From Surviving to Thriving – Danielle Young on Overcoming Trauma and Reclaiming Strength

Brad Minus: And we're back with another episode of life changing challengers. I am extremely excited and honored and privileged to have Danielle Young with me today. She's a master life coach, a yoga teacher, an author and a speaker. She's got this amazing website, which we'll talk about later. Hey, Danielle, how you doing? 

Danielle Young: Hey, good. How are you? 

Brad Minus: I'm great. Thank you so much. Danielle, can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, like where you grew up? What was the compliment of your family? And what was it like to be Danielle as a kid?

Danielle Young: Yeah, so I grew up in a small town in northern Indiana. I'm sure you've probably heard of Notre Dame. 

Brad Minus: Yeah, 

Danielle Young: I grew up in Mishawaka, which is not too far from there. I grew up with a single mom.

We lived in the projects. So I, I'm an only child. 

Brad Minus: Yes, we are. And from the Midwest too, by the way. 

Danielle Young: Ah, nice. 

Brad Minus: So, so single mom. Yes. 

Danielle Young: My dad was in and out of my life until I was 6 and then he left, I was an only grandchild only child.

I only grandchild for 10 years. So my grandparents. Spoiled me, and growing up, I was always really awkward. I was very tall. I was the tallest in my class. I think I was probably a sophomore in high school when everybody started shooting past me, but, you know, being 5 9 when you're.

7th grade. I mean, it's yeah. So I got bullied a lot and, made fun of a lot and, I grew up in a community that, like I said, a small town. So, you know, working class. But you know, my mom and I had our challenges, but we had a good relationship.

I mean, I consider my mom, my first best friend, and her and I are still really, really close. I think we grew up together, she was 21 when she had me. So. 

Brad Minus: Did you partake in any, extracurricular activities? Was there something that you really love to do as a kid?

Danielle Young: Oh, yeah, I did a lot. Well, I was always really smart. And, you know, once I got in, there wasn't a whole lot to do in elementary school, I ran track in middle school. Yeah. I mean, I played a few sports, but, you know, I'm being from Indiana and being almost 6 foot tall, you know, they kind of force you to play basketball.

Brad Minus: Yeah, losers. 

Danielle Young: Yep. So that was me. 

Brad Minus: Are you good at it? 

Danielle Young: I was okay at it. I didn't, it wasn't my thing really. I like track. I loved running. 

Brad Minus: I didn't talk in my language. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, I was a runner until a few years ago when my knee just gave out. So no more, no more running for me. Which is unfortunate because that's my stress reliever.

So, God, what else? Yeah, I did. I was in drama. I did theater. You and 

Brad Minus: I did all this stuff. I mean, I didn't play basketball cause I was the shrimp, but, ran cross country and track I wasn't smart.

That was my downfall. I'm still not smart getting there though. I grew up in the Midwest. I grew up in the suburb of Chicago. I know Mr. Walker, because my aunt, uncle and my two cousins who were the closest thing that I had lived in South Bend. 

Danielle Young: Okay. Yep.

Brad Minus: Yeah. So, it was, you know, three, four times a year driving to South Bend and spending the night and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, in the whole bed. So I get it been around Indiana. I also was in drama and matter of fact, I actually, did some semi professional acting, later on in life too.

So I get it. I'm right there with you. I was a theater geek. I was a band geek. I guess I was just a geek. I coach cross country now and all the kids tell me that, most runners are geeks. And I was like, they're the smart kids and I do. I've got a kid that graduated last year that went to that now going to Yale.

Danielle Young: Oh, wow. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. So you played basketball and stuff in high school. 

Danielle Young: Mm hmm. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Junior high, 

Danielle Young: high school. Yeah. The usual Midwest. Thing, you know, and then, when I graduated from high school, I don't know how much more of my, my childhood you want me to talk about.

Brad Minus: Like 

Danielle Young: to be you, 

Brad Minus: you know? 

Danielle Young: So, right after high school was when I met my abuser. 

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Danielle Young: And 

Brad Minus: don't give him a name just so we can give him something. 

Danielle Young: I call him stupid. 

Brad Minus: We'll call him stupid. That sounds great.

Danielle Young: We call him stupid. 

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. And my life kind of took a turn there. I started college when I was in high school and when I met him, I was about halfway done through college and he did not. Like that. So I had to drop out of school. I ended up going back, but it wasn't until a few years later and I lived two and a half years with domestic violence and ended up with my daughter and, three weeks after she was born was when he tried to kill me.

Brad Minus: Oh my God. 

Danielle Young: And that's when I left and that was the beginning of my journey. 

Brad Minus: All right. So let's step back just a little bit and, really kind of want to get a feel for what you were going through when you just say abuser, right? Cause everybody, not everybody understands that probably a ton of people that don't.

So can you give me what was like, give me a, so first of all, he made you. If he didn't make you quit school, you felt like you had to leave. 

Danielle Young: He would show up on campus and, you know, if I was walking with someone or talking to someone, you know, he would throw a fit. He did not like, he was, he was very.

Jealous, very demanding, very, helicopter. Yeah, he, didn't like it when I would go out with my friends. I didn't like it when I would go to my family's. He was just very. Yeah, 

Brad Minus: it sounds like it was narcissistic? 

Danielle Young: I would not say he was narcissistic.

No. He was just a jerk. 

Brad Minus: Okay. Did he work? 

Danielle Young: Yeah. He had issues holding down jobs. You know, he liked to partake. And the herbal side of things and alcohol, so he couldn't pass a drug test, you know, was, was an alcoholic. 

Brad Minus: So you were going to school. 

Danielle Young: Yeah.

Brad Minus: So you went to school and you worked and lived with him? 

Danielle Young: Yes. We lived together. 

Brad Minus: What drove you to this person? I mean, two and a half years, a long time. And what were you telling me? I'm like, wow, you got it. Yeah. Yeah. You could have done so much better.

What happened that it just made you feel like this was the person for you? 

Danielle Young: An abandonment wound from my dad, for sure. I didn't date when I was in school. Nobody was ever interested in me. So I grew up feeling like I wasn't attractive that, you know, I was worthless. I had really low self esteem, you know, being made fun of and bullied my whole life.

