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From Grief to Growth in the Corporate and Energetic World with Gabrielle Pimstone
Embarking on a transformative odyssey, Gabrielle Pimstone, a corporate psychologist from Sydney, joins us to unveil the tapestry of her life and the profound impact of psychology interwoven with energy work. Through the grief of losing her father, Gabrielle's pursuit of understanding human behavior propelled her from the halls of the University of Cape Town to the labyrinthine corporate world, where she mastered the art of navigating organizational dynamics for over two decades. Her tale doesn't shy away from the shadows but illuminates her journey towards integrating energy healing with traditional coaching methods, promising a riveting look into the power of personal development.
This episode is a beacon for anyone feeling adrift in the turbulent seas of corporate transformation and personal anxiety. Gabrielle and I dissect a hospital's struggle with costly meetings, reflecting on the broader challenge of effecting change in rigid systems. Meanwhile, I lay bare my own skirmish with anxiety in the corporate trenches, recounting the watershed moment that spurred me to carve a new path towards equilibrium. Together, we navigate the intricacies of seeking support, the courage found in life-altering choices, and the unexpected opportunities contracting work can present for skill-building and growth.
As we steer towards the mysterious realm of energy practice and coaching, the conversation illuminates how energy blocks can entangle our lives in unseen ways. Gabrielle maps out the journey of restoring balance, sharing insights into how traumas can manifest as energetic disruptions and their potential release through healing practices. My personal explorations in acupuncture underscore the tangible benefits of holistic healthcare, providing a poignant testament to the life-altering potential of consistent care. Join us on this expedition, as we chart the course for a more harmonious existence by reconciling the worlds of psychology and energy work.
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And we're back for another episode of Life Changing Challengers.
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As always, I am Brad Minus, I'm your host and today I am so honored to have Gabrielle Pimstone, all the way from Sydney, australia.
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So actually, if you think about it, we're talking to the future.
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You are Right.
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So it is April 10th here and where Gabby is, it's April 11th.
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You are degrees in psychology and actually you know what I'm just gonna let her tell it.
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So, gabrielle, thank you for joining us.
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I definitely appreciate it.
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Thank you so much, Brad.
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I'm really delighted to be here and thanks for hosting me.
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Oh no, I'm super excited.
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So let's just get on with it and tell us about how you grew up, what was the compliment to your family and what was your childhood like and where you grew up and the environment.
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Great.
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Well, you think that Australia is exotic, but I actually didn't grow up here.
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I grew up somewhere even more exotic.
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I grew up on the southern tip of Africa in a city called Cape Town, south Africa, yeah, and Cape Town is a really beautiful kind of seaside town, and I grew up into a wonderful home Both parents highly academic, two older brothers and the best older brothers you can wish for and life was really idyllic for my first five years of my life, which were all formative years, as we know.
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But when I was five I got a really strong sense, an intuitive sense, that things were changing and nothing was spoken about.
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But I picked up on something really big that was happening and that was that my father had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, my beloved father.
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From the age of five to nine I watched him just decline and he died when I was nine.
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He was in his late 40s and that was a seminal moment in my life.
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In all of our lives, brad and I think the family unit, which was always strong and loving, always remained loving.
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But things switched and that was the first experience that I had with serious trauma like capital T trauma in my life and things turned on their head in good and not so great ways.
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I mean, we all know that what trauma does to a person, we develop really limiting beliefs and behaviors.
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That was definitely prevalent for me, but, on a positive note, it got me on a path of searching for answers and started really becoming interested in my dreams at a young age, documenting my dreams, journaling, and very interested in the area of psychology, which I ended up studying and that was the career I moved into.
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And then also later in life I got into a little bit of a path, the spiritual path, where I started studying energy and its impact on us.
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And nowadays what I do is I bring my background in psychology with my energy skills and I provide coaching to people who I need in the way that I was at a young age.
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So we all go through these big inflection points.
