I added a little bit, but not nothing near the effort I was putting in, and I couldn't figure out why are these people. Selling like crazy and they make it look easy. They laugh, they enjoy what they're doing. I couldn't stand going to work. I felt like I should have been fighting it any day.

And I [00:09:00] brought that stress upon myself and, you know, I was married at the time and I brought stress into that relationship and it just continued to flow at some point. I started looking for help. I started with counseling and then from counseling, I started doing like self help type of programs and I didn't get changed there.

Then I went to like group type of programs. That didn't help me. I even went one on one coaching with some pretty big names. I got nothing out of it. So I started every time I walked away from that, with that. Belief more ingrained in my mind that there must be something to matter with me.

Because you hear these people talk about the results. You hear all this stuff about the change and the testimonials and everything else. And I believed them, but I didn't get that. So I'm still now I'm adding, I'm spending financial resources while I'm trying to build financial resources. It's not happening great.

And I'm moving into the whole thing, honestly drove me to abusing alcohol [00:10:00] 

Brad Minus: for 

Joseph Drolshagen: about four years. 

Brad Minus: Wow. So you're in this job and you're working hard. It's a challenge for you. So even though it's hard for you, you're no feel guilty. So that part's out of the way because it's hard for you.

Right? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Right. 

Brad Minus: So, 

Joseph Drolshagen: so instead of guilt, you have the fear of getting fired because you're not making your mark. I mean, there's always something there driving that, you know, bad, I should feel bad. 

Brad Minus: And I think this is a great story for you because I think most of the stories that I've told in recent episodes are things that are kind of off the wall.

That the adversity that we talk about is, something that's big. It's huge. It's something that's. way out of the norm. Narcissist, wives that were beaten, that type of thing. I think the story that you're telling right now is something that's a lot more common that people don't feel like, well, this is just the way it is.

I have to struggle at work and then I come home and, you go on from there and then you get up the next morning and you go to work and you do everything you possibly can not to get fired and then you come home the next day.

And it's a revolving thing where, as I had mentioned before, like [00:11:00] you were doing, you were living to work where we should be working to live, right? You know? So that's super interesting. Do you remember the first time that you found. That alcohol actually started to suppress some of those feelings.

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. Cause my dad, he didn't, he'd have an occasional beer, like, a couple of years or something like that and he wasn't using it and I just, for a long time, I didn't, through a lot of my twenties, I didn't drink at all just through other life situations in my personal life we have five pregnancies and I have one child and so things like that added to it and other hardships we all experienced just added to that heap of a guy who's walking around now, 30 years old going, man, I'm broken, I'm not right.

And not knowing anything more than that about it and stuff. And so, yeah, I just, I can't remember exactly how it started. It was just like a reprieve for a few moments from all the stuff going on up here, from all the stuff in my life, situation, circumstances, all of that [00:12:00] stuff. It was just a reprieve.

And you know, when we find a reprieve that makes us feel better, we want to do it more. And 

Brad Minus: I think that is a significant point right there is finding if you're in this situation and you find that one thing that gives you that escape yeah, you better make a Judgment call on is that thing healthy?

We all need escapes, right? And it's hard, 

Joseph Drolshagen: you know, in that mode. I didn't care about healthy. I didn't care about the longevity of my life. So I just, I just wanted everything to quiet. You know, I have people ask me today, man, why are you so energized and excited and stuff like, why, how do you stay like that?

And I go, you know, why really? Because I was so miserable in my life. I didn't want to live. I didn't try to commit suicide, but I didn't want, I literally didn't want to live. I didn't want to have to live through all of that struggle and keep it going. I [00:13:00] didn't think I had a choice as much as I bucked against it with these programs and coaching and all this other stuff.

I didn't think I had a choice and today I get to live on that. So today the way I live and who I am today, it's unrealistic based on where I came from. That I would be doing the things that I would be even talking to you today, Brad, that I would be an ordained minister that got to give a talk to 350 ministers worldwide on prosperity, that I get to talk on stages in front of thousands of people and talk to them about how you identify and shift that negative bullshit, excuse my language, and start opening the doorway to the real possibilities and stepping into the power of God.

That we all have available to us. It's unrealistic. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. So in your thirties, you started to have some issues with alcohol. Is what you're telling me. Did you stay with that company? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Until I smashed a company car into a tree that kind of ended [00:14:00] a promising career.

Brad Minus: Did 

Joseph Drolshagen: you, and that had to happen. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Joseph Drolshagen: I went to the hospital. I have nothing major and stuff like that, but I went to the hospital and stuff and, and that had to happen because that was, and even that in itself wasn't really the full wake up call. It took another eight months after that before I finally what's called bottom and all of the things that happened to that point, all they did, they serve me so well.

People will talk about alcohol is the enemy. Drugs are the enemy foods, the enemy, things like that. Alcohol was one of my greatest friends. Because it humbled me to a point of really being willing to ask for help. I can't do this anymore. I can't live like this anymore. And that began a brand new start to life.

Brad Minus: Unfortunately, we don't know that at the time, right? So at the time it wasn't your partner, it makes you feel better. It wasn't your partner. It actually was a doubt. It was a downer, but it did [00:15:00] get you to the point for you to realize that, okay. I'm done with this. I need to go forward. So what happened in that eight months following the car accident?

Joseph Drolshagen: Well, like I said, I lost a job. I, ended up asking for help and started doing some things differently and being willing to listen to others and, you know, all the things you do when you're in a situation like that, but one of the things that really happened that was pivotal there is I stopped all the personal development stuff.