It didn't help. And, you know, he showed he paid attention. He made me in the beginning. He made me feel seen. And that's what I was looking for. And, you know, it wasn't right away that the abuse started, but, I should have known better when he. Picked me up. We went to our first date.

He drove a car that you had to start with a screwdriver. So I should have known then to just cut my losses and run. But I didn't think about it. I was 18 and it was new. It was exciting. It was something that I'd never experienced before. I liked that there was someone who was actually paying attention to me.

So I fell for everything hook, line, and sinker. 

Brad Minus: Well, at that age, you weren't even out of high school yet, or you were in college, 

Danielle Young: yeah, I was tail end of high school. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Taco Bell. At that age, you're like, what can you afford at that point?

Well, he was 28 starting the school. He was 28 at the time. 

Danielle Young: He was 28. Yeah. I was 18. 

Brad Minus: Wow. Okay. But starting your car with a screwdriver that just about that would have been a thing for me. But Hey, but I get it.

I get it. I was bullied in high school too. My freshman and sophomore year and I put my foot down on somebody's neck my junior year and that was the end of that. It was for me, it was, it's just, I had enough. It was just like, at 1 point, I just had enough and some guy came by and he thought, because I was, I was always bullied, like, push down my books.

And I just said, okay, you should probably finish it now. And he's like, what? I'm like, no, no, no. Come on over here and finish it. Finish me. Now. Are you chicken? And that, you know, took a swung at me. I swung at him. He ended, he hit the ground. I put my foot on his neck and I said, don't you ever, that was it.

Everybody was around and no one ever said anything after that. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: And it was just, it literally was the bottle. It was bottling up everything. And it just got to the point where all the tears and the sleepless nights and all that stuff just, it just erupted and, and, you know, and at that point, that was it.

So, which I'm assuming got to the point for you. When you had your daughter and he tried to kill you, and you're just like, okay, this is it. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. That was, I tried to leave about seven times before that, and he stalked me, harassed me, threatened me. It was just, easier to be with him.

Because I felt like I could deal with being with him, but what I couldn't deal with is what he was putting me through not being with him. 

Brad Minus: Okay. I 

Danielle Young: mean, he was driving by my house all hours of the night. Call in the middle of the night, threatened to kill me, you know, all of this crap and, and it was like, okay, I might as well just go back.

And you know, a lot of people who've been through abusive relationships or are in abusive relationships do the same thing. You know, it is a pattern. 

Brad Minus: So was he physically abusive too? 

Danielle Young: Yes.

Brad Minus: And where was your mom in all this? 

Danielle Young: About a half a mile away. 

Brad Minus: And she just was powerless to do anything 

Danielle Young: she, you know, she would always have the talk like Danielle. This is, I don't like this. This isn't healthy. You've changed, you're not, you're not you anymore. Like, what's going on? She did not know the extent of what I was going through.

No, 1 did. I kept it hidden very well.

You know, not a smart move on my part, but I did not want to hear it from anybody. You know, I was 18. I wanted to live my life the way I wanted to live it. I was going through a rebellious phase, you know, I was at a high school. It was like, just let me live my life, you know, like every typical 18 year old.

Brad Minus: Yeah, I went through it with my niece. She turned on a dime. So, all right, before we kind of move on, I'm trying to think whether we should do it before or after, you got pregnant. Let's talk about the before. Leave me through a typical day of you with, you wake up in the morning and.

Danielle Young: Wake up in the morning. He'd be passed out on the couch from partying the night before. I would go to work or if I had the day off, I would be home. He would stay up all night, sleep. Most of the day. He did work nights, so I would just kind of do my thing and then, he would, get up and I'd have to make him something to eat.

He would go to work or he would go out with his friends depending on the day. 

Brad Minus: So he would go out with his friends, but you weren't allowed to go out with your friends? 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Was it only like when you went out with his friends and he ended up staying home?

Danielle Young: Oh, yeah, if he was gone, if he was out with his friends, I was supposed to be home when he got home. And if I, if he thought that I was out, I mean, I went to the movies one night with my best friend, came home with a bag of leftover popcorn and he, he called it a prop.

Said that I was lying about where I was that, you know, it was easy to get the bag of popcorn and use it as a prop. And, you know, I walked in to our apartment and our bedroom was just completely trashed. He took a knife and like slashed the mattress. He was like, broke things. Yeah. It was utter chaos.

And. You know, I'm just standing there looking at the room and in complete disbelief, like, wow, I, I just went to the movies, like, and because I was not home when he got home, that's what started it. And he had been drinking, you know, he was out on the lawn with his friends because his friends lived in the same building that we did and.

You know, he came in the bedroom and, and we just started fighting and, you know, he accused me of cheating and, you know, I, it was just, you know, yeah, it was ridiculous. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Wow. I'm really sorry you had to go through that because it's, it's just got to be the, the tension that you hold every single day and the only, you know, the only relief you get is when he's not in the house.

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: You 

Danielle Young: know, it was constantly that feeling of, I was walking on eggshells cause I never knew how he was going to react. I was always, you know, I had my guard up, um, if I said the wrong thing, did the wrong thing. I mean, it was, it was hell. I paid for it. So it was like walking around, like I was, I was an empty shell of, of myself.

I didn't know how to be. 

Brad Minus: And that's, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I, I interviewed somebody else that kind of went through it. It was, it was with the guy for a very, very long time. And it turned out that she ended up with an auto immune disease because of it. And even I was kind of shocked, I was like, well, that was because of this and she goes, yeah, because you're on edge and your endorphins and everything is going so on edge for so long, you just burn out.

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: And it becomes the natural state of things. Now that she's like you, she's in a wonderful relationship and she can't say enough about the guy. They're in love to all heck, but yet she's still living this issue.

Danielle Young: I have two autoimmune disorders from living and yeah. What happens is, you know, you're, and I have adrenal fatigue. Adrenal fatigue. 

Brad Minus: That's what I was looking for. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. Because when you're in that state for so long, I mean, your cortisol, your adrenaline, your norepinephrine just deplete and, you know, you're all of that is stored in your nervous system.