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They do become defining moments in our lives and then very often when we are young, like the age I was, it's difficult to process what's happening, and for me I was a late bloomer and in my late 40s at age 50 potentially I started really reassessing my life and making very different decisions about how I wanted to live it and how I wanted to heal from my childhood trauma.
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I didn't want it running the show anymore.
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So that's just a little bit about my background.
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Okay, so let's unpack a little bit of that, just a little bit more.
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So you had mentioned that you lived in the Horn of Africa and then, at age nine, unfortunately your father passed.
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I'm very sorry, but you had two brothers, so did you move from the Horn of Africa to another place?
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Is that when you finally found yourself in Australia, or did you stay there for a while?
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I grew up in South Africa.
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I actually went to school, I went to university and then I left just after university.
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I left in my early 20s and came over to Australia.
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So I'm a fully naturalized Aussie, but Africa is still very much a part of who I am, and my mom and one of my brothers are still there.
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So yeah, I'm still home.
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Yeah, nice, where did you go to school?
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I went to school in Cape Town, a private school in Cape Town, south Africa.
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Yeah, and you studied so over here.
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Well, I would imagine just about everywhere there's a Bachelor of Science, bachelor of Arts, master's.
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So I'm assuming that your first degree was in psychology.
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Yes, and my second degree.
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Sorry, I misunderstood you.
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When you said school, I thought we call school before university.
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You talk about university?
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Yes, I went to.
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University of Cape Town in South.
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Africa University of Cape Town.
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Okay, yeah, that's right, you're absolutely right, you're absolutely right and I know that and I should have said it.
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Where did you go versus school versus where did you go to university?
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And you went to University of Cape Town, got your Bachelor of Science in in psychology.
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Then you got a Master's in psychology as well.
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Was there any kind of an emphasis that you had within psychology?
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Well, actually, what I decided was I studied clinical psychology and then I switched later on.
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In my second degree I switched to organizational psychology, and that's where I spent 27 years working in huge corporations that were undergoing massive disruption change, where there were dysfunctional dynamics, bringing teams together, bringing leaders together, coaching people who were also at inflection points in their careers.
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So it really played out more in the corporate space Interesting.
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So all right.
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So I'm glad that you're able to list some of those things that you actually accomplished in that force, so just so we can get a little background on the journey.
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What is a day in the life of a corporate psychologist?
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Look like.
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Never the same, but you're in the thick of the politics.
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Whatever you're doing, you're working with all the dysfunction.
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I call it the dark underbelly of the organization, and a lot of it is your days spent in developing individuals and teams.
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That's what you're bringing people together, holding up the mirror, helping them to look at their blind spots and really untangle disruptive and dysfunctional patterns of engaging and behaving, and so that's what it is.
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So it might be several team and group sessions.
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It might be working with an executive leadership team who are struggling in one shape or another.
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I mean, I led big pieces of work like organizations that were selling off part of their business and acquiring new parts of mergers and acquisitions very unsettling times, really counseling and helping people who were being let go in those scenarios.
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So there were big pieces of work that I would lead.
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And then I was also very much drawn to the area of learning.
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So learning and development, so teaching people how to navigate through change smoothly and with joy and fulfillment, as opposed to resisting it and finding meaning in difficult times, and really giving people a sense of agency back, because when you're a corporate employee and the organization's got 50,000 people and decisions are being made on behalf of you.
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For you, my role was to really capacitate people to take back some of their power and make their own decisions and solve their own problems.
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So it was a combination of working with individuals, with leaders, with whole teams of people, constantly mostly facilitating.
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Yeah, it's amazing you say that and you know what?
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I don't actually have an episode on myself, so I tend to give certain situations when I can that I can.