I stopped it completely and I walked away from it thinking, man, this stuff is all BS and doesn't work. And what that allowed me to do was go back into studying for myself. See, when I tell you like I would study things and self studies and books, I would take a book and read it all the way through.

And then I would read it again and create experiments out of the different sections of it and stuff that I would then practice to see what the outcomes were and things like that. So I've had a lot of growth, just, it didn't [00:16:00] align. With the results I was looking for, I've done a lot of things. So after that happened, I ended up coming out a different way, I guess, like, that was pivotal in that it, I mean, that was the bottom that's as bad as it got when that happened and everything that followed it and stuff.

I was, didn't work for a while and things like that. And then I was like, okay, I'm getting clarity ahead now from the alcohol. I haven't had any alcohol in the past 17 and a half years. So It's been working well. When I did, I started looking at stuff. A majority of my studies prior to that were the conscious mind, things like the secret, things like affirmations, positive thinking, you know, all of that stuff and everything.

And at one point I chucked all that stuff. I think before I started drinking, I just chucked all that stuff and said, man, this stuff, it doesn't work. And so when I came back in, I still had that passion inside of me. I didn't [00:17:00] want to have to live like my parents live. And now I'm in my upper, you know, mid thirties say, and I'm going forward.

And all of a sudden I started, I never realized back then that whenever they talk about mindset alignment or total mindset, that there's the conscious part, which had been my entire focus, but there's also a subconscious, that subconscious. Absorbs what the conscious mind is thinking and all that. And in our conscious mind is the knowing of what we want, right?

Our goals, our aspirations, our desires, visions, whatever you want to call them, come from the conscious mind. Well, that as I studied more and started understanding in that subconscious, there's what I call a motherboard. That hosts all of our programming, our patterns, our paradigms, our belief systems, experiences that we might not have even had, but somebody shared with us are embedded in that.

And then that's the voice we hear in our head, but it's also that motherboard is what triggers our brainwaves to the actions we take or don't [00:18:00] take. So, I can know exactly what I want in my conscious mind. But if I have my subconscious flooded with lack and negativity, and it's got to be hard and you know who you think we are, the Rockefellers, money doesn't grow on trees, that's what's playing through.

And as long as I have that lack mentality, my subconscious will not allow me to trigger, the brainwaves to take the actions that will lead in that what I want. It tries to keep us safe and secure in our comfort zone, ultimately. 

Brad Minus: Right. So I don't remember who called, who talked about this.

But there was something that's, you call it the motherboard. A lot of people call it the monkey. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Well, the monkey in our head. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. But that is the monkey that wants to keep you safe. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yes. 

Brad Minus: Right. It's protecting you. Yes.

But it's laden down with, like you said, patterns that we've seen done. And created for ourselves. Yes. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yes. They were modeled for us and we learned them and you know, like I tell people all the time, you know, our [00:19:00] parents, the people who raise us, they did the absolute best they could do for us.

You know, they love this the best way they knew how, but they didn't know these things. Right. They didn't know that they had gained them from their parents. And now they're planting those seeds in our minds. And they didn't know that they're just trying to help us. I remember growing up my mom and multiple of my teachers would tell me, you know, Joey, you, you know, some people are meant to work with their head and some people are meant to work with their hands and you're going to work with your hands, like your father.

So I went to school with that being my lot in life. Why the heck would I apply myself in school or think about a college or something like that? You know, I do have a college degree I'm the first child in my family to have a college degree I'm the first child in my family to to break way into white collar and to build up to a vice president of sales You know, I'm the first child in my family to break away from all then leave all of that to do what I do today resign from it to do what I do today it's unrealistic that I'm doing what I'm doing.

Cause once I understood that subconscious and then I got somebody that could help me start [00:20:00] identifying those things. Cause we can't pick them out ourselves for ourselves because we're so used to living that way. So as they started helping me find these things, as I started studying more and more on how you shift them and then the tools that the person that was coaching me had, all of a sudden I started shifting these things.

I didn't, you know, like there was tools I was following, but I could start telling him my results. All of a sudden, the same person. I did change the way I did things, but even some of that, I wasn't exactly sure what I was doing different, but I was just going about life differently. And all of a sudden I'm starting to get like more customers going in, more people I'm calling, I'm going, Hey, I'd really like to meet with you.

I work with so and so and they go, yeah, yeah, let's make an appointment. Come on in, you know, or I start getting a little more, more contracts than what I was getting business awards and things like that ended up. Maybe a year period, a little over a year's period. Now, all of a sudden, instead of getting contracts for 15, 20, even a hundred thousand dollars, I'm picking up contracts for $18 million year over year contracts.

I get the contract for [00:21:00] $22 million a year later from there and picking up another contract that the highest I've ever gotten was a five year multi-year, $25 million year over year contract, and instantly took an organization that took an organization from 50 million to a $75 million organization.

Brad Minus: Wow. 

Joseph Drolshagen: I didn't travel near the level I was traveling. 

Brad Minus: You found a way to work smarter, not harder. So, All right. So we wait, we need to dig into this just a little bit. So we got you, you've, you've, you've, been off the sauce for eight months, you've ditched all of the self development. So who, or what was the organization or who was the person that first started to help you start to realize this?

