Dr. Lynn Carey’s Journey to Healing: From Scoliosis to Spiritual Awakening

Brad Minus: [00:00:00] All right, and We are back with a very special guest, Dr. Lynn Carey. She is a chiropractor. She's an author. She's a coach. She wrote a book called my journey to grace, scattering mainstream illusions and creating my desired life. She also has some master classes and she does some coaching and we're going to hear her story tonight.

So, Dr. Lynn Carey, welcome and how are you today?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Great. Thank you for having me, Brad. I'm excited to be here.

Brad Minus: Oh, it's an honor and a privilege and thank you so much. So, as I ask everyone, Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood, where you grew up, what was the complement to your family, and what was it like to be Lynn Carey as a kid?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yeah, so I'll take you all the way back. My parents were married 21 years before they ever had their first baby, which was me. So my mom was about 41. [00:01:00] And back in the 70s, I was born in 74. That was unheard of, they scared my mom that I was going to be, have complications, sickness, and probably she might not carry a full term.

So it was very stressful. But my mom just thought she couldn't have kids. And I came along, and I definitely have always, I think, beat to my own drum. Like, when I think about it, I was like a miracle baby. So that was the beginning of it. And I'm an only child, my parents were older, so I always felt kind of a generation gap a little bit.

Because my mom is definitely old school Italian Catholic. So I felt like I had to, especially as I got older, tell her one thing and do what I wanted just to, just cause I didn't feel like hearing all that yaps in my ear about everything. I didn't want the judgment. It was always there.

The guilt, the obligation and the judgment was always there.

Brad Minus: You want to talk about guilt? I'm an only child from a Jewish family. You have a lot of her guilt.

Dr. Lynn Carey: [00:02:00] It's in the jeans.

Brad Minus: Yeah.

Dr. Lynn Carey: So, yeah. So, I question things. My father lost a business. I think many, he was a failed entrepreneur many times by the time I came along and I felt he had, I think right when I was probably four or five is when he lost his last business and he had to go take a job That he did not like he was working a night shift at a bakery.

So I think I took on that Vibe, I didn't have to consciously understand but I grew up where It's just like life felt hard. My mom worked all the time My dad worked my dad slept during the day. I just felt like his life force was gone I couldn't say those words, but like he wasn't vibrant, and my mom just was busy all the time working and I didn't feel like It was ever even right to relax You know, I became like You just had to be working just hard.

So I was like a student working my [00:03:00] butt off in school. And then my mom's father had started a sub shop. I'm from Wilmington, Delaware, and it's pretty well known there. And everybody worked in the sub shop. So my mom worked in an office during the day at night. She'd go to the sub shop, and.

It was just all this work, but, and if you were to rest or play or do anything that was not essential, it wasn't looked, it wasn't looked well upon, you were like lazy, no good, blah, blah, blah. So I always questioned there's gotta be more to life than this. Nobody questioned this.

Like they were just, everybody was just busy all day long, but it was still hard. I didn't see joy. I didn't, they talk like there was never enough, even though I had everything I needed. It was always that poverty talk, consciousness. And I just thought there had to be more to life.

And then my father, eventually, he got sick when I was 11, and he died when I was 12. They say it was cancer. That's a whole nother story. I really believe it was broken dreams. It was a broken [00:04:00] heart. When you're living a life that is just dread every day, you lose your life for it. So he died when I was 12, and I, I was just angry that he left me.

I felt like he left me in hell. He went to heaven in my religion, they talk about heaven being this utopia. I'm like, well, he went to the better place, because I think we're living in hell. I truly believe that. So I had that going on, and then I would always question everything about life, and my mom would just say, this is the way it is, you'll see.

I'm And so eventually what, like within two years, maybe less than two years, I was diagnosed with scoliosis, which is the curvature of the spine. So right when I was going into high school, so my dad died when I was in seventh grade, summer after eighth grade, I had scoliosis, and I found it like one waistline was gone.

You're going through all these changes anyway, and I felt a bump in my back. I didn't have [00:05:00] pain, but it just looked weird, right? And so I told my mom, she brought me to the pediatrician. He said, we have to send you to the orthopedic, somebody who specializes in scoliosis, and I was already labeled severe.

And, knowing what I know now, the emotional causes is like you're being pulled in two directions. That's why your spine is going in opposite directions. I had that with my father in heaven, my mother on earth, my mother telling me this is the way life is, and there was something in me saying there has to be something more to this life, because this sucks.

So, I was diagnosed with scoliosis, and I just did what the medical world said. That's all we knew. And I ended up having herringbone rod surgery, which is where they put the metal rods in your spine for scoliosis. And the surgery itself was a success according to them, but I was in pain or sick all the time afterwards.

I had it when I was 15. Like a year to the day of my surgery, I got [00:06:00] the chicken pox, a really severe case, strep throat all the time. I pain down my legs that I couldn't walk, that'd be on and off, but nobody could help me. So it was like the, this period of years where I'd go to different doctors and I kept saying, why do I keep getting sick?

Nobody ever addressed the surgery that they butchered your spine. Maybe that's why, but no, that's in their world normal. I went to therapy, physical therapy. It didn't help. Painkillers didn't work. Antibiotics, I think just destroyed my system. The symptoms just kept getting worse. So I just, and this is on top of, I already probably was depressed, like all this going on especially like not having meaning in life, working so hard, working myself to the bone, in every way.

Yeah.

Brad Minus: So just stepping back just real quick. So first of all you were saying. That you're getting pulled in two different directions. So were you saying that you were, that your mom was like, this is life, but you were saying, no, there's more to it. And that was the duality that you were feeling.

Okay. I just wanted to [00:07:00] clear that up. Cause it made perfect sense. It made perfect sense to me. And so you're talking about, so this had to be like, what, 1990, 1991. When you had the surgery.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yep. 1989.

Brad Minus: And that's and at that point, we're really starting to, that's a medical health care was starting to boom at that point.

So interesting that you had these rods. So, didn't and no one ever mentioned the fact that it might have been, they butchered your spine. Yeah, but maybe the rods because those are metal rods. Right?

Dr. Lynn Carey: So I ended up I'm blessed in the sense that they took the rods out when I was 16.