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I have a connection with and I worked for Tampa General Hospital out here and I was part of the organizational development team and we yeah, exactly, I was a project manager and they gave me a project that was to change the culture of the whole staff, all from top to bottom, and we started at the top, which was unusual, because the last time they tried this they started at the bottom with the staff and we have to start at the top, thinking that, hey, you know what, if the top buys into this, then everybody will follow through.
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Well, I learned a lot.
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I learned a lot and the things of what you said is decisions being made for you.
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So a lot I learned a lot about.
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That was in a different project that I was doing at the same time was we were changing the EMR, the electrical, the electronic medical records system, and I was in with the C-suite and the chief nursing officer when we were talking about the policies and the procedures and I was like, hey, this is a great time for us to go in and really go through and make our procedures more efficient, and if we use the ones that are vanilla inside of the system, that have been proven because the system had been around for a long time and we're in the major hospitals all over the United States, this might give us a chance.
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Nothing, not even a hint.
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She's like nope, we've been doing this for 30 years.
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This is the way we're going to do it.
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They spent an extra 6 million to bring in system analysts to change everything the coding and everything in the EMR, so it will match what we wanted versus us making the thing.
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Anyway, very interesting what you were saying, so it just resonated with me because I didn't want to be, there.
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And what you're saying resonates so much with me.
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If I can just jump in here as well, because you're talking about trying to change this culture, and that's I mean I led that, led those huge jump in here as well, because you're talking about trying to change this culture, and that's I mean I led that, led those huge big projects as well.
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But what I've come to understand, when you're trying to change a culture, it's the same as working with someone to change their belief systems.
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It's very difficult.
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There has to be enough I guess there's no other way to put it but disconfirming evidence.
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People don't change unless either the status quo is intolerable or there's something really, if they go through the change, but also human transformation more generally.
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That's what I work with, so, thankfully, people who typically reach out to me.
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They are ready for change.
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But what was in my case?
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Like many people, we continue in our unhappy state until we get irrefutable.
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Like an irrefutable nudge, the universe says to us you know what you've got to pivot.
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Until we get irrefutable.
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Like an irrefutable nudge, the universe says to us you know what you've got to pivot.
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In my case, my career started just constricting me more and more.
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I was deeply depressed and unhappy in 2020.
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I was in a leadership role at a bank here that was creating such a level of anxiety in my life.
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I couldn't sleep.
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My thyroid spiked again.
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Everything.
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I started isolating myself from the world.
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It was a terrible time in my life and unfortunately, we often wait for the crises to hit before we make change, before we go all right, enough's enough.
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That's human nature.
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But the other thing I've learned is we don't have to wait for the crisis to hit to change.
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There are two ways we change either when things get so bad, we're forced out of our comfort zone, but sometimes we change through moments of insight, when we have an aha moment, and that is enough to get us off the starting blocks and to move in a different direction.
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So it's difficult changing people when the readiness isn't there yeah, and I think they were trying to change.
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They were hoping that by changing and giving them certain tasks to do and procedures and policies that would eventually lead to change.
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So, for instance, we went through this whole exercise where the Franklin Covey had came in and they were going through with the C-suite Okay, what are these biggest?
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What are your biggest pain points?
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And then they got to the point of meetings, of just meetings that were done around the hospital, and they sat down and it took them two days to do this and they quantified the number of meetings and they put price tags to it, to the number of people that were in the meetings and everything else, and when they came up with the answer, everybody was flabbergasted.
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So literally we spent $60 million per year in unproductive meetings.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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So, basically, what's?
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And what they found was it was like okay, so we had the director, wow, wow, and the agenda doesn't show that there's only one person from the departments that needed to be there.
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There was no meeting, right?
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So I ended up having to leave that position.
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But I was doing some freelance work with the hospital and I had talked to one of the department heads and she goes yeah, my meetings didn't decrease, they increased.
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What?
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Yeah?
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So she goes yeah, I don't know what happened.
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Everything went to the wayside and they just said I just started getting meetings after meetings.
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Then I was having meetings about the meetings.