Joseph Drolshagen: When I had thrown everything away. And then I don't know what drove me to going back to that specifically the mindset. Like, I can't say there was something, maybe it's something I heard or overheard or maybe something from what I had read prior popped up and brought the, [00:22:00] so, but I was, I was just led to looking at total mindset.

Brad Minus: Right. But you had mentioned a coach or somebody. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. So once I started looking into it, once I started hearing about understanding the two parts of the mind, you know, the conscious and subconscious, once I started understanding more of the subconscious. I found somebody who worked with the subconscious.

I started reading books by like Joseph Murphy, the subconscious mind and things like that. And I jumped into anything I could find. I was truly, you know, passionate and driven within me. And so then I found somebody who would work that.

And then I worked with that person and they started helping me see the conditioning that was pulling me back from who I wanted to be. Okay. And as we did that, he had some tools. I've developed tools of my own that are now within the SMT method and stuff that work very quickly. And, and, and so it started building.

I had no idea I was going to be a [00:23:00] coach. I had no idea I was going to develop this SMT method and I had way no idea that it would have the impact on people's lives. Just incredible beyond anything I ever imagined. 

Brad Minus: Amazing. So what can you, can you identify the switch, just the one piece, that one thing that you did, or the one thing that you practice, or the one thing that you reconditioned yourself with that turned it from, you know, not being able to, you know, get me very many accounts to a point where you're starting to get these big giant 15 grand and then, and then a hundred grand, then a million dollars, and contracts.

Yeah. What was that one piece? 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. One of the quotes I love is it says successful people don't do certain things, successful people do things a certain way. And so some of the things I would come up with the coach, like, okay, so how do we do this? How do you do that with a lead and things like that?

And what I had to [00:24:00] find, and this is really ingrained throughout the entire SMT method is I had to find ways of doing things. That truly made me feel good. They weren't over exhaustion and things like that. So often we see these things and that's what a lot of the other programs were is they said, you do a, B and C and you're going to get D.

But I did a, B and C and never got D. So it helped me to start laying out what is my unique pathway to get to where I want to get to, because it's never going to be somebody else's. And so that's really what that coach helped me do is start finding ways of doing things that were aligned.

For me, they made me feel good to do. So I wanted to do it more often. They opened up my attraction factor. So the things I was doing started attracting other things into it, you know, people into it, things like that. When I talk somebody on the phone, I was no longer, can you please see me? Or not that I did that, but you know, like coming from a bagging kind of place, like, please let me set an appointment to, to that whole thing about like, I got something I'm really excited to share with you and so more people are saying yes, and it was just changes, but it was all over, you know?[00:25:00] 

Like to list out what they were, you know, but, and that's one of the things that I have built into the SMT is developing systems of accelerating habits that are unique to the individual we're doing. So if I work with realtors, for instance, I don't have that whole litany of things they have to do to be successful anymore.

I have them throw that away. And we start talking about what do you enjoy doing with business? Well, I enjoy closings. Okay. What do you, how do you enjoy, communicating and finding those people on this and that. And some people do a great example of this, Brad, you ever see somebody do a social media live.

And you can tell they're uncomfortable. They don't want to be there. 

Brad Minus: All I have to do is watch that for not very, no, it hurts to watch it. 

Joseph Drolshagen: It does me too. Yeah, that's awesome. You said that because I do too. I feel so bad for the person. Now you ever see somebody do a social media live and they're just their home.

They're in their wheelhouse, they're lit up, they're excited, and we watch much more, you know, the whole thing or much more of that one, right? That's [00:26:00] somebody who's in their alignment with doing it. That's something in their wheelhouse. So do that more often. So the person who, makes everybody uncomfortable who listens to it, you know, that person shouldn't be doing that.

But there is something that would light that person up. So it's understanding and figuring out those things. And as we start, identifying those limitations, that subconscious conditioning, that's no longer working, shifting that, it starts opening the doorway to find more of those areas that we enjoy doing.

It lights us up to do, opens up our attraction factor. And that's really the way the whole thing works. 

Brad Minus: That's interesting that you say that. I kind of do that with my clients. First of all, I always find out, what your circumstances? Are, do you've got kids?

So you've got to get them off to school, blah, blah, blah. So we can find timelines that work for them. That's kind of logistical, but then it's like, okay, When you're training for something, do you like to do short intervals followed by long rest breaks? Or do you like to do, long intervals with short rest breaks?

Or is it long intervals with a medium rest break? What makes you feel better? Do you feel like you need more [00:27:00] recovery in between or not? What makes you when you're done with the workout? What makes you feel successful at that workout? Yes. And then of course, then there's People that do triathlon and there's always one event they don't like right then it's finding then I've been finding I asked them questions And I says, okay, here's questions to to to ask yourself while you're in the midst of it That will and I don't want you to answer them.

I just want you to answer. So for one instance, I'm not the greatest swimmer and I'm not crazy about it. I don't mind it, but I'm not crazy about the swim. I love the bike in the run. I can do that all day, but the swim is sometimes hard for me.

But my question I keep asking myself is all right. What would this feel like if it was the smoothest swim in the world? I don't answer it. I'm just like, what would it feel like? And then all of a sudden I find myself slowing down, getting more water and the whole bit. So then I started thinking about, all right, well, how do I do that just in my own personal vision?

[00:28:00] Yeah. So for instance, the times that you've got some inside, you've got something going on in your head and you have insomnia, right? You just can't stop the brain. The monkey mind is going crazy. You're trying to work a problem and you can't seem to figure it.