So. You know, our fight or flight response is supposed to be for like, you know, protecting us in the woods. If there's a bear coming, it's that rush of adrenaline. But when you're living in a situation like that, it's constant. And when you get out of it, you don't recognize the difference between a bear coming and, your everyday normal life.

You know, it's just, it's always on. 

Brad Minus: And that's the biggest thing that people need to learn about, right? That this state that you're in, while not only is it bad for you strictly just because you're in an abusive relationship and you can't seem to get out and people are like, oh, well, he's going to change and then he doesn't it's the fact that. You're literally making yourself sick. You don't realize it at the time, but you are literally making yourself sick and permanently sick. This isn't something that goes away. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, you're setting yourself up for a life of health problems. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. So, tell me about his reaction when you told him that you were pregnant.

Danielle Young: He was happy about it. Because that meant that I belong to him and that's what he said. I was on birth control and we did not know it at the time, but I can only take medications for three months at a time and then I have to get off because I start losing effectiveness.

That's how I got pregnant. And, I was in shock. He was happy about it. I eventually came to terms with, okay, this is what it is. But my entire pregnancy, he wasn't there. He was physically there, but never went to a doctor's appointment with me. 

Brad Minus: Because he didn't care about the kid.

He just cared that this locked you into him. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Or so he thought. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, and I think it really scared him. Because later on, like towards the end of my pregnancy, he was gone all the time. I mean, getting high and drinking more. I went into false labor twice. He showed up at the hospital.

It was like, oh, God, it was just, it was embarrassing. It was so embarrassing and humiliating. The nurses are all looking at him. My family was there. My mom and my grandparents were there. My grandma's looking at him like, what is wrong with you? And he's like, oh, I have allergies.

And I'm just sitting there like, Oh my God, I can't even believe this is my life right now. 

Brad Minus: So, I 

Danielle Young: mean, they knew, but they didn't really say much because they, you know, what could they say? I wasn't going to listen anyway. But then when she was born, I think that's when he really snapped and just couldn't handle it.

Brad Minus: Yeah. Cause that is so 

Danielle Young: three weeks, 

Brad Minus: three weeks.

Danielle Young: Yeah. I knew I was going to leave. I just didn't know when or how, you know, by that point, I thought, okay, I've been through enough, but given our past and what he did when I did leave him, it was like, okay, how do I leave? And protect myself and protect my daughter, you know, he knew where my mom lived.

He knew where my family lived. There was nowhere that I could go that he didn't know about. And that happened and I thought, okay, this is my out. And that's honestly what got me through that time was it needed to happen because that was the only way I could leave.

Brad Minus: So he tries to kill you. And did you just, I mean, does you just pick up your bags and said, screw it, I'm out. Did you have to wait till the next day and sneak out? 

Danielle Young: No, I left. 

Brad Minus: Right. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. So I, okay, here's the thing about that night. I don't remember a lot. I've pieced together quite a bit. I still have repressed memories come up every now and then, but there's still pieces missing.

I don't remember leaving. I remember showing it by my mom's. I remember I had my daughter. I had stuff with me and I had blood all over my shirt. I didn't know if it was mine. I didn't know if it was his. At that point, I didn't know. There is a huge gap between the last thing that I remember with him and showing up at my mom's.

We called the police, they did absolutely nothing. It was a joke. Cop came in and he was like, well, you know, you're lucky you made it out alive. 

Brad Minus: Wait a second. A cop comes in, sees you covered in blood. You don't know if it's yours. And he's just like, Oh, at least you made it out alive.

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Wow. Yeah. Does not bode well for small town cops there. 

Danielle Young: Yep. And I said, well, you're going to go arrest him. And he's like, Oh, I might go to a drive by. Thanks. 

Brad Minus: Is this the type of town where you knew this guy? Did you, like, know him and his family and all that?

Danielle Young: Didn't know him, but yes, I knew quite a few people on the police force. Yeah, I knew the sheriff. I went to school with his kid. Yeah, his mom was, you know, we're a mother for all of our field trips, 

Brad Minus: all right. 

Danielle Young: Not, 

Brad Minus: Right. So we call it blink town. Yep. Driving by your blink. You miss it. Right. 

Danielle Young: We had two stoplights instead of one. 

Brad Minus: Hey, you're coming up in the world. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: All right. Well, did you ever find out which one of your blood it was?

Danielle Young: I think it was both of ours. When I went the next day, my family, we all banded together and moved me out of the apartment and there was blood on the walls in the bedroom and it looked like he had like punched the wall. 

So, it was like, I don't know if he hit the wall and busted his knuckles. I don't remember. But yeah, that was really, it was really crazy to see. And then the aftermath, too. You know, things just thrown everywhere, broken things and, 

Brad Minus: you know. 

Danielle Young: Mom, my mom was there and she was just like, oh my god, Danielle, like I can't even.

Yeah, I think that was the first and only time that I, that she was like rendered speechless. 

Brad Minus: Wow. I mean, you were at a point 10 to 15 to a hundred times worse than what I went through, but it sounded like that was it. Like you finally just like, and let it go and said, Nope, Nope, Nope.

And now you mama bear, like mama bear comes out now. Right. Because now it's your daughter. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. We did go to court. He, I did get full custody cause he skipped the court date and, he was ordered to pay child support. I don't think I saw. We had to take a parenting class together like I have a domestic violence suit against this guy and you're making me take a parenting class with him.

This is a joke. Our judicial system is so messed up. And he got for the domestic violence. He got 26 weeks of anger management classes and a 25 fine. That's what my life was worth.

Brad Minus: No wonder you live in Arizona now. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: So you got away from it. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, he stopped me for two years after that. He eventually moved away. Thankfully, I went back to school. I put myself through college, with my daughter. I worked full time during the day, took night classes to care.

Her had my own place. Wow. 

Brad Minus: I, 

Danielle Young: know, I think it was pure determination and knowing that I was never going to go back to that place. The war to myself that I would never get into another relationship like that again, and I would never go back to that point, you know, I had a daughter now and I needed to set an example for her and I wanted more for my life.

I wanted better, you know, I had wanted to go to Yale or Harvard, become an attorney and, you know, I, that didn't happen. You know, that wasn't on my radar to be a mom, but I was and I loved my daughter. More than anything. And I just, I said, I'm doing this for you and that's all I got. 