Yeah. I had it for almost two years. And the only thing I could think of that, I think the surgeon, I think he, I was probably complaining about pain. I don't remember what phase I was in to exactly why he decided to take them out because. In the majority of cases, they leave the rods in for life. [00:08:00] And that is so awful.

I just can't, they still do this surgery today. And these people, these poor people have rods in for life. So I think it was because I was feeling pain. He said, well, you have a skinny frame. You might feel the rods. Maybe it's better. They come out. And I didn't really want more surgery. I just did what he suggested.

So I had the, actually the getting the rods out where it was a lot easier than getting them in. So, I'm grateful that they came out, but I'm still was in pain. I still was sick all the time. I still,

Brad Minus: okay. So

Dr. Lynn Carey: that

Brad Minus: wasn't it then. Yeah. That's, I just was thinking about these metal rods going in. I'm like, Oh my God.

And all the symptoms make totally clear towards metal poisoning. So that's what I was thinking about, but obviously that wasn't it. So it was something to do with the spine. So, all right. So you get the rods out. Now, how did you feel as far as, okay. So you've just felt like you're getting sick, but were you standing up straighter?

Did they did your spine end up going back to the way it was?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Nope. [00:09:00] It's still crooked. I still have a bump in my back to this day. And they removed a lot of the spinous processes, which is all the tips going down your spine because they want to use my spine. So my spine feels really weird if you touch it to this day.

Brad Minus: Huh? Interesting. But you, at that point you still were getting sick. You still forgetting stuff, throat and all that stuff, even after the rods. Okay.

Dr. Lynn Carey: One down and I, eight, right. I was working out, I was doing things too. At that point, I think just. What most people do to try to get healthy is, they go to the gym or they watch their diet, it was more of a vanity thing too, especially my late teens.

I would do all those things and cause I had a perfectionist thing going on. So I was working on all areas that I thought were proper, at the time, but I just wasn't. So I, when I got to college, I just was trying to figure out what to do with my life. Cause I was told you go to college to be successful in life.

And. [00:10:00] Someone told me to look into chiropractic, and I had no idea what that was. I read the pamphlet on it, and it said, the power that made the body heals the body, was their philosophy. And I thought, why hasn't anyone said that to me? All these years. I would ask the doctors, why do I keep getting sick? And they would just write me another prescription.

Nobody had answers for me, and I used to think, they don't know. But I didn't verbally say that to anybody, because they would think I was nuts. So I just The philosophy spoke to me and it was the first time I felt like a God call, like that call, like a knowing. And I just went to chiropractic school and I started getting adjusted there, started learning about how the body heals and it's transformed my life.

It was not overnight, but that was the beginning of the journey. of transforming my life and really opening up the spiritual path.

Brad Minus: Wow. So actually getting adjusted, getting your spine put back in the right way with [00:11:00] manual manipulation, which is more natural than, than obviously, Prescriptions and medicine and everything else.

And you started to feel better as far as sickness and everything else along with feeling better in your back.

Dr. Lynn Carey: It was a process. I would say it was probably a good year before I got out of chronic pain, but I was also told, if you were like this for years, sometimes it takes time for the body to reverse everything that it's gone through, which makes sense to me.

I'm like, I only have time at that point. The blessing was I had nothing to lose. Because I really just thought I was gonna have to live like that. I was 19 years old. No one had answers for me I already went to so many different medical doctors tried different things been through this journey of no answers And that was probably the biggest gift because now this door opened up of your body heals itself There's a life force within you that's always working to make itself new Look being around people who live this life [00:12:00] believe this life showed me how it works.

I'm like, this makes total sense. Like the dots just started to connect. And then I was getting the body work done and it starts to clear out the stress. And you can imagine the stress from having the two surgeries, you got scar tissue, trauma, all that stuff's in there. It starts to clear out, but it takes time.

And I just remember everything really started to click for me when I lost the fear. When I realized I can get better, that there's nothing stopping me from getting better. And I didn't have the fear that I wouldn't get better. That was a turning point for me and my healing journey. And that's where the chronic pain started to go away.

And I probably looked, started to look at a little bit more of what's my emotional and mental connection going on stress wise with the physical symptoms that I'm feeling.

Brad Minus: Wow, that's a great connection to make, especially at that time, right? Because now we're talking, what, [00:13:00] 95, 96?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yep, exactly.

Brad Minus: Yeah, and that, we didn't really have all the woo stuff yet.

There wasn't, there, there wasn't a yoga studio on every other corner, people weren't talking about, Oh, you need to meditate every day. Obviously we had the Buddhist teachings that always helped. Right. And that was a part of it, but not back then it wasn't, you searched for stuff.

It wasn't like hitting you in the face like it does now. So that's really cool. What was the what is the first thing you did to, Start looking into that connection, that, that emotional mindfulness connection.

Dr. Lynn Carey: I think the one, the first thing that happened was I had a chiropractic, he was a chiropractic student who I was getting adjusted by a professor. When I first got to chiropractic school, because everybody was afraid to touch my spine. I was like the specimen. I was like, Oh my God, look what they did to her spine.

Can you imagine? Everybody was horrified, so I really wasn't like, we, a lot of students will practice on [00:14:00] each other. I was not. a case for that because of my spine. So I was having one of the chiropractic professors was working on me, but she was only adjusting my hips. She was afraid to touch the middle of my spine.

And I was working with, we had clubs at school where students would come together and they would study under certain chiropractors for certain techniques and we'd learn the technique. It was very getting very specific on the spine. It was great. It was really great. It was where true chiropractic happens, more so than the classroom, if you ask me.

But I was a part of that. And I remember one of the senior students, he said, you're not, she's not working on these areas. This is the protocol. Do you want me to try? And I was like, yeah, what do I have to lose? Let's do it. And he always went with his hands, what he felt. And he started to adjust what he felt not, stuck in the mindset of all the clinical, what it should be.

But he went with his gut, his hands. What he felt and I started getting shit. I started having changes big time Like I could feel the difference [00:15:00] And this I had probably had a year of him working on me and then he was graduating And I remember the last time he adjusted me my back went out and I go this doesn't make sense Because I was terrified of losing my chiropractor.