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So I like, yeah, I says, well, I'm glad I'm out of there then.
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But but I can see where you're going with it, and I think that that ended up being a pain point.
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They're like OK, that was the right thing to do, we need to solve this, let's put a policy in place, but that's not going to change the behavior.
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Yeah, so interesting enough.
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So, basically, let's go back a minute and you basically say that you needed that.
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Everybody needs that little nudge, they need that pain point, they need that something that finally get them over what I would say a start line.
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Yes, yes, exactly yes, yes.
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So 20, 20 some odd years in corporate psychology.
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What was your nudge?
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Well, my nudge came during the pandemic and, by the way, I also use getting off the starting block, getting off the starting line.
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So, like the running metaphor as well, I use that, although I'm not a runner like you.
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But I was 20, 20, and I was in this job.
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That was creating excessive anxiety for me.
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Right, you said the bank right.
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I was at the bank and it was really.
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It came at the tail end of I'd started to feel bored in my career.
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Boredom turned to, I didn't like what I was doing anymore and that turned into severe anxiety.
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So it was like a graded an evolution.
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So over about a five-year period and remember, this came off the back of 20-something-year career that I loved and all of a sudden, this work this came off the back of a 20-something year career that I loved and all of a sudden, this work, this job, this career that gave me so much meaning, started to create so much pain for me and I started to see things in the organization or experience the dark underbelly of the organization.
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I was always in it by role and function, but I started like the corporate politics just started to weigh heavily on me, felt very toxic.
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Corporate bureaucracy trying to get anything over the starting line, anything signed off, felt very.
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I felt very hamstrung.
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I felt like man.
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I'm not making the kind of impact I want to make.
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There were so many ramifications from it kind of impact I want to make.
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There were so many ramifications from it.
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And in 2020, I woke up on a Sunday morning and I had this terrible sensation in the pit of my stomach, a feeling of dread, trepidation, terror, just deep anxiety.
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And I went off for a walk and I listened to a podcast because I love podcasts.
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And that podcast actually was the catalyst, because the woman was talking about her relationship to anxiety and I've always lived with anxiety, but it was now significantly amplified given the job I was in.
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And I realized the woman was talking about her daughter had been in a bad car accident years before, had recovered and was now expecting her first baby.
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And the woman being interviewed couldn't enjoy the moment because she was so worried that things were now going right that the rug would get taken out from under her and that was the trauma of her daughter's accident.
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I had the same syndrome, rad.
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I lived for decades after my dad's passing waiting for the other shoe to fall, and that was the part of his story that really woke me up to this invisible spiritual prison that I'd been living in for decades, which was all about keeping me trapped in a vicious circle of anxiety, loss and grieving fear, and I was sick of it.
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So it was on that walk.
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That podcast made me really go enough.
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Now you'll start making different decisions and you've got to find a way to move through this pattern that stopped you throughout your whole life.
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So that was it.
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Wow.
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So what was the next step for you?
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Well, that was a Sunday, Monday morning I phoned the employee assistance program to have a chat.
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I'd never used it before I phoned them.
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I said I want to resign, I'm feeling stressed, I'm feeling terrible in them.
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I said I want to resign, I'm feeling stressed, I'm feeling terrible in my job, but I'm scared to resign.
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And in that conversation I made the decision to resign, put down the phone, picked up the phone to my boss and resigned there and then, and I didn't quite leave the corporate world immediately because that would have caused too much anxiety.
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So, like you, I contracted back, I did some contracting gigs and that kept me going while I re-skilled.
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And that's when I did an 18-month program to train up as an energy master like Reiki.
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And now I've got a new set of skills that I'm using and I do a little bit of work for corporate, but in a very different way.
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But a lot of my clients are corporate clients.
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Actually, funnily enough, they come to me because they too are suffering from distress, don't know how to shield themselves from the toxicity, and so my relationship with the corporate world has changed dramatically.