Brad Minus: Where were you working? 

Danielle Young: So I had a couple of jobs. I was working at, a vocational services place. I was the receptionist and then part time I was working at retail. And then I was just going to school at night. 

Brad Minus: What did you end up with a degree in? 

Danielle Young: So that one was, I got a bachelor's of science in psychology and English with a minor in sociology.

Brad Minus: Wow. Okay. You didn't just go to school. You like took all the classes. 

Danielle Young: I wanted to go to law school. 

Brad Minus: Okay. That was 

Danielle Young: my goal. 

Brad Minus: And it, so what happened to that after you got done with school? 

Danielle Young: Yeah, so after that, I got into another relationship that just was not great. Got out of that and then swore off men for a while and said, I'm never going to be in another relationship.

I'm just going to be alone for the rest of my life. I didn't want it and I started working at a law firm and, our computers went out 1 day. We had to hire an it guy. We got a referral from, our accountant and it ended up, I ended up hiring my husband. Oh, yeah. It's so sweet. Yeah, talk to him on the phone and I'm like, yeah, he really seems like he knows what he's talking about.

That's what he's doing. And then he came in and. I was like, oh, it guys kind of cute and the office manager was like, I could set you up. So I'm like, no. No, please. No, I'm, I don't want to do that. And she's like, no, you should, I'll find out if he's single. I'm like, I don't care if he's single, but she was determined to invite us over for dinner and the rest is history.

Brad Minus: All right. I'm telling you right now, before someone listens to this and steals it, you need to write the script, exactly what happened and submit it to Hallmark because this is a Hallmark TV movie of the week. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Millions on it, but you're going to make a few hundred thousand that you could sell it to them at least, you know, maybe you could pay for, you could pay for one of your kids, or both their colleges, you know, but that is.

Well, I mean, you're going to have to do a little bit more fluffing at the end, but, but that is, I mean, just, just for you to go through all this. You can feel the tension in the character and she's going through all this and she's getting and she's getting abused. And I mean, I'm not making light of it.

I'm not like, I'm trying to. Actually turn it into something positive. And you've got the child and the child's born and she's beautiful. And you finally say that's enough and you go home and your mom, and then you go back and see the whole thing. And then you're trying to get away from him.

And then finally he leaves. And there it is, and you could literally, like, he shows up and twinkle in each of your eye and you look at each other from a distance and the credits come down. 

Danielle Young: Well, you know, I would have to move to an even smaller town, you know, and then that's where I would be. It would have to be like a, I don't know, you would have to have another, no, I guess he could still be an IT guy.

Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Hey, don't knock us it guys. We're good. No, I'm not, I'm not hands on. I haven't been a hands on for a long time. But, but no, see, see, we turned this positive. Not that you already have it. Cause you have, you've turned this into a huge, so, all right. So you got this psychology. You're you're, you're at this law firm.

How long until you've decided to take what you have learned and your experiences and broaden yourself out 

Danielle Young: years, 

Brad Minus: years, 

Danielle Young: years. I started off with yoga. 

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Danielle Young: I worked at the vocational place that I worked before I met my now husband. I had a coworker. She asked me, she said, you know, have you ever tried yoga?

I'm like, I live in a rinky dink town. No, we don't have yoga. She's like, no, no, no. I have a VHS tape. That's how long ago this was. And she said, I'll loan it to you and I want you to take it and I want you to watch it. I want you to do it. I'm like, all right. So she brought me in the tape and I took it home and I'm watching this and I'm like, this just feels so awkward and silly that I don't know if I can do this.

So I made myself do it one night and it was like a switch had just been flipped, you know, there I am. I even bought a yoga mat and. I'm sitting on the yoga mat and I, I'd finished the video like, wow, I can breathe. I did not know that I was not really, I was surface breathing. I wasn't actually really like deep breathing.

And then I thought that's, I, I don't remember the last time I actually took a deep breath and I felt so at peace. And I'm like, wow, that's what this is supposed to feel like. So then I started doing it more and I wore out the tape and I told her, I was like, you're never getting your tape back. And then I found more DVDs of yoga and I just started doing those eventually when I, moved out to Arizona, we have yoga studios out here.

So I started doing like in person yoga and yeah, that was really how it all started. And then, I became a yoga teacher back in 2018, 2019. 

Brad Minus: Wow. So you were doing it so much that you're just like, well, I gotta show other people how to do this. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. I knew that it was helping me and I started it as a, like a body positivity thing.

And I thought, you know, I don't look like. The yoga journal yogis, you know, I don't look like I should be on the cover of that, or, you know, I don't fit that profile. Almost six foot tall. I'm not a small person. And I really wanted it to be more about, you don't have to be a contortionist to do yoga.

You just have to be able to breathe. Because for me, that was the most important thing. You can put your body into any position, but that's not what it's about. It's about, Syncing your body and your breath and just being present in that moment with yourself. That's really all it's about. There are 8 limbs of yoga and people only concentrate on 1 and that's asana, which is the movement and I thought I need to get this message out because people are getting the wrong idea and this could be a game changer for some people.

And, you know, yoga has been shown to help with overcoming trauma, you know, just that gentle movement, because trauma is stored in the body. So that gentle movement just kind of moves it out, helps you with, you know, rewiring everything. It brings you back into that parasympathetic state, which is your rest and digest.

You know, it's there's so many benefits to it and that's why I did it because I thought this is a message. I need to share.

Brad Minus: I get it. I get it. I, started a fitness journey and I hate that I'd come out of the military and I was in good shape and then I started working and I was a workaholic and went to the doctor, got blood tests and she basically said, what's going on?

You usually are always in really good shape and now your target sites are up, your cholesterol is up, all these things. And so I started going to a bootcamp class at a gym. And obviously to me, it was like, okay, I'm going home to bootcamp class while I was there. One of the girls was like, Hey, you should come and try this.

This hot yoga class because you've been doing all this other stuff during the week. This would be great for you to, you know, and I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm not doing that yoga stuff. Woo woo. And, I think she bet me something. She was like that. Oh, well, you, you went last more than a half hour in there and it was 90 minutes.