I'm like, what am I going to do without him? And I realized he adjusted me, but my back went out. He was the foundation Who I trusted and I thought I'm afraid of losing him. And who am I going to trust with my spine? And that was the first click that I was like, Oh, the emotions are a big part of the healing process.

That's what made me start paying attention.

Brad Minus: Oh my God. That's huge. I just quick anecdote for myself. I don't usually do it. Don't do a lot of anecdotes on myself. I don't do an episode on my own. So I always just give a little bit every time. When I was in high school I was injured. Cervical injury during a wrestling match.

Right? So that's what, it started at the, started in Western medicine, went to the, went to emergency room, blah, blah, blah, gave me medicine. [00:16:00] And then they said, Hey, we should try chiropractic. And at that time. So that was. 82, 83, something like that. And no, I'm sorry. 85 85, 86, something like that.

And chiropractors weren't known all that well. Right. But I remember him, he's okay, you're gonna, just go down to your boxers, whatever, bringing shorts. And he did just that it was all manual and he would feel it. And then he, little pops, he would do my neck.

And it was a process. And yeah, and I got better really fast, I started wrestling, after that I started wrestling like, I don't know, four weeks later I got back on the mat. So, but what's interesting was, is I remember those manipulations, I remember those adjustments. So later in life when I started needing a chiropractor again, and, I went, I was almost searching.

I had to go searching for someone that actually would do that. Cause most people, they would just they would go bang, put me [00:17:00] on my side, that one maneuver where they you hold the shoulder back and you push down on the knee and you're twisted and they all click. And then then they go to the other side, click, do your neck and you're done.

I was like, I've been through this before. This is not right. Took me a long time to find somebody who would literally go down and feel and then pop things in, or they use, I guess what they call it now is it called an Arthur stem. You know what that is?

Dr. Lynn Carey: No, I've never used, I never been a fan of the equipment.

I always liked the hand adjustment.

Brad Minus: Oh, great.

Dr. Lynn Carey: What you're talking about. See, that's

Brad Minus: a

Dr. Lynn Carey: lot of people don't know the difference. And that's why I'm like, you have to even find out you have to find a good chiropractor. My profession has a lot of crazy stuff going on in it. That's a whole, probably we could talk about it.

That's a whole nother topic. But yeah, like at least you had, you knew what was good. Cause what if you only had the second scenario first? You might be like, I probably won't do that again. I think about that. What if you had a bad chiropractic adjustment? You're like, well, that doesn't [00:18:00] work.

You didn't know to find the good one.

Brad Minus: Yeah, exactly. So just to step back for a minute, just to give, to be clear. Cause I personally want, I'd like to know myself. So, first of all, where did you go to school? Where'd you go to undergrad?

Dr. Lynn Carey: I went to university of Delaware for three semesters and then I transferred to life university.

It was actually life college in Marietta, Georgia. And it, while I was there, it became a university. But I was able to finish my undergrad and I got a bachelor's in nutrition there alongside of my doctorate of chiropractic.

Brad Minus: So, all right, alongside your, so what is the requirements for a doctor of chiropractic?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Two years of undergraduate and then it's three and a half years, year round chiropractic school.

Brad Minus: Okay. So it's three and a half years. So it's, it's just like medical school. So there's medical schools.

Dr. Lynn Carey: So it's not like people take 12, 12 to 16 credits a semester. Ours is a quarter. Like it's full [00:19:00] time.

Brad Minus: Wow. That's crazy. So after the three and a half years, it's not like you can go put out a shingle right now. You got to do some sort

Dr. Lynn Carey: of. Oh, that's what I did. Cause I'm crazy. So that's what I did because I didn't like how other people, I wanted to bring chiropractic to my hometown. I'm like, people need to know what I know, but I don't like how these other chiropractors are practicing.

I want to do it on my own. So I'm like, but then I opened my practice and I'm like, okay, no one told me about money or business now. So that was a whole journey.

Brad Minus: Oh, I can imagine. I just the idea is to have three and a half years year round. Cause I thought, yeah, cause some of the chiropractors out here, of course that's old school chiropractic, right.

Was it even that we're talking about? But like a friend that I just got back. So he spent a year doing intern, he spent like what, six months doing internship, then he got hired on there as like an assistant or junior chiropractor before he finally put out his own shingle That, but yeah, I think that's incredible, but [00:20:00] just the idea.

So here it is for all those people out there that think that chiropractic is not real. First of all, somebody that's been a chiropractic patient and became a chiropractor, that's first of all, but second of all, it's the, they go to school just as long, if not longer than the original medical school. Yes.

You don't have to do, you're not required or I don't know anymore, but when you were going through, you didn't require to do a residency, then a specialty, then all that stuff, but you're taught well enough that you can walk out. Of chiropractic school,

Dr. Lynn Carey: we had clinic in that we were required to have so many hours while we was part of our degree.

So, we had that while we were in school

Brad Minus: now, during the clinic, during clinical, you were, you hands on.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yep.

Brad Minus: See, and that's not like medical school. They do a lot of, they have their clinical, but a lot of it is from what I can tell. I've been around, I've been [00:21:00] employed by 2 teaching hospitals and a lot of times the now medical, we're talking about like medical students still in the 3 years of medical school, they walk on and observe not the residences or the the interns.

Those guys actually they get taught to beat and then hands on, but it doesn't seem like it doesn't get quite where you are three and a half years and you're putting into clinical and you're doing hands on. It's like doing it both at the same time, which is really cool. Makes it easier.

Okay. So you put your shingle out at Union in Delaware and and you're starting to get clients. Yeah.

Dr. Lynn Carey: And I refused to sell my soul according, I would not do insurance. I would not, because I didn't want them to dictate what they, how do they want me to practice. I'm not diagnosing. I'm not prognosing.

I'm not telling people. I am not one of those that you have to be here three times a week. You don't have to do this, that I was like, how do you feel? I can give you a guidance. Like it might take a little [00:22:00] bit to start getting your body in tune with the adjustment, depending on how walled off you are, how not in touch you are.