I ask myself the same question. I'm like, all right, what would it feel like to be sleepy right now? What would it feel like to drop that out of my brain so I can now lay down, relax and sleep? What would that feel like before you know it? I'm out. Little things like that, but I can see where you're going with that.

Joseph Drolshagen: And anything we want to achieve, there are going to be times when we have to do something that might not be our favorite thing to do. Right. Of course. Like I'll give you a, for instance, for me, it's taxes every year. You know, I, I've used my. Council of my truck, my office here, my home office desk drawer and gather receipts.

And so every year come January, I got to pull all those receipts out and then sort them out by month and then sort them out. Whether they're fuel hotels, like all the meals, whatever it is, you know, and sort the whole thing out, it would take a long time to go through and do that. And every year come January, I'd be like, [00:29:00] no, I don't want to do it.

I don't want to do it. I get to the point a couple of years where I had to have my accountant move out. You know, my taxes, like, you know, send the information to, to move it out because I just couldn't get myself to do it. 

Brad Minus: And 

Joseph Drolshagen: then I came up with this thought of it. And I work with salespeople on the 10, 000 pound phone and insurance people 

and in every Avenue now there's availability is I go, I have to do this every year, I am embarrassed to hire somebody just because of how sloppy I am with it so I'm not doing, that's not an option. And so I, every year I would start picturing. Me hitting the send button when I send everything to the accountant and all of a sudden I do that the first year and it took me a long time to go through them.

And the second year I started collecting them and doing it a little bit differently. And now I'm at the point where I have an envelope for every month. So at the end of the month, I take all the receipts. I put them in order, whether it's fuel, meals, hotel, things like that and everything, and build them in.

And I put them in an envelope for that month. [00:30:00] And then at the end of the year, I take. The envelopes out and I do one month, the next month, the next month. It takes a fraction of the time it took, but even now I just look at that, the end game. And that's exactly what I do with people.

I'm coaching and stuff is I get them build up what I call a dynamic vision and there's roadmapping tools with the SMT method to do so. And then we get that vision. And what we do is we put that vision out and that becomes our reality. That's where we live from. So we live as that vision is our reality.

And then anything that happens in our situation and circumstances is what it looks like as a vision is unfolding. So instead of those situations or circumstances determining, there's no way we're going to do this or we can't do it or it's hard or they're just blips. 

Brad Minus: So you're reducing friction.

Joseph Drolshagen: Absolutely. You're taking away a lot of the stressors and yeah, the anxiety builders and things like that. And doing that because you know, when we're done building a dynamic vision, man, people would. It's a stretch. It's [00:31:00] not something like I tell people, if you know how you're going to achieve it, that's not a dynamic vision.

It's a goal. What we want to build is so big that when we get done with it, it's like, I have no idea how the hell I'm going to do this. But I'm on fire to do it. That's a dynamic vision. And when we build that up and then we start taking steps into it, we start moving, utilizing over from where we are to where we want to be and developing systems of accelerating habits that start bringing results quicker and things like that, man, that like people get on fire for it.

So it's not even like a push, like the programs I used to take a long time ago. It's just my experience. It used to feel like I was. Trudgingly going through those and overburdened with like all the work in it with this is exciting because as we as we understand more as we identify more of that and shift more of that we start opening up possibilities and we see that very rapidly showing up in our life 

Brad Minus: That is the extreme of what I [00:32:00] What I, what my messages, it's the, that you're talking about a full life dynamic vision, and I talk about a challenge, challenges that are above you that you can reach and have all those small goals.

Be on the way on the way there. Like I, I constantly mentioned my one friend who had, dropped 120 pounds, over a course of 18 months, because she decided that she was going to compete in an Ironman on the way she learned. What do I have to do to get up in the morning to do my workouts?

What do I need to eat to fuel my workouts? What do I need? So it wasn't about her, I need to lose weight, I need to get in shape. It was, what do I need to do to get on the start line and finish this big giant goal that I've got? And it sounds like, so I have, what you would call it, it's a dynamic vision to get up there.

Now, in my. to make money. I'm a project manager. I'm an I. T. Project manager. So that's what I do all day. It's like, okay, we're here. We need to get to here. And I got to build a road map [00:33:00] and a schedule and, and I use a team to find out what are the tasks that are going to get me there? What is my and, and, you know, and what is, what is my critical avenue to get there?

Right? What needs to be done? What can be done? And what are the risks for not finishing it? Right now. We want to be a little bit more optimistic on risks in our life, right? We know that they're there. There are things that we do need to plan for, but on the whole, when we're going after something, we tend not to think about that, which is fine.

But on the whole, but that's what I do, right? Is that, okay, you want to climb Mount Everest and you've never, you've never hiked before in your whole life. But we know that that's a, that's a, that is a life changing challenge that will, once you get to that summit. 

But how do we take someone that's never done that before and get there? We build like what you said, a dynamic vision to getting us there. For me, it's like I build you a project plan on what you're supposed to get there. Now there's a lot of mental stuff [00:34:00] that goes into that. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. And where I specialize is rapid business growth.

Like I've taken business owners from 7. 5 million to over 22 million in 12 months from, from 300, 000 revenue to over 3 million in revenue within 12 months. I work with salespeople that are in that middle rung and help them within the year. Achieve top performer status within their company. So I'm able to go into organizations and help entire sales team.