And I'm like, oh my God. And I'm so embarrassed because like I got, I've got no flexibility. Nothing. But no one cares. Everybody's in their own thing, and I saw that like it was within the first three poses. I realized that no one else is looking around but me.

Everybody else is just into themselves. And I'm like, well, they're not gonna look at me. I'm looking with them either. So, and yeah, by the end of the class, I mean, drenched in sweat, completely contortioned. Everything just moved easier, everything drove home easier. Getting in the shower was easier.

Sleeping was everything was easier. So then that's what it ended up. My Sundays was my Sunday at noon was my Bikram class. 12 to 12 to 1 3026 poses twice 90 minutes and 90 degree heat. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, 

Brad Minus: it was awesome. 

Danielle Young: Oh, yeah. Hot yoga is very difficult. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Danielle Young: Especially for a 90 minute class, usually they're like 60, 60, 70 minutes.

So 90 minutes. Wow. That's tough. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Well, you know, cause Bikram, I mean, that was the one thing about before he got into all the trouble, but that was the thing, right? That was his, that was his modus operandi. That was the class. Was 90 minutes, 26 poses twice and, you know, meditation and not in heat, you know, in 90 degree heat, which I think was always higher than 90.

And, you know, and that was the prescription. It was like. CrossFit RX, right? You've heard that, right, Kyra? Yeah, so it's the prescribed. That was his prescription. And then when he got, when, when, when he got accused of sexual harassment. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you know, people are like, Oh, I'm not doing Bikram.

So they decided to do other things that were like Bikram. And they started calling it Hot Flow and moving on from there. So that's when they started doing 60 minutes. And I took a 60 minute Hot Flow class once. And I was like, Oh, okay, this is kind of like it. But I missed the actual prescription, because after a while, after you do it week, after week, everything started to get easier, you know, you actually look forward to it.

You knew what the flow was and everything just started to rock and roll, you know, a little bit, but then all of a sudden you go to a different class and all of a sudden there's new poses. New things to do and you're like, I don't like this as much, but that's just me. 

I'm an endurance athlete and endurance coach. So I like to do the same thing a lot for a long time. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, which would explain why you like the 90 minute hot yoga. Right? 

Brad Minus: Exactly. So, you took the yoga class and then you decided, did you go right into teaching.

You're also pretty good at being into meditation. Did you pick that up in the way? To yoga, yoga, teaching side, or was that something you've added afterwards 

Danielle Young: so meditation started. I had a friend who really introduced me to meditation and that's when I started it and I thought, well, this is really helpful, but, you know, when I had come out of the abuse, I couldn't meditate. I could not sit and close my eyes. It just, it wasn't possible. So, it did take me quite a few years to be able to actually sit and close my eyes and feel like I could keep them closed. I mean, I would sit in my room up against a wall in between, like, and I still do honestly, that's my little meditation spot 

between my bed and then in a nightstand, like, I'm, you know, I had and I'm against a wall because that's just kind of where I feel the most comfortable and grounded. So she introduced me to meditation and, you know, that's been an ongoing thing. I actually just got, I got into transcendental meditation about 3 years ago or now, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, I guess.

I heard an interview with David Lynch and, you know, I love him and, he was talking about the benefits of Transcendental Meditation. I thought, Oh, I have to try this. And I found a center close to, to me and went there, learned about it and started practicing it. And that was a game changer for me. I mean, that it just made me feel even calmer and I thought, okay, this is good.

Brad Minus: Can you explain what's the difference between transcendental and traditional meditation? So you can call it traditional. I know there's nothing tradition because it's, you know, it's depending on what you're looking for and what kind of, but I know there's a, you know, there's a bunch of difference, but transcendental is a whole other like branch.

Danielle Young: So transcendental meditation is 20 minutes, twice a day. And you're given a word, so you actually have to go and take a class and you have to meet with, like a meditation master and they give you your word and it goes by your age. So, depending on how old you are, is like, what your word is and that's the word that you use permanently.

They don't it doesn't change with. When you're sitting in the meditation, you are repeating that word in your head over and over and over again, and you almost go into like a trance for me, it was a noise remover, you know, because when I do like, quote, unquote, regular meditation, I, I will think about everything and I can't focus 

Brad Minus: monkey mind.

Danielle Young: Yeah, for sure. And with transcendental meditation, it's like, shuts off. I go into my word and then. I'll notice I'm not even saying my word. I'm just Zen and then, you know, that the timer goes off and I'm like, oh, man, I don't want to come out of it. I like the Zen.

So, for me, that was really and, you know, if I don't have 20 minutes, I'll do just a quick. Sit and just kind of breathe. And now I'm better about focusing on my breath and like regular meditation, but I prefer transcendental meditation. 

Brad Minus: That's not bad. So the difference was, you are, literally able to quiet your mind.

As far as, traditional meditation, as far as what I've heard about that is the fact that meditation. It's okay for you to have those thoughts and let them come because when I first started looking to Zen meditation, it was like, well, you count your breaths, you breathe in, breathe out, you count.

And that was a way to just focus on your breasts to get rid of monkey mind. And then later on, I was told that, okay. It's okay. Let them come. Let those thoughts go through. Don't try to hold them back. If you try to hold them back, then that's what's going to cause them to come up more fast and furious.

But just let yourself think of it while you're meditation. And you got all that stuff go. So you meditate and it falls out of the faucet. Now you got nothing left. Now you can go to bed or you're clear for the next for your next task. 

Danielle Young: It's like a subconscious cleaning. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Well, that is that's super cool. So you got into meditation. You got into yoga. Somewhere down the line, something happened to where you flip the switch and decided that. Your, your experience, the yoga, the meditation, there's another purpose in there.

There's got to be something, what, what hits you over the head to say, Hey, I got all this experience and now I've got, now I could teach this stuff. How can I help people? What, what hit, you know, what made you decide that I need to use this 

Danielle Young: For the yoga 

Brad Minus: for your whole, you've to move on a whole freaking, yeah.

You got, now you're a life coach. You're a ma like I said, master life coach. Yeah. Yoga teacher. You know, 

Danielle Young: I like learning. So what happened after that was I, started working with a health coach. And she noticed, she's like, you still have quite a bit of, hesitation reservation about things like, cause she was really trying to push me, get out there, like do the yoga and, get online and do all this stuff.