But really I would say, how does it, how do you decide when you want to come? You know how you feel. I wanted people to be in tune with how they felt. I wanted them to start becoming their own best doctor. That was always my vision. And I did it for 18 years, but I just saw that people, a lot of people, I just outgrew the idea of practice because I realized I wanted people to do the inner work, I can adjust you all day long, but if you're going to a job that you hate every day, if you're going to a bad relationship, if you're not working on the stuff that.

eating you alive and in the brain, you're not going to have ultimate well being. I don't care how clean you eat. I don't care how often you work out, get your body work done. If you're not cleaning up the rest of your life, if you're not following your passion, your joy, if you're not living your best life.

What's the point?

Brad Minus: I get that. And I know you're right. And absolutely 100%. And you started learning that [00:23:00] with that dichotomy that you had that you felt probably was the reason for your scoliosis. Did you see a lot of that in your practice? Did you find that like clients would come back? You repeat clients may or your heavier repeater client, maybe your clients that did come see you three times a week where people that were having issues.

At work or relationship issues versus the people that would come in once a week and they'd get it done.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yeah, definitely. There was definitely people who were on the wellness path and they would come in, but a lot of people would be like, oh, this symptom or pain or whatever it was just happened.

And I'd be like, well, are you more stressed than usual? What's going on? I would just dig a little bit and they're like, no, everything's the same. And then they would start telling me about their day. And I was stressed just listening to it. And I thought they're not connecting that's become normal for them.

That high stress life has become their normal. So of course their body's going to break out because they're break down because they're not stopping. That's the only thing that's going to get their [00:24:00] attention to stop them, to stop that rat race wheel, that life, that spinning around busy to get their attention.

Your body's going to break down.

That's pretty cool. That's like just

Brad Minus: the thought of it, right. Is so coming from the athlete part of me is I'd go to the chiropractor and I knew it like right away, like you adjust me. But I knew because being an athlete and being a coach of athletes, I know that adjustment's not the end all be all you put me back in the place that I need to be.

I now it's my time to go to work to make sure that I'm getting the muscles around that will keep me. in that position to where the next time I go to my chiropractor, go to you, then it's going to be, you have to do an adjustment, but it's a much easier adjustment because I've got the muscles in line. Now you take it and we're, now I'm starting to make a connection where what you're talking about is, okay, so not [00:25:00] only as an athlete or as someone, do I need to do that work, get my core strength.

So the muscles around the areas that you've adjusted are strengthened enough to keep it there, but now I got my head that I need. To keep it free of stress or stress related relief things that I need to clear out of my, let's call it the basement clear out of my basement so that things can run cleaner and I can keep my adjustment that way as well.

Is that kind of, it's where you're going with this?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Absolutely. Definitely. Yeah, I like that. I like that scenario that you gave. That's great. It's, I would ask, why do some people heal and when some people don't? And really what is my the intent of my adjustment when i'm adjusting someone I want to Clear out the interference from the brain body communication.

So the life force that is always flowing It's running all your organs as we're sitting here. We're not doing it. Can you imagine if we had to consciously? [00:26:00] Work all our organs as we're sitting here having a conversation. We couldn't do it. Right? So your body's doing it, right? But why is it? Symptomatic, not working properly.

What's going on? Maybe it is working properly, but sometimes if it becomes a chronic state of symptoms, what's your body trying to tell you? So I always say what's blocking that life force from flowing? I could adjust you but you it's really about keeping the life force flowing and that I don't think a lot of people correlate the life force flowing in your body Is connected to the happiness the state of happiness that you're living in when you're joyful or excited or inspired when you're inspired How do you feel?

Yeah. Right? It's like you're alive. You can feel the adrenaline. I'm getting chills just thinking about it. Like you, right? Yes. Think about when you're stressed or you're, you don't want to go to do something or you're dreading something or you're anxious, right? How do you feel? You get smaller, right?

Your shoulders go down, right? Versus when you're [00:27:00] inspired, you pop up. That's not a metaphor. That's real. That's what's going on within your body. So the more, if you make your happiness, the more normal state. You can get through the challenges or the angst, being anxious or being challenged or being fearful that'll flow in and out That's part of life.

The problem is our society has trained us to live in that fear state That they think that we think that's normal, you know creating security the so called security creating all these things that are safety nets, but they're killing us. They're dimming our life for us We're here to live our dreams to follow our passions To follow that we should have joy in our lives.

That's so important and people we put that on the back burner

Brad Minus: And I don't know if Yeah I don't know if it's back burner, but it's we're always striving for the happiness But we don't but when we are happy we don't take time to enjoy it, we're on to

Dr. Lynn Carey: the next thing

Brad Minus: Right. Exactly. Exactly.

Hey, you [00:28:00] know you go out and you Hey, you finished it. Great. What's next and i'm guilty of it You And my clients are, I've, so I've got a couple of different sets of clients. I have clients that are bucket listers. So I'm an endurance coach. I just, if you haven't read it, but I'm an endurance coach.

So I get people to marathons, ultra marathons, Ironman's, that type of big giant. Like challenge stuff like that. And I've got a set of, I've always got sets of clients that run through my roster that are bucket listers. They want to do their first marathon. They want to do the first iron, Ironman, they want to do their first half Ironman, they want to do a 5k for the first time.

You know what I mean? Little things like that. And they get there and they like, they clock it off the bus bucket list. And then, and then they're off the roster and they go on to whatever else they want to do in their lives. That's, and that's fine. And I think they might actually have a better.

Idea than my habitual racers. So I've got people that have been on my roster like four or five, six years. Because it's race after race. And I'm like that way as well, we [00:29:00] actually call it the Ironman blues. So you go, you train for a year for an Ironman. The first one you train for a year.

And you get there and you cross the finish line. And then you're like, Oh, and I remember my first one. I was like, okay, bucket list it's done. I'll do the shorter stuff, but I don't want to do the bigger ones. Anyway, that was so, so we finished it on Saturday, Sunday morning. You're sore. You're feeling it.

You're still feeling that a little bit of that euphoria that you did this big thing. You crossed the line, you finished your goal. You did what you want. You did what you set out to do and you're still feeling it. And you're still like, okay, bucket list. Fine. Monday comes around, you get home, you travel on Sunday, get home on Monday and you're still like cleaning stuff up.