When you're typically sales teams are limited with a number of top performers, and then a majority of sales are in that middle rung. Now I think about switching that around in the majority of your sales team is in that top, you know, performer status, how much easier that business grows and how much more they can do and how they can expand so much quicker and stuff.

And it's all about. So when I'm looking at that, you know, I, I, like the dynamic vision covers, like you said, it covers all areas and there's roadmapping tools that help, you know, to build that and things like that. I work with my client doing it and, and because as a [00:35:00] salesperson to grow your revenues, ultimately, if you break it down, nobody wants to grow their level of money because then they have more money.

They want to live a better life. They want to be able to take their family on vacation. They want to be able to do healthy things in their life and things like that. So it's a really a dynamic vision. It's not just about building money. It has to include all those other reasons in it, into it of what does that look?

What does that life look like at 22 million, you know, dollars annual revenue versus 7. 5. And we start building that into it. And I'll tell you, it's so awesome. Like it. That the one company I helped go from 7. 5 to 22 million within 12 months. They've been maintaining it for over seven years now, that growth and during that year of growth was the only time of my client's life that she took five weeks of vacation in that same year while that growth happened.

Wow. And the stories go on and on with the testimonials and everything [00:36:00] else, you know, and it's beyond what I even expected, Brad, to be totally honest with you, I didn't think it would bring about the changes in people's lives that it has. 

Brad Minus: That's incredible. I just want to step back just a little bit.

So you got to that point where you shifted mindset and then you started bringing in big giant clients. And so how long did you end up staying in that fortune 500 company selling for that, for that company? 

Joseph Drolshagen: I ended up getting promoted to vice president of sales for that company. 

Brad Minus: How long did you stay in it? 

Joseph Drolshagen: It stepped out probably, nine years. Maybe 10 years in the organization. And then I went to an organization as a vice president of sales that was in bankruptcy and utilize the same exact tools. To help them get back into profitability within months. 

Brad Minus: So now you've got a track record.

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Yeah, 

Joseph Drolshagen: that's, 

Brad Minus: [00:37:00] so that was my next question and that's where I was leading to is like, all right, you spend 10 years there. Then you went to vice president of a company that was in bankruptcy, got them out of it. At what point did you say, okay, done working for other people and I'm going to go out on my own and I'm going to teach other companies how to do this.

Joseph Drolshagen: Once we found new owners, I said, I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore. I resigned. I've always wanted to live in the mountains. I was in Iowa at the time I left there, came down to South Carolina.

I live in the mountains now. I have a home in the mountains and I came down here, didn't know anybody and, you know, started, I have certifications, education, everything else into the coaching. I do have multiple of them, but I just came down here and started getting busy with meeting people and doing things and stuff, and I remember when I moved down here now, I was making a pretty good rate at.

As a vice president, and I remember them telling me, you don't have to stay here. You can go live wherever you want. You don't have to come back here all the time. We just want to keep you on staff. And I come down here. I found out, you know, about the chamber of [00:38:00] commerce, things like that. So I set up a meeting to go to the Greenville chamber of commerce.

And, I was going in there and at the same time, I was thinking about a couple of customers. For the bit for that corporation and I started feeling guilty and I just said you know what I'm not doing this I'm not serving two masters anymore So early on I had to do multiple things to try and make it and now I'm looking at going How freaking crazy is this that I can identify that and go?

No, that's not how I want to live and I actually have the choice to say that today And so I called him up and I said, listen, I appreciate, you know, you want to keep me on everything, but I can't serve two masters and I'm going to diversify within the works that I do from here forward. And that's what I've done.

Brad Minus: Wow. Okay. That's an excellent relevation. And that would actually be like the top for a lot of people that would be the top of the, dynamic vision [00:39:00] is I want that choice to work. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Wouldn't have known to put that choice in into my vision. But what happens is we start getting there.

And so here's one of the other things that's really powerful is all of the programs I had taken. That was one size fit all. You know, you do a B and C to get to D. They're all based on logic. They're all based on strategy and we're conditioned To be logical, we're conditioned, you know, when I tell some people about like their client from 7.

5, 22 million, they go, there's no way that's that's BS. There's no, and it's because they can't even perceive it because they live so logical. So we go through schooling, right? And it starts, it's building more of our conditioning within that subconscious. Because if you and I are a math class and we get a problem to solve, And let's say we're going through and solving it the way we're taught to and everything else.

And you find a shortcut, you find a way of coming up with that answer quicker. And it's consistent from problem to problem. You're not awarded or rewarded for that, right? You [00:40:00] actually lose marks because you didn't show the work the same way I showed the work. And we're conditioned. It's almost like robotic conditioning when you go into doing things into business and things like that.

And so one of the things that corporate did to me, that was not a service. Is it really helped me become much more of a logical thinker? That actually slowed my progress down. So when I'm working, you know, the clients that get the most, change, the quickest that I work with are like artists, musicians, things like that, because they don't have that logical, they're coming from their creative.

So whenever I'm working with somebody in corporate, it takes a little bit longer, cause I have to pull that back away. We have to break through the logic and start coming from a feeling tone of what we desire, what we want to experience, what things like that. And as we do that. All of a sudden things start showing up coincidences.

How many times have you built a plan to do something and the whole thing works out, but it's nothing like the plan. So many other things happen to bring you through that Avenue, but what the [00:41:00] logical mind will do is it'll keep us so busy strategizing, developing to do lists and this and that and everything else.