And I'm like, I don't think I can. Cause this was right at the beginning of the pandemic. And so we're all locked in our houses and she was like, get online to, do virtual classes and I just had so much resistance to it. And she's like, all right, here, I'm going to tell you what to do.

I'm going to give you the name of someone who does self inquiry. I want you to make an appointment with her. And I want you to do a session with her and clear some of this crap up. So I said, okay, so I called her, made an appointment, went to my first session. And my very first session was actually on stupid because I was living in fear.

So I moved to Arizona, from Indiana to hide. I did not want him to find me. I did not want him to find my daughter. And I thought I can't put myself out there because what if he sees me? What if he knows where I am? You know, what if he comes looking for me? I mean, we got a German shepherd that dog went with me everywhere.

I mean, he was, you know, that was my safety was staying hidden. And my 1st session was on him and why I was so afraid to. Not only be seen, but to move on and I thought, I thought I've already worked through most of this, like, this, where is all of this coming from? 

This is so dumb. Like, he doesn't, he doesn't care about me anymore. It's been 20 years. You know, he, he doesn't, he probably doesn't even remember my name. He probably doesn't even have the Internet. You know, it's like, it just seemed so unreasonable to me. That appointment was so liberating and that was just one appointment.

So I started making appointments to do the self inquiry. And finally, I told my health coach, I was like, I can't afford both of you. So she was like, no, I, you need to do the self inquiry. Like, I get it. I lose so many of my clients to this, you know, and I get it. You need it. So I started doing the self inquiry and, the lady that did it opened up a mentorship and mentorship program.

So I studied a year under her with a small group of people and actually became, and she studied with Byron Katie, who is the founder of, it's called the work, which is self inquiry. So she actually knows Byron Katie and studied with her. And, you know, so I studied with my coach and I became certified in self inquiry because I thought this is life changing.

This is transformative. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. 

Danielle Young: Know, one session, I mean, so much, and it's like every client that I've worked with has come out of a session and they're like, well, how does, how, how, like, how does this work? It's like voodoo, like, yeah, it's good. It's, you know, it, it starts off with a negative thought and.

You know, we challenge it against a whole bunch of questions. And then at the end, you know, we even go through a childhood experience. Like, where did this 1st start? So we get to the bottom of it and then we turn it around and we start to see life without that thought and then at the end we, you know, see it from different perspectives.

And oh, my God, I can't even believe that I thought that once. And it just kind of, kind of goes away. It's awesome. 

Brad Minus: Wow. So I started doing that. I am totally intrigued about that. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Intrigued. 

Danielle Young: An amazing modality and I do use it with clients.

It's nice. 

Brad Minus: That is incredible. So, at that point, you just started to take on clients because now you're certified in self inquiry. And 

Danielle Young: yeah, so I started a company. And I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I wanted to do kind of a combination between yoga and self inquiry.

And, a friend of mine that was in the mentorship program with me. She's like, you would make a really awesome life coach. Like, I would totally hire you to be my life coach and I thought about it at that point. I'm like, well, I have, you know, the psychology, like, why not? You know, I'm not doing anything with that.

So, I enrolled in a life coaching course and, you know, took the, first level and then took the second level and, you know, became master certified and then I rebranded and now I. Do this. Nice. 

Brad Minus: All right. 

Danielle Young: All right. Along the way. I also got yoga, Nidra certified. 

Brad Minus: Cool. Yeah. So yeah, you're killing it.

Inspired action wellness. Yes. I like that title. That's outstanding. Inspired action. That is like that. Like it's just that, that again, that gets, that gets me going. Just like, so the name of my coaching company is called inner fire endurance sports. 

Danielle Young: Ooh, I like that. 

Brad Minus: So that's just my coaching company. And I help people, do marathons and step outside their comfort zone, like way out of the comfort zone. I've got people that, did marathons that, you know, never ran before. The case study that is my message to everybody, which is basically go out and do something hard and you'll find that everything else gets easier. Let's step outside, way outside, do something so outside of your comfort zone. It doesn't have to be physical, but I tend to lean that way because that's what I do, right?

Yeah. So, you know, my thing was, you know, I had a friend slash kind of a client. I helped her. She was 250 pounds at a five with a five, one frame. 

Danielle Young: Oh, wow. 

Brad Minus: And 18 months later she did her first Iron Man. Triathlon, which is 2. 4 mile swim to, 112 mile bike and a marathon.

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: And she did it and she was 120 pounds. 

Danielle Young: Wow. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. But instead of like, cause she had done, you know, she had kind of started with, all right, well, I'll. Do some cardio and learn to diet and all that stuff. But instead she decided to, no, no, no, no. I'm going to get on the start line of this fricking iron man.

And then she just learned how to do, she took, got the, you know, learned how to feed herself, you know, for her workouts. So everything was towards to get to that level instead of, and so she learned, she took off the weight, she got fit. She, you know, learned about diet and exercise the right way for what she was doing, on the way, instead of that being the actual goal.

And that's my big message to everybody, is to, you need to get something done, you want to step out of your life, you want to find that next level, and you're Do something super hard way outside your comfort zone and that for a lot of people that's like, you know Do you know sometimes it's a half marathon is like something that's way out of their comfort zone Way out of the you know way out there But it can also be something it could also be something like for me is like hey you have a you've got a regular job There's no reason for it, but give yourself a time limit, you know Learn Cantonese.

That could be something that's way out of your comfort zone, got nothing to do with anything that you do, but you set yourself and your goal and you're all of your passion and desire on. All right, I'm going to learn Cantonese and that's another thing that you could do. It doesn't have to be something physical.

I can't help you learn Cantonese. But, but basically that's what I'm saying is something like way out, but I've got, you know, people that those stories range from, you know, people that were, I got people that in your situation that like, what was in your situation and, you know, didn't have the, didn't have the fortitude to help other people, but to get over it instead of.

You know, so obviously they all need therapy, therapy and stuff, but one of them climbed Mount Everest. Hmm. Wow. You know, and said, well, no, I'm going to do this. Well, let me tell you something. If you can sit there and say, I've been through a traumatic relationship that brought me down to nothing, but I climbed Mount Everest.