You're still reveling in it a little bit, but it's, things are starting to wind down. And then two, now you've gone two days and you're like bucket list. And then all of a sudden, Tuesday morning, you wake up and the alarm doesn't go off because you don't need to get up because you [00:30:00] don't, you're not, you're done.

You don't have to train. So you don't wake up. And now all of a sudden by Wednesday, you're like, I got no purpose. You could call the Ironman blues. So all of a sudden by Wednesday, you're like looking for another race. But more should be happening is we should be extending that happiness, and enjoying the recovery and enjoying it and just reveling in and feeling hey, that's not that I don't have a purpose.

I just, it's just, but take the time to celebrate that. And I don't think a lot of people do.

Dr. Lynn Carey: No, I think it's about getting in touch with the peaceful side of life too. Just the little joys of, excuse me, having time to wake up because you don't have an alarm clock in the morning, enjoying your coffee or tea in the morning and just seeing the sun come up or that the sun is up.

You could take a walk or, like little things like that. It's to appreciate those small joys in life too. I think that's just, that's part of it.

Brad Minus: So, all right. So you spent 18 [00:31:00] years as a practicing chiropractor, right? So, oh, and you did you did a little traveling during that time or afterwards?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yeah, I did. I went on a couple of mission trips with other chiropractors. We brought chiropractic to Brazil and India, and it was just really cool because it really showed me the energy, the energetic side of it. The spiritual side of it, we really tapped into, it's hard to find words, really, to describe, but we would go, we would bring chiropractic there.

They didn't speak the language. We had interpreters, but people would just line up and we would just be adjusting people all day, just palpating the spine, adjusting it. So it was just this huge energy that we were working with and the vibration became very high. And this was part of me [00:32:00] finding that bliss state within, because I had that experience well, people, the endorphins of people feel like after they ran the marathon that you were talking about.

We had those highs after adjusting people, right? It was like we were just high on life. It was just this bliss vibe Then when I came back home, I just felt depression like I just crashed Because I couldn't maintain that high that we felt by working on all these people in the zone. It was just you were it was just this High vibe and it wasn't there in normal life, but it actually it ended up becoming that for me in normal life I ended up going into a bliss state and it lasted for about 18 months And I realized I'm like, oh, this is the high that everybody's looking for, you know From running the marathon, right?

From being in the zone of adjusting people, from people who drink, people who take the drugs, right? That they want to find that high. I'm like, Oh, because this is our natural state. This [00:33:00] societal matrix has dumbed us down so much that we think this stress and fear is normal. But no. What the search is because we know within us is this bliss state.

We know it innately. I think we all do. We're all searching for it. But until you get to that place where you feel it within, you're always attaching it to an outside. Source, and the only thing I could equate it to is when you fall in love You think about that person you can't want to be with that person Well, it happened to me.

I was in love but there was no other person. I was just in love with life myself I was just blissed out and that's where I realized i'm like, okay. How did I get here? How do I maintain this? What is this? And that really has probably been my journey for the last 20 years Just connecting the dots on how do we create this in our everyday life?

This bliss state, cause this, or how do we live? This is our normal state. How do we allow it in our everyday life? Moment to moment that's the practice [00:34:00] that is,

Brad Minus: that's profound. And you're saying that you were living in the bliss state based on continuing to think about what you went through in Brazil and India,

Dr. Lynn Carey: No, I didn't have to do anything.

I was just there. That's the thing. It's I didn't have to try. I was just in the state. It's like an awakening and it just lasted for about 18 months. And then I realized I wanted to create in my life, the freedom that I felt within. I wanted to now build my life based on this vibe. Before, we had goals and things, but you're doing it from a place of lack.

We got to get something to feel better. Now I just felt great. So now I want my outside to match the inside here. So it reoriented my journey a little bit But and I also i'm like, how do I stay in this state and build my life? So it's following the guidance [00:35:00] Allowing the stuff the darkness to come up when it has to come up to release, not being afraid of It's following your inner voice moment to moment.

What do I really want to be doing following your intuition? What's the next right action step to take? What is my next goal if there's a goal? Can I just appreciate this moment and the beauty in it, it's all right. And that's the orientation that you're looking at life through.

Brad Minus: So I, I think the biggest one that you mentioned, and it really hit me real quick is that allowing the darkness to come up and feel it so you can release it. Can you give us kind of an example? It doesn't have to be from your own life. It could be from somebody else's. But can you give us an example of what, somebody might be pushing down and then how.

They what it might look like for them to let it go.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yeah, I have a great one for my own life because I had my bliss date, it was around 2001. And then I had my son in 2006. And after I had him, I really [00:36:00] went into kind of a dark night of the soul. Just everything was hitting me and it wasn't about baby.

It was, I think it was all my childhood stuff that I didn't deal with because I realized what was done to me. I would never do to my child. Like the way I was taught to look at life, all the stress I was under all this crap that I was even too guilty. It felt too guilty to admit before. But now I was looking at my son.

I'm like, I'll never let that happen to him. But it was coming up for me at such a pace. Like the things that would inspire me to read or listen to weren't working. They weren't helping me get in my bliss state. I just felt all this darkness, but I wasn't afraid of it. Like I knew what it was. And I knew at that point, cause I had the grace state.

That was my normal so I knew stuff was coming up for me to heal I just didn't know what to do with it or how to shift myself. So But I waited for the guidance. I remember reading. I think it was Jack Canfield's book he talked about I was it was like the laws of success or something But that book [00:37:00] wasn't even hitting me at the time I had it but it was something that he's mentioned He said there is the Sedona method to help release the darkness that you can't let go of and I ordered that course right away it was like CDs and a book at the time and a workbook and I remember Investing in this course, it was the Sedona Method by Hal Dwoskin.

And I remember doing it for a few minutes, 20 minutes every day for 6 months. And all he would do is ask you questions. Can you allow this to come up right now? Can you feel this right now? Are you okay to just be with it right now? Can you let it go, just for now? Just simple questions. And I would do that every day and it started to help but I mean I did it consistently for about six months I remember until I felt oh, okay now i'm back to my happy self now I can listen to my inspirational stuff again.