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So okay, so you went to school and got re-skilled, and that's great.
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Was there something that you did in the middle there for yourself?
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Did you go to therapy?
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Did you try some of these energy?
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Did you have an energy coach yourself, or was it just re-skill and you healed yourself by learning?
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Such a great question.
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The process was as I was learning the skills.
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He was healing us in the group, so it was a dual process of learning the skills and the tools, but also being healed yourself 18 months of constantly looking at yourself.
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No, I didn't go into therapy.
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I'd been in therapy for much of my life, and it was, in fact, in 2020, I realized I had incredible self-awareness from therapy.
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Incredible self-awareness that my life wasn't changing, and so I needed a different modality.
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And this gave me a different modality.
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So I studied under him and I, in the process, let go of serious baggage.
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So you say him.
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I mean, we don't have to give him a free plug or anything, but it'd be interesting that you seem to be very taken by him and you learned a lot.
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Well, who is him?
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Yeah, so his name is Oliver Nino.
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So his name is Oliver Nino.
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He's actually he's based in Colorado and he is the energy healer to Hollywood.
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Funnily enough, I didn't know this when I met him, and he's really he's exceptionally gifted.
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He's a gifted energy practitioner.
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So I went to one of his free or almost free weekends and I signed up for the program.
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So, yeah, so he does a lot of talks openly about working with Demi Moore, Gwyneth Paltrow, I don't know all of those kind of big stars.
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And that's one side of him.
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The other side of him is he is on a mission to skill up as many people to take the reins and to start changing lives through energy work, which is fabulous, Okay.
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That's amazing, I think.
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Hey, the last thing I thought was going to happen on this podcast was to start getting some name dropping.
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But I'm cool with it.
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I actually hate it.
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Well, it's about the clicks, which is a very big anxiety point, I agree.
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So can you give us a little more deep dive into the methods of energy practice and what is energy coaching?
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Okay.
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So coaching generally I mean, you'd know this having worked in OD, but an ordinary coach has regardless of the modality of content is getting people from A to B.
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They're moving people forward in their lives.
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It's a process of closing gaps and it is a process that involves holding up the mirror, a lot of reflective inquiry and then also teaching people along the way, giving people tools and tips and pragmatic things to take away.
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That's the same.
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I bring that into the energy practice.
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What I'm doing is I'm teaching people how to.
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I'm doing a couple of things.
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I'm going through the regular coaching process, but I'm also throwing in energy healings and energy activations.
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A healing is done to release stuck energy blocks and an activation is to unleash untapped potential.
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We've all got dormant potential and an energetic level in us, so I do that as well.
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So I'm throwing in that.
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I'm doing a lot of the heavy lifting for my clients, but I'm also teaching them techniques on how to master their energy, how to understand their energetic state, how to protect their energy from the environment, how to clear their own energy blocks, how to manage and maintain their energy.
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So, when you go into energetic dips, how to get yourself out quickly and how to optimize your energy.
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There are five arms to it.
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So that's what I'm teaching people and people enter the process at various points and, depending on who the person is, a lot of the time I'm helping them.
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I'm giving them these tools to navigate through change.
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But there are people that have got more of a spiritual benefit.
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Come to me, for example, I've actually got a new client starting tomorrow who feels like she's got a spiritual gift of mediumship that's starting to bubble up.
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She wants me to activate her spiritual gifts.
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That's part of the activation process.
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So I'm going to have to do a lot of clearing and healing.
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So she's coming from a pure place and then I'm going to activate her spiritual gifts.
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So there are different ways that I do it, but what I'm working with is not the physical body as much as the energetic body.
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We've got a physical body which we can see, feel, touch, but we've also got an energetic body which is made up of our aura.
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A lot of people know about the auras.
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It's also made up of our chakras and I'm working at the chakra level to find and then clear the energetic root of our biggest blocks.
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Wow, does that make any sense?
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It makes total sense to me.
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