It pulls us away. From even seeing those opportunities that are flying by us all day long. So if we can slow down a little bit of that and come from the vision, instead, every single client, hundreds of clients that I've worked with over the past decade now, every person will tell you all of a sudden, it seemed like things started happening easier.

And it's because what it is ultimately, Brad, is we get outside of our logical mind and tap into a universal mind where more is available and avenues are available. And we stopped looking at how am I going to do all this, but we just build that dynamic vision of what it looks like when it's done.

And we focus on that and the how always shows up. 

Brad Minus: That's interesting. And I can almost give you an example. I was just thinking about that. So, I've been a contractor 20 some odd years, you know, so my resume kind of looks like I job hop, [00:42:00] but it's written in there.

This is a contract. It was a contract for a year. It was a contract for nine months. So whenever I'm filling out applications or whatever, and they say reason for leaving end of contract, you know, that's the way it was, but that gives me a of experience. So Everybody and their mother always said, okay, you should have a one page resume, maybe a two page resume.

Yeah. And I'm like, Well, wait a second. I think the first person to look at my resume is a resume scanner that needs keywords So my resume is like six pages long and people tell me how dare you? How dare you think that you should give people six pages for them to read?

Do you really think people are gonna look at that? You know what? I've never had anybody not look at it. So, and that's, so that's again, logical. 

And I'm like, no, I know that that first person to look at my resume is going to be a resume scanner looking for keywords. I need to load that thing with everything that I've done. Otherwise it won't pop up. 

Joseph Drolshagen: And that's, [00:43:00] and that's your unique Avenue doing six pages in the resume may not work for anybody else ever again.

Right. But finding what that is for them, that's exactly what this stuff is. And I imagine talking about what you do with coaching. It's very similar to that is you're doing uniqueness based on the uniqueness of the individual you're working at. And I'll tell you, our conditioning is so unique brand. I have four siblings.

Whenever we talk about the stories of our youth and growing up, or whether it be camping or whatever, there's five different stories, five different, different versions of that story, because we all have unique conditioning, so we perceived it a little bit different. 

Brad Minus: That's the telephone game all over again, right? 

Joseph Drolshagen: It is, 

Brad Minus: that's, yeah, that's nuts. So let's ask you a couple of questions about the SMT method and what that means and maybe just a 30, 000 foot view of what that is. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. The SMT method, its full name is subconscious mindset [00:44:00] training.

And it's all about identifying that limitations and the things within their subconscious and identifying those and then utilizing tools within the SMT to shift those. And start opening up, you know, other opportunities, bigger opportunities, bigger potential in our lives.

And as we do that, so the whole thing is set up. That's a starting point. And then what we're doing is we're bridging that gap from who we are now. To who we want to become as a result of that vision. And in doing so we're developing systems of accelerating habits.

We're shifting out patterns and putting new patterns in place that work specifically for the individual that's going through the process. It's not a, you hear a lot of these roadmap to success. I always laugh when I see those, we got your roadmap to success.

You don't even know my freaking name and you got my roadmap to success, so this is all based on and I tell people, I don't have your roadmap, but what I really freaking good at is helping you develop that vision and then moving into it and helping you as serving you and developing that roadmap that will [00:45:00] work for you in your current situation as well as any, other business endeavor that you take on.

That's the rest of your life. 

Brad Minus: That's amazing. Yeah, that is like, that's exactly. I mean, I do it in a lot more logical way, but that's like, okay, we sit down and we find out, all right, what is there? What is the, project?

We call it a project statement. And that statement would be not the dynamic vision, but the end game. Yes. What is this going to look like? And then we then further breaking it down from there. What do we need to come up with? What are the resources that we need? What are the risks involved?

Who are the people and what are the things that, what are the step ladders we need to get there? You come up with a dynamic vision, where they want to be, where they want to go, and then you find the critical path to get them there and the habits that they need. So that would be the tasks. That would be to get them to that final dynamic vision 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yes. And there is logic built into the SMT method. Of course. Pathway, though, allows and just like I'm [00:46:00] sure with you, every client you work with comes up against things they weren't expecting that just come as a result. That's what I'm talking about with those things there.

You know, you get them to that point, but even. Even the timeframe to get there. I imagine some people blow away the timeframe that you come up with with logic and some people need a little longer so that's what I mean, as far as having that maneuverability for it to be unique for the individual.

You know, every client I work with, at some point they face procrastination. They bump up against something they're uncomfortable with and they'd do anything in the world other to get around doing that one thing and they will busy themselves so much. I'm the guinea pig for all the works I do today.

So I know the tricks I can play up here to get me into procrastination and not do something I want to do, like my taxes, every single person who develops that vision, wants that vision. It's not them themselves that's blocking themselves from it and procrastinating because we all want, like yesterday, we're fast food people, right?

So we all want it as soon as possible. It's that there's something going on in that subconscious [00:47:00] conditioning. Pulling them away from doing that. And so I help them identify what that is, shift that and open up that doorway to experience that.

Brad Minus: That's exactly, exactly. So it's them wanting an escape, an escapism from something they feel is hard. Sounds like you're finding a way for that hard thing to become more satisfying, more, palatable. Something that's a little bit more palatable, a way to do it more palatable.

So they don't go into this escape, escapism and go through procrastination. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yes. You take salespeople that are petrified to pick up that phone and you start turning that into a game. And I went through that. I got to a point where I heard somebody knows it's like, I don't even want to do this anymore.