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: There's nothing in the middle that you can't do. And that's what I say to other people, you know, I'm like, I did an Ironman. What can't I do? I ran a half marathon and never ran a step in my life. What can't I do? 

I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane at 30, 000 feet. What can't I do? So that's my message. That's what I personally am striving for people to do. You are amazing because you coach people into becoming the best person they can be in the present moment. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, my big motto is do not drop anchor in victimhood.

It's not serving you. It's not serving anyone around you. It's not serving your family. It's not serving your friends. It's not serving your relationships. It's not serving your money. It's not serving anything, you know, and there is. There's something that you can't do and your past doesn't define you.

What happened to you was not your responsibility. How you move forward from it is and. You know, I've already said, you know, if you stay in that, you are hurting yourself physically and mentally. I mean, you are rewiring your neural system is what you're doing and, you know, by taking those big leaps by stepping out and, you know, and I even just say small, small actions because, you know, for something, someone coming out of trauma, taking a big leap, it's not going to happen.

So it's just, you know, it's the little small actions where you build up that self confidence and it's like, okay. So today I made my bed and, maybe tomorrow I'm going to, do something else and, it's like working up to those big things and, an ego tries to keep us safe.

You know, we're always trying to overcome our ego. So, my big message there is don't stay stuck. There's so much life out there to experience. Go experience it 

Brad Minus: and just to clarify the woman that I said that was in your situation ended up, it wasn't, it wasn't like, it was more like what you said, it was small steps until she just got to the point where it was a small step to where she finally said, I'm tired of living in victimhood and that was, you know, it was the goal, but you know, it's not, and it is small steps.

Cause like I said, this woman who, was 250 pounds, it was 18 months of training. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. 

Brad Minus: Was small, small steps, learn to run, learn to smart, learn to bike, little little tiny, less races up to that point, small steps up. So it. You know, by any chance, it wasn't like, okay, just take the leap and go, Oh yeah, I'm just going to get on the beach and do this.

Ironman. No, it wasn't like that. It was these small steps, you know, which held takeoffs away. It was the small steps that you, just like you said, made the bed, blah, blah, blah. And just, I think was taking all those small steps, but still, I think that's what she realized when she decided to, for this big goal.

Was I don't want to stick in victimhood and I need to do something to break myself out. That was just her avenue. That's not, it's not typical. It's not typical, which is why this, I have this, I have this podcast. You're not typical. You got out of your relationship. And you became a master life coach and your small steps were yoga, meditation, become a teacher, you know what I mean?

You did your thing, but no one does that. Some, a lot of other people are just going to be sitting in therapy for the rest of their lives. Not that therapy is a bad thing. It's good, but you're uncommon. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, therapy is good as a supplement, but if you have been through trauma, therapy is not going to help you get over the trauma.

Trauma is stored in the body. It's not stored in the language centers of our brain. So, talking about it isn't going to move it. Because you can talk about it all day long, but until you start taking action to move it out and to get your body into that parasympathetic states and to do that somatic, rewiring, it's always going to stay stuck.

Brad Minus: That is a great message right there. Trauma is stored in the body. 

Danielle Young: Yes, it is stored in your cells. 

Brad Minus: So you're going through something like this that just know that.

Danielle's way of moving is yoga meditation. She's got her own coaching group at inspiredactionwellness. com. On my side, there's, learn to run, you start out with a five K move to a 10 K and you move, it out of the body.

Supplement with talking about it and getting that part out. One way is not going to get it out. So, 

Danielle Young: and healing from trauma is not a one size fits all solution either. You know, I mean, it took, so just to clarify, it's taking me 25 years to get to this point.

You know, this did not happen overnight. And I think the misconception with healing is people think it's just going to happen if you leave a toxic relationship or if you leave, you know, a situation. No, it, it, it's a journey. It's going to be ups and downs. And, you know, Things are going to come up, you know, it's not going to be easy, but it doesn't have to be difficult.

If you find the right things that work for you. And that's why the 1st, 6 weeks of my 1 on 1 coaching program is balancing your nervous system because you can't function. You can't heal unless that is balanced because then you're coming to a place of rationality and you can work through things where you're not so hyper vigilant all the time.

So we do a lot with, you know, what is your trigger? Like, what are your triggers? And that's a little bit later in the program, it's so key that we move it out and we learn how to emotionally regulate because that's what triggers are.

They're triggers that remind us what still needs to be healed. 

Brad Minus: That's so interesting. Can you give us a 10, 000 foot view of those steps? So, like, your 1st step, you said was balance, right?

Balance and system. So can you give us like a set of steps that you would take somebody through that? That really high level? I don't want you to give away the, I don't want you to give away the milk. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, no, really high level. I mean, and my program is completely personalized. So I, I don't have a 1 size fits all program because it's going to look different for everybody.

But basically, if somebody's coming to me and they've been through a traumatic event, I'll just use this as an example. We do the nervous system balancing 1st. And then we go through getting rid of limiting beliefs, working on self esteem, self confidence, setting boundaries. Those are huge. And then we move on to, you know, what does that look like in the real world?

You know, how do I integrate this in my everyday life? And it's really about emotional balance when things, when life happens, your life can be pretty random. So when things happen to you, you're not shutting down, you're not getting so overwhelmed. You have the tools in your toolbox now to deal with whatever life throws at you.

And it's a three month program. So by the end of this, you're armed with some tools and you can. Go forward and you say, okay, I have this, what works, what doesn't work, what can I use for this? I mean, it's a pretty comprehensive program. 

Brad Minus: That's perfect.

That's exactly what I was looking for, actually. So yeah, about every, all those little steps that you take. And then to know the fact that if you get coached by Danielle, that she's going to make sure that your program is catered to you, it's customized to you. And I do the same thing with my people, not everybody can learn to run or do the same.

I've got some people that can, that I can, that do better with volume, you know, a lot of running at a slower pace, but I've got other people that do better if I speed them up, but they can't take all that volume. You know what I mean? So I have the same, same thing, right? Much to it's, you know, obviously more at the physical level.