It moves me again But I thought how key is that? People we need because I think a lot of [00:38:00] people get stuck because they're afraid to feel The dark feelings because they think they're going to overtake them, but they have to come up If you really want to be clear and live Become who you need to be they're there to I don't know if you want to say teach you something or There's an awareness that comes from being in the darkness so you can really understand the light if they're not bad That's how we create as humans.

We need the contrast so we can't avoid the darkness But it's just that we've been living in so much of it that I think we feel strangled by it So that something like that it was so simple to sit with every day And it helps so much

Brad Minus: I think what you were talking about. So he said that we live in it every day, but I think that's like more external, the stuff we live through right now, I think it's a lot of external where people don't really understand.

That what the difference is between this external darkness that we're going through, like right now, we're looking at anti semitism and racism [00:39:00] and all the stuff going on with the Middle East and what are what our stimulus is right now with the mainstream media and everything else really, if you look at, if you look at a news show right now, it's six negative stories for every positive story.

Okay. 10, 10 negative stories, very positive. So that's like always external people don't understand that, that there's stuff like you said about your, that you lived through, through your childhood that you needed to release. You need to let that go. And I don't think people understand that it's okay.

I think it's the same thing personally. And I've I've tried to instill this is, you know what? There's times when you feel sad, but people, especially guys, Guys, don't cry, and it's got to be like you need to let yourself feel those feelings if you're scared You can't be scared of being scared, you need to let yourself feel the fear, so you can learn from it, and then be brave.

Because what is bravery? [00:40:00] Bravery is courage in spite of fear. So, we need to allow ourselves to feel it. It's okay to feel it, but let yourself feel it. Because if you let yourself feel it, it'll go. If you're afraid to feel it, it stays with you. And I think that's what you're talking about, taking the darkness and allowing it to release.

Am I getting it right? Am I on the right track?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Right on track.

Brad Minus: Perfect. If you're angry. Let the angry out now. I just think that there's creative ways of going about it, and that's I think where some people are they're stuck at that point. So,

Dr. Lynn Carey: yeah, they don't know how to let go with it.

You can find a good therapist, you can find someone you can talk to, like I did the course, something like that. I know that book is available. Online, I'm sure. Just you have to find that's the thing people need to get in tune with themselves It's important to listen to what resonates with you and I don't know if people are always aware of that Cool.

I'm very right in tune with myself Like I know when i'm supposed to [00:41:00] read a book or not Like I can feel it right away. It jumps out at me like I gotta get that or i'll hear see another one I'm like, no, it's not for me. That's just an example, but i'm pretty in tune because I've followed it for a while now You know, just like it took me to chiropractic school, that, that call.

So when people are, do it with small things. Just are you moved to watch this program or listen to this podcast or video, Like just do it with small things first and see how it feels because the more you listen to that inner voice You're going to be guided to what you need and what's gonna work for you And you know what works for you now may not work for you in a few years you evolve out of it That's okay to learn to let it go to when you need to move on to the next thing So I think there's different tools at different stages in your life, too

Brad Minus: Here's a good question because you had mentioned intuition before, as the follow your intuition, did you find that you're into your intuition was more correct when you're in that bliss state?

Like you were like, [00:42:00] found yourself to be like right on, as far as your intuition goes versus maybe that when you had some darkness and stuff that you needed to release. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yeah, I do know what you mean. I find when I'm in the bliss state things happen faster. It's more of a synchronistic flow thing. There's more motion When I'm in the darkness, I still hear the voice but it may Things just move slower for me, but I do feel like my inner voice Is pretty strong still

Brad Minus: Yeah a quick this has recently happened. A friend of mine was going to take this would go to this retreat in Colorado. And before she left, she was telling me she was like, I have there's something going on. I feel like this might be not the right move. And. And of course, I'm just like, Oh, you're just scared.

You haven't been in there before. You're going to try to go to an experience. You're just [00:43:00] feeling like you're just a little bit, you got cold feet. She goes, I just feel like something's going on. I'm like, no, you're fine. Just go ahead. Knock it out. I was like I was like grab the bull by the horns, all the whole bit, I was trying to just get her to go and she went and it turns out that there was some issues with the staff and the people that were in retreat.

And there was like some, a lot of unethical, I'm just going to call it that, some unethical practices were going on. And she wasn't able to do anything about it. And it was really, it really freaked her out. While she was there, and she goes and she comes back and she's I knew it. She goes, I knew it.

I should just listen to myself. And I was like, I was. Apologetic. I was like, I am sorry. I think yes, you should listen to your intuition. Now the thing was, is prior to the retreat, she was she was cleaning herself out. So she had gotten super clean. She'd gone through a water fast. She was linking, so she was getting into that bliss state at least [00:44:00] externally, right?

So I think that her intuition was like more in a flow state. So she was right versus sometimes people are, they think they confuse fear with intuition when they're not in this bliss state that you're talking about.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Sure, but you know what? It's with practice.

So now She didn't listen she went but that's okay. It's not bad But guess what now she has more gumption to follow her inner voice when it comes up next time So exactly, I mean everything is a learning curve in the sense of that but it's a practice it's like you get to the point where you know that and you don't have to even question.

You don't have to tell anybody. You're like, now I know that I know I don't need to do that. Like you get to that place, but until you get to that place, you're building that muscle. So it's all good.

Brad Minus: Oh, okay. I get it. I get it. It's conscious competence, right? It's you need to practice what you know, [00:45:00] right?

So you can get to unconscious competence where it just happens.

Dr. Lynn Carey: That's right.

Brad Minus: Nice.

Dr. Lynn Carey: I love that term. Yeah.

Brad Minus: It's something that I talked to my cross country kids about, I'm like, Hey, listen, you're just getting started. Oh, blah, you're building your fitness, but there's things that you need to learn.

And when, and there's four states to learning, you have unconscious incompetence, meaning That you don't know what you don't know. Then there's then there's conscious incompetence. Now you know what you don't know and you got to start practicing it. Then there's a state where, so if we're taking, teaching technique, then there's conscious competence.

I can do it right when I think about it. The minute I stop thinking about it, I'll go back to old habits. But the minute that I, but when I think about it, I can be right on the nose with that technique. And then when they get to unconscious competence, now they can do it without thinking about it.