I was blocking myself and doing anything else I could do other than doing it and so, you know, the management at the time was saying, Joe, you got to make phone calls. You're in sales. That's what you do. You got to make phone calls, you got to reach out to people.

And so I just started playing a game where I would go for like five no's a day and I [00:48:00] started playing it. Eventually I'd move it to 10 no's a day, you know, and I would start calling people and I'd get no. And I'd check it off. No, check it off. No, check it off. Six more. Check it off, check it off.

And then I get somebody that goes, yeah, I'd like to meet with you. And I'd be like, Oh shit. That takes away one of my no's. 

Brad Minus: That is very interesting. Yeah. To check off the negatives. Wow. Okay. That's crazy. 

Joseph Drolshagen: I look for, you know, five no's or 10 no's, whatever it is, the number is, doesn't matter but I just go out looking for those.

Now, all of a sudden I'm more comfortable doing it. I don't feel like I have as much weight on my shoulders with every single call and every no, every no doesn't drag me down to a pit it's like, okay, cool. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Can I check back with you later? Blah, blah, blah.

And then move on and everything can fit like that. It's just our logical mind. We'll say we have to get it done. If we don't get it done, there's a price to pay for that. And our job and our survival and feeding our family and all this stuff is like the weight of all that stuff rather than being, okay, I got nos today.

That [00:49:00] was my blip in my situation today. I'll try again tomorrow and I'll try again tomorrow. 

Brad Minus: Some of this stuff is just resonating with me. So I'll give a little anecdote. I left school my sophomore year, basically because I didn't know what the heck I was doing there.

I wasn't learning anything and I had my guidance counselors and teachers that I really respected look at me in the eye and go, you're not learning. You're coming to class. You're going through the motions. Your grades aren't horrible. They're not great, but they're not horrible, but you're just not learning.

And I'm like, wow, that's an interesting thing. So I got a job like anybody was, and I found out, I got really excited because it was this, I'm just going to become a stockbroker series seven series 63 licensed stockbroker and I found this company that would take me on as a 20 year old kid, you know And these guys were making dollars, you know, I don't know if you ever saw the The movie boiler room with giovanni rubisi ben diesel 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah, yeah, yeah 

Brad Minus: And that was it, but that's exactly the place I worked.

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah, okay 

Brad Minus: Exactly the place I worked those guys were making big money. So I [00:50:00] was like, all right You 

Joseph Drolshagen: impressive. 

Brad Minus: Yeah, and I was, so I walked in there and spent, three months getting all my licenses and stuff. And then they said, okay, forget about everything. But I remember sitting there and listening to all these guys on the phone.

One guy was very, very, like, nonchalant. He's your best buddy. His name was Jeff. Jeff Schaefer. And he would be like, he'd get the guy on the phone. He'd get to the screener and he was like, Oh, Betty never met the girl before in her life. Betty, what's going on? Hey, let me talk to Jeff. Let me talk to John.

I just need to talk to him for a few minutes. Oh, you know, it's Jeff, from Chatfield Dean. Jeff he's she's like, huh? It's like come on. We've talked to him a hundred times before just let me have the phone Should she get him he'd get him to the phone to the phone. That's getting to the screener Then the guy gets home.

Yo, John. Hey, it's Jeff from Jeff Hilton. How you doing? Hey, how's the wife good? All right, that's great. I mean, hey, let me tell you what I'm calling, but it was very nonchalant Then we had the probably probably one of the best producers on in the thing and he would literally be like a machine He'd be like he he'd be on anything like hey this you [00:51:00] know And this is Andrew from Chatfield Dean.

If I find something in the market that might interest you, I'm going to call you back. Fair enough. Okay, great. I'm gonna have my, I'm gonna have my assistant send you a packet, and he's going to be on with you right now. He's going to grab your address and stuff. Okay, click them. Next person. Hey, this is Andrew from Chatfield Dean.

If I find something in the market, I'm gonna call you back with it. Okay, good. All right. I'm gonna have my, my, my, my assistant's gonna get around so you get your address and phone number. We're gonna send you a brochure right now. Bye, and he was like, so when you said things work for other people in the way that they worked, you know, this guy was numbers, numbers, numbers.

The other guy was like, no, no, no. I'm going to create a relationship. Yeah. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Some guys who were like the whiners and they almost get people to sign based on feeling bad 

Brad Minus: one guy was like, Oh man, Hey, listen, I'm, I'm just one, I'm, I'm, I'm 500 shares down. Just pick up these shares, you know?

And then you had these other guys that had like, Walls of steel, basically. And I heard this guy say it. He says, listen, we got to dig deep on this one. We got to dig deep. And they're like, no, no.

What do you mean? No, listen, I'll tell you what, put your hand between your legs. Do you feel [00:52:00] something there? Well, then we have a deal. 

Joseph Drolshagen: And so here's that, that's a great analogy, Brad, because, and that's what stands me apart from so many other business development, business growth type of programs and coaches and things like that out there is what so many people do is they take one of those ways of doing those and they'll teach everybody.

That's how you get success. Right. But it never works for most people. It might for a few, but it doesn't work for most people. What the SMT method and the way I coach, it's about, let's find your unique way of doing things. That's you, not me, not somebody else. It's you. 

Brad Minus: And I'm going to put that out to people to sit there and say, listen, if you don't have a coach, that is at least one part.

Asking about your life, your circumstances, what you go through and trying to create a plan for you and your circumstances, [00:53:00] maybe not as deep is what Joseph is talking about right now, but they should be at least asking you about what is going on.