But no, but yeah, so if you're listening to this and you've kind of been through, you know, a trauma, you should probably be feeling like you're inspired right now to take action on your wellness, inspired action, wellness. com that is the, that is the website you need to go to also, it looks like it's coming soon.

You can reserve your copy today of Daniel's book called From Surviving to Thriving, a journey beyond trauma. And I'm looking at the mock up of the cover. It's a pretty gorgeous looking book too. Thank you. No, it's enticing. I really, I'm like, I'm looking at that.

I would, if I was in a bookstore and I came across this book, I would want to pick it up and look. Oh 

Danielle Young: yeah. 

Brad Minus: You got that 

Danielle Young: so if you look at the book cover, it is a tiger's face in the shape of a butterfly. That is my actual tattoo. The juxtaposition of the tiger and the butterfly has so much meaning for me that I put it on the book cover.

Brad Minus: Do you talk about it in the book? 

Danielle Young: The tattoo? No, but the book is, so it's, it's sort of a roadmap. It's my story intertwined with a road map of if you are in an abusive relationship, how to get out the steps that you can take to rebuild after the things that I did, there's also going to be an electronic resource page that will go with the book.

You can get it. It's gonna have some meditations affirmations, some yoga poses and breathing activities. You know, a whole host of things that I talk about in the book. There's a meditation in there that I will have an audio recording of. Let's see what else is in there. And then there's a total reference guide.

There's like a complete reference guide at the back of the book. Just different references for women. If, you know, if you need interviewing skills, or if you need financial help, or, you know, if you have pets and you need, you know, pet resources and resources for children and things like that.

Brad Minus: Do you have a estimated ballpark release date it'll be March. All right. 

Danielle Young: I don't have a pinpointed date yet, but yeah, it will be probably towards the end of March. 

Brad Minus: That's fantastic. 

Danielle Young: I'm super excited. 

Brad Minus: Yeah. Now, I imagine, are you going to, you can release it on ebook to Amazon? Yes. 

Danielle Young: Yeah. Okay. So what's happening right now is I'm doing like a pre order. So, anybody who pre orders, you can get it hardback or paperback.

The book will come signed from me and I also designed a bookmark that will come with it. You'll get access to the resource page. And then once the pre sales over the book is released on Amazon, you won't get that stuff, but you'll still have access to the resource page because it's actually in the book.

Brad Minus: Right? So, my mother in law, wrote a bunch of books. She wrote this fantasy book and ended up having, she made up her own language. Trollish. And she had a lossery in the, back of the book. Well, if you have it on electronic, you know how hard that is to go back and get to the thing and I have a feeling that this book, not only is it just stunning to look at, and you've got the cool bookmark, but I think the way that she's talking about it, I think you'd get more out of actually having the physical book than the electronic version, not the electronic version of anything, any less information, but it sounds like with the resources and everything that I'm just going to put that out there in my own opinion, just by how she's talking about it.

I think you'd probably be better off with a physical version of it and you get it signed. 

Danielle Young: Yeah, the resources. So I have listed resources in the back of the book and then there will be a separate page with the meditations and stuff with it too.

So you actually have to. Buy the book to get the link to the electronic resources that will be yours or just find the book. 

Brad Minus: Perfect that I love it. I'm so excited for you and I can't wait. I cannot wait to hear more about after you release it. So please and. Let's stay in touch so that you can tell me when you actually have it.

And then I'll do, maybe at 1 point, I'll do a mid roll. During the podcast. So anytime that anybody picks up any of my shows out in the mid roll, I'll put it out saying that, Hey, you remember. Season 4 episode 16 with Danielle Young.

We talked about her having the book. Well, she just decided to release it. And I'll put that as a mid roll in there. Thank you. I would love that. So, but It's an excuse for us to stay in touch so that you meet this thing. That would be awesome.

You don't need an excuse to keep in touch. I know you don't, but you know, I, you and I talk to a lot of people a lot of the day. So sometimes, you know, it just happens, you know, so, but yeah, let's please do that. And, so we'll, and then I'll be able to, and actually that'll cause that'll actually link back to this episode, which will.

Robin for us, for a little while. So yeah, so definitely so inspired wellness, inspiredactionwellness. com. And also we will put, it seems like you are active. You have, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, LinkedIn, and TikTok. But which one is your most active? 

Danielle Young: You know what? I cross post to all of them.

Brad Minus: Okay. 

Danielle Young: So, alright, 

Brad Minus: well it doesn't matter. 

Danielle Young: I have a Facebook group, for anybody who's interested. And then I also just started a meetup group. It's called empower her healing circle. It's on meetup. com and I'm going to be doing some workshops and things in there. I've got some speaking engagements coming up.

So there'll be events on my website as well for those tickets. A couple of them will be virtual. One will be in London, 

Brad Minus: one will be in France. 

Danielle Young: One will be virtual 

Brad Minus: oh, see, I know. One of s gonna be in London, huh? Yeah. All right, so I'm just gonna put this out there just so all, all of you know.

Now, this episode lives in infamy, but you know what I mean? Because what we've talked about prior to this. Is evergreen that type of stuff will last forever. People can listen to this 10 years from now and still get those nuggets that I like people to get from that. But for those of you listening in real time, March 8th and 9th, she is going to be at the, 12th Global Women Power Summit and Expo, which while she might be virtual, it's in.

Paris, France. So that might just actually fun be fun to go to. If you go to her Facebook page, she has a ton of other cool places and other podcasts that she's been on to that you can listen to. None of them can compare to this one. But, you know, more of Danielle is always good.

Danielle Young: Yeah, 

Brad Minus: I agree. So anyway, but hey, listen, really excited. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much. Thank you all for listening. And if you are watching on YouTube, please do me a favor. Go ahead and hit that like, subscribe, and that little notification bell so you always know when we drop a new episode.

If you're listening on Apple or on Spotify, You can either leave a comment, which now Spotify has, or leave us a review. And I don't even care if it's a bad review because a bad review just means that I can evolve the podcast. Other than that, go ahead and go on to the website everything's going to be in the show notes and go preorder a copy of Danielle's book. You're going to love it. And all the extras that she's providing you. So, yeah, just go do that. But anyway, again, Daniel, for being with us.

all for listening and we will see you in the next 1.