Now, when they run or they're doing this technique or they're in the weight room and they're working on that one move that they've done [00:46:00] thousands of times, and then now they're going to be perfect form because it's unconscious competence, muscle memory. I see where you're going with that.

That makes perfect sense. We have to practice that blissful state.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Can I tell you now it's unconscious competence for me now to look for my bliss. Now I realize if I'm not in a peaceful, and I'm not saying I have to be We got happy, just peaceful, right in my zone, in my door, going about my day. Am I even doing my little to do list easily or am I pushing through?

I can feel the difference. And my normal is to be in a happy state to find my next thing. And when I'm not, I check, I'm able to check in real quick before I have to get down, down into the like symptomatic. Got sick, stressed out, everything's going wrong. I don't go, I don't have to go that extreme anymore for me to pay attention.

So it's if you just pay attention to just when you feel off in the moment, you can realign yourself where you can, you know what you have to do to get back on track, even if [00:47:00] it's just to rest in the moment, to give yourself a breather, then things become more clear and you even become more productive because you got centered first.

So that's that moment to moment. That should be our normal state of being.

Brad Minus: What's your go to? You start to feel a little off. What is what does Dr. Lynn Carey do right? Oh immediately when you start to feel off.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Mine is definitely just stop. I stop when I can or take the breather. I might not be able to do it always in the moment if I'm in the middle of something, but as soon as I know I need to, when I'm done this task or whatever I'm doing, I need to stop.

I need to just regroup and I can just be for a little bit. And then usually I can recenter myself. Just whether I. Relax for the night or if I sit and have a cup of coffee and just chill for a little bit, it's usually I have to just stop because I'm wired to do, to get things done and to, I have to be held accountable.

These people who have to be held accountable, that cracks me up. I'm [00:48:00] like, I don't know how to rest until I get everything done. So for me, I've learned to stop before I get everything done and check in with myself. And then I'll continue. So that's usually my practice, but it's usually just stop.

Stopping and resting. See, I was not, that wasn't allowed when I was growing up. You know what I mean? That wasn't really looked high upon. It was getting things done was where I got the praise. So I had to learn to make it. I praise myself now. Okay. You look, you're taking it, you're taking it easier on yourself right now.

Good for you.

Brad Minus: Makes sense. Yeah. And everybody could have something different. My thing is that I think that we're looking for all this external right now to find that bliss and you know Obviously social media right you put out a post now you're going back every you know The kids at least they go back and they're like, oh wait who liked it who wrote comments who did this?

Who did that and when every like [00:49:00] they get a little dopamine hit Oh, that's bliss. It's not, it's not a steady state of you just being peaceful in yourself. It's a dopamine hit, that's what social media has come to right now. People don't even realize that, it's, some people get their anger out and they get a shot of dopamine when some, when somebody comments replies to them to say they agree.

Now they get a dopamine hit. Oh, that's bliss. No, it's not.

Dr. Lynn Carey: I have questions. I remember the last year in chiropractic school, I had found purpose with chiropractic, which also was an awakening for me. I'm like, Oh, at least I like what I do. I really believe in this. Look how it changed my life.

I want to change other people's lives. That was a big high for me, but I was very stressed out with the schoolwork and taking the state boards and the national boards and all this stuff. And I thought, okay, so I am a chiropractor. When will I be happy? What is happiness? I really started questioning.

What is happiness? And it wasn't until about three years later until I [00:50:00] went into that bliss state where I'm like, Oh, this is what everybody's looking for. So you can't be hard on yourself. You just ask the question, then do what comes up until you have it. You can't force the awakening. I can't make you have that feeling.

It has to come on organically within you. Yeah. But if you are open to just asking the question, I believe you're shown what happiness is like that peace, you're peaceful You're not searching for the outside It's the inside and then you can create your heaven on earth because it's coming organically.

There's different. That's a difference, right? Like we have this keep it up with the joneses. We got to get the right job the marriage the house They're all external They're it's not that they're bad But if they're coming from a place of i'm going to be happy then when I get them Versus let me find happiness and now that i'm happy.

Let me create my life I think it's two different orientations, but it's just about starting [00:51:00] to ask those questions. What does have true happiness look like? for myself

Brad Minus: That is a great question. And even I can't answer that. I don't think I can still answer that. I'm I'm a couple of years older than you.

 I can't, I still can't answer that question. What is true happiness look like? But I'm willing to search, and find it. And I think that's the whole thing is allowing yourself to try new things and find out where the, and find out where that happiness is. And that's absolutely, yeah.

And it might even come from things that you're not quite attracted to. Like I'm not attracted to breath work and I've never tried it, but maybe if I did try it, maybe it would open up something that would allow me to find, alright, what does my true happiness look like? And I guess, yeah, I just came off of a I just came off of a two week Mediterranean cruise.

Nice.

Yeah, I just got back last Sunday and. I was not thinking, I totally, Oh, [00:52:00] you, of course, electronics, wifi sucks on a frigging boat and then the whole bit. So you're forced to detox to digital detox. You can't do anything. And so it's like you got to travel and I've got so many pictures of landscape pictures of water and castles and stuff.

And you know what, that's, if I think about it, that's where I was always smiling. I was always like, I was just in the moment taking in these views of this blue water with these wonderful, this wonderful architecture that I've never seen before, except in pictures. And here I am in the same place.

I, I did the old frigging, I did the old picture with me, put my hand here and holding up the the leaning tower of Pisa. I did that whole thing and that was fun. That was a blast. Now that I think about it. I think that's probably, that's a stepping in the right direction.

Cause I'd never done that before, but we were on this. Yeah, it was amazing trip. I suggest anybody gets a chance to do these Mediterranean. We were in like. We're in like nine different ports [00:53:00] and it was really incredible. But I can see that now that I think about it, when I'm not thinking, didn't think about work, didn't think about money, didn't think about what was going on at home, didn't think about, when I was just in the moment, just enjoying what was around me and not thinking about anything else.

Dr. Lynn Carey: Can I give you a good, this is what came to me when you were saying this, cause that cruise sounds fantastic. It sounds amazing. And I'll not to belittle that at all, but I'm saying you can take that. You've just taken those landscape pictures, right? Blissed out like in the moment and do it just around your neighborhood.