What are your circumstances so that when they do create a plan for you or they create a program for you, they should be at least somewhat getting personal about it. But if somebody is, if you're going to a coach and they're giving you a generic plan and they're just saying, Oh, I have this plan. I'm just going to give it to you.

Don't waste your money. You need someone like Joseph, who will sit down with you, figure out what exactly makes you tick. And creates a plan specifically for you, not for everybody. So, like he said, if you're hearing about, this is the way you do it.

This is the way everybody's been doing it. This is the way that all my clients have been doing it. Step away. I would say that right now, step away. 

Joseph Drolshagen: And the one thing I would say that, cause you said maybe not as deep as I go, but you know what, it's, it's not really deep as you're doing it. All it's doing is bringing alignment because like I said, the conscious mind is your knowing of what you [00:54:00] want.

The subconscious is what triggered the brainwave. So that's the doing part. So all we're doing is aligning the knowing and the doing. We're closing that gap between them and what we do. And it's not, Trudgery. It's not hard. It's not things like that. We're coming from a vision with excitement, so it's exciting as we start opening up and achieving more and things like that.

It's not a fighting to get somewhere. It's an a journey of excitement in in the unfolding of 

Brad Minus: well, I'm glad that you corrected me on that then. No, that's okay. That's good. No, that makes. Yeah, it's the way that you made it sound to getting to the vision board. I just keep thinking of you're talking about your life.

You know what I mean? I just keep feeling like, we got to do figuring out these steps on how to get there. So first would be the first level. It'd be like 30, 000 foot level. And then you get to the 10, 000 foot level where you've got to, okay, what habits do we need to create?

To get us to that next level. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. That's all in the workings of it. And when I do a vision, a dynamic vision with somebody, I always look three to five years out, 

Brad Minus: right? 

Joseph Drolshagen: We look [00:55:00] at what we want our life to look like in a year from now, it's so tied to our situations and circumstances, 

Brad Minus: right?

Joseph Drolshagen: We're going to come up with a mediocre vision. At best, when we start looking out there, we know in three to five years, your whole life, everything in your life can change. It doesn't mean it needs to take three to five years to come to fruition. We look out there to widen the vision, to get a bigger vision.

And it's really the ultimate in there is what do you want your life to be like? What do you want it to be like health and wellbeing? What do you want it to be like with relationships, your vocation? Like, you know, what do you want your time, money, freedom, like availability and things like that to be.

And we tie that into what becomes a dynamic vision and there's road mapping tools and everything through it. So it really sparks some really exciting ideas. When people start realizing this is all I'm asking for, you know, this little bit, but I really want this. And I can ask for that. It's almost like that permission granted to start thinking bigger and start, possibilities and potentials.

Brad Minus: That is a great way [00:56:00] to end this segment. That's fantastic. You just kind of laid it all out. And I'm going to tell everybody that if you don't at least go to josephadroleshagan. com and take a look at this website and all his testimonials, then you're missing out. And he's got his programs are on there.

He's got great information on his blog. But definitely go check that out. I will have a link in the show notes. Again, Joseph, a draw shagun. com. And he has a coaching consulting group called I F G T coaching consulting, and that's directly tied to that URL. Go check it out.

You want to know what the IFTT stands 

Joseph Drolshagen: for Brad? Now remember, I started these works at 22 years old. And what I've been doing the last 10 years. The IFGT stands for it's fucking go time. Love it! Oh my God. Time to quit, you know, like living through that conditioning. It's time to change stuff and really launch forward in life.[00:57:00] 

Brad Minus: Wow. I love that. That's fantastic. Yes. Yeah. I'm all about that too. I'm like, let's go to the wall. Let's get this done. I'm like, let's get on the toe, the toe, the fricking start line and finish strong. And I am, yeah, I'm all about that. Fantastic. All right. Well, you heard it from here. You heard it from Joseph.

You've heard it from me. And, Joseph, thank you so much for, for parting your, your wisdom on us today. And, definitely again, go check out Joe, Joseph, a Joel shagan. com and Joe, check that out. I'm going to tell you, it's going to be worth your while. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah. And this has been an incredible conversation, Brad.

I really appreciate this. If anybody wants, I love talking to stuff. So if anybody decides that you want to talk more about this, you got something you want to run by me, where I might be able to help you, you can go to SMT method. com and schedule a time that we can talk.

Brad Minus: That's fantastic. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Yeah, I'm on all social media platforms. You can find me there. 

Brad Minus: Is there one more active than the other? 

Joseph Drolshagen: I would say probably LinkedIn, but really the one I follow closer is, [00:58:00] is probably Facebook. 

Brad Minus: Okay. So there you go. And I will put all of his, if you've been a LCC fan, Life-Changing Challengers fan, you'll know that I always put all of their, Links in the show notes for every single one of theirs, social media, and, all of their websites and everything, and then ways to contact them.

So go ahead and check that out in the show notes as well. Joseph, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And for all of you, if you would do us a favor, and if you're catching this on YouTube, give us a share and a like, and if you want to subscribe, if you're listening to this on Apple or, Spotify.

Go ahead and give us a nice review. Or you know what? Don't. Give us a bad review. So I know what I need to make changes on and that's fine too, so feedback is feedback. I don't care whether it's good or bad. But other than that, thank you so much.

And for the rest of you, we'll see you in the next one. 

Joseph Drolshagen: Thank you, Brad.