And start to look at things around your neighborhood. Not that you're not going to think about your daily and your money and the job and all this stuff. You're going to think about that, but there's going to be moments where you can just take five minutes. And so let me look at that. I ever noticed those flowers that I ever, cause that happens to me naturally now.

Brad Minus: Oh, really?

Dr. Lynn Carey: Yes. And I'm like, it's there. It's there all the time. [00:54:00] That grace is there. It doesn't have to be hard. It's just taking those five minutes and saying, let me appreciate what's in my, I didn't. I took that for granted all the time. Look at those beautiful flowers or look at that little animal that's in the yard or something that, and just be there for a second, that's it.

That's the same state you were in and in that Mediterranean cruise.

Brad Minus: I, you know what? I am going to do that. I am definitely going to, I think that's a great idea. I'm gonna take your advice on that doc. Just getting back. So what's, so you said, so you opened up your practice in 2001, did you say

Dr. Lynn Carey: 1998?

Brad Minus: 1998. You opened up your practice. So, so 10, 2008, so to 2018 no, not 2018,

Dr. Lynn Carey: 2016,

Brad Minus: 2016. Did you close it? Did you sell it? Did you,

Dr. Lynn Carey: yep. And I moved to Miami because that was my dream,

Brad Minus: [00:55:00] Miami

Dr. Lynn Carey: and build my network marketing business. With Arbonne, that's was my dream because I loved, I was building it anyway on the side, but my passion was, I thought that this is a vehicle where people could really work on healthy habits, mindset, and finance.

Oh no. Okay. And I just was building my network marketing business. I just loved the vehicle of, I knew it was a vehicle where people could do the inner work to create healthy habits, mindset, and financial freedom to really create their desired life. It was just a great blueprint. And then you can branch off from there and build whatever you want in life.

And that, so that's what I've been focused on. Yeah,

I saw that. So I think we're

Eric.

Brad Minus: Okay, well, that's fine. I we can just pick up where we left. Okay. Yeah. So you say you moved to [00:56:00] Miami?

Dr. Lynn Carey: You know what? It's

 But the same thing, it's just like chiropractic. You could have two different experiences with two different chiropractors. And I feel like that with any profession, and that's what happens with the network marketing profession. I feel like you have to find your people, your company. It's the same thing.

What kind of, you got to search it out.

Cause there's good and bad in every profession.

Brad Minus: I've heard both sides of the story. As far as network marketing goes, I've got a PFL, it's a scam. And then some people made a lot of money from it. Well, What's his name? Buffett. He, he said, Warren Buffett said, if you ever had to do it again, he'd go back and do it.

He'd build a market a network marketing business. He said, it just

Dr. Lynn Carey: wrote it in 2020.

Brad Minus: Robert. I'm writing a book. But when everything that was happening, it's residual and really upset me, but that's not

Dr. Lynn Carey: like what was happening. I knew it wasn't right. I knew it wasn't about health. It was about losing our freedom.

So I thought, there's so much fear mongering going on right now that if I could share my inspirational story of how we [00:57:00] heal. I thought maybe the world needs to hear a positive inspirational story more than ever. I just wasn't finished writing my story. I was still building the financial freedom part of myself on that side.

And I thought maybe I would Do a book later,

Brad Minus: you wrote, I had My Journey to Grace stuff, so down from, I just thought it illusions

Dr. Lynn Carey: time to share, so I just wrote it and I just follow before that and released it. I'm always following things blindly. I just figured out how to self-publish and do it, but I wrote it because of that, that I just felt like it was the time, that 2020 really derailed me, what I was doing and I just thought it's time to speak up and share my story.

Yeah,

 right,

 right. Yeah,

 Yeah, positive

 with it. Right.

Brad Minus: I think that's great. Don't get me wrong. We had a lot of books that came out of 2020 cause people were sitting at home [00:58:00] and some people, I think there was three types of people. People went into a depression, people that got people that just said, well, I'm home and don't have a job or I'm not able to do my job or whatever, so I'm going to get super fit.

And then there's people that wanted to learn something. And be productive, so, yeah, the people that people talk to learn something, write books, in the whole bit. So there's a lot of great stuff that came out of 2020 people that took it as a, not as a, I wouldn't say as positive, but as a but as a time when they can.

 Yeah, a time for them to get something done that they weren't know a lot of times do they don't wallow in it. Which was yeah, it's great is, yeah, that is a big year for me too because I actually was out of work at the same time. I wasn't able, I just finished up a contract, as the pandemic started so I couldn't get another contract.

So, but But yeah, so I was able to, I learned a lot,

Dr. Lynn Carey: I learned more about podcasting and video [00:59:00] editing and stuff, so that's what I learned to do. But you wrote a book! And that book again,

Brad Minus: My Journey to Grace, Shattering Mainstream Illusions and Creating My Desired Life. It's on Amazon by Dr. Lynn Carey, and I'm going to put a link directly to it on the show notes.

She also has a website, creatingmydesiredlife. com, and where you can find more about the book and about her. And we'll also link that in the show notes. And do you, is there a social media that you do tend to use?

Dr. Lynn Carey: To be on more than others.

Great. And

Brad Minus: as far as the Instagram goes, do you mind people sliding into your DMS? And do you pay attention? And

Dr. Lynn Carey: I love talking with you, Brad. Thank you for having me. It was an honor.

Brad Minus: Yeah. Yeah. Legit. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Cause a lot of my audience, I think that, if, Hey, if I have a question about something and just love, people love to slide into the DMS and, and answer, ask a question.

Great. So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, it's Dr. Lynn Carey. My journey to grace [01:00:00] get the book, read it. I'm going to read it. And also if you want to check her out on Instagram and on YouTube at Dr. Lynn Carey, and it sounds like she's got a great following. And so go ahead and check her out and thank you.

Thank you so much. This was very enlightening. This is probably gotta be

Dr. Lynn Carey: one of my favorite episodes ever.

I appreciate it.

Brad Minus: And for the rest of you, Hey, don't forget, hit the make sure that you review on any of the platforms. Go see Dr. Lynn Carey at her YouTube and drop her a like and a follow. And we will see you in the